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Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)
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Gary Nylund
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He wasn't given away, he was traded. And if you don't get why, I suggest you read the other posts ITT.
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Gary Nylund
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What's wasteful and silly, reading what others think?
Gonna be interesting to see how he develops. I thought his potential was high... Certainly better than a 1st/high 2nd. Maybe if we get something for Gustafsson it will make more sense.
Leafblooded
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Trading away decent homegrown talent for what amounts to be a second round pick and the expiring contract of a guy they could've had for free 8 months ago in free agency
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Leafblooded
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Yeah its a pretty straight forward way of looking at it. No mental gymnastics required. I hope it works out, but odds are it does not.Well, that's one way of looking at it.
Sandin is a future PP quarterback but I doubt he will ever be a top pairing guy.
Gary Nylund
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Seems like a pretty fair trade to me and as others have said, Sandin has too many guys in his way to get a true shot here.
Leafblooded
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Unnecessary. Unless Gus and the pick are flipped or packaged for someone better, I still just don't see the point. We shall see tomorrow I guess
kb
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Because his position was blocked for the rest of his RFA contract.
Rielly, McCabe, and Gio are all signed through the end of next season. And they needed someone to fill in for the Muzzin role, and none of Rielly, Gio , or Sandin were a good fit for that role.
They shed cap, got a similar player and a 1st round pick.
Sandin's smaller size and his skating were exposed when under a heavy forecheck. He would lose battles.
And his path to regular playing time was completely blocked, which would kill his value.
Leafblooded
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I get it but Gio is pushing 40 and really doesn't have much gas left. McCabe's ability to perform here is yet to be seen. Gustafsson is a rental and will be gone after this season. The late 1st is nice but not that valuable. It's a very soft deal unless they had plans to flip the assets, which with Erik playing tonight it would appear that they do not.
Stephen
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Sandin was a late first, so we'd just be back to square one if we kept that pick. Not really the worst place to be if you like Knies and Minten.
We are all in. Lose first round and nothing matters. They weren't going to re sign him . So get something. Business move.
The first is possible trade bait.
TMLBlueandWhite
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Sounds a lot like the Giordano trade last year.
Basically amounted to Dermott and 2x2nd for Giordano.
I believe Dermott was Dubas' first ever pick when he acted as interim co-GM for the 2015 draft. Sandin and Durzi were his first two picks as GM. All three were traded for older declining vets on the tail end of their contract. Only Muzzin had a year left on his deal, the other two were free agents.
So much for not trading picks and prospects for past their prime declining rentals.
Muzzin was a 29-year old top-pairing defenseman with term, and we got 4 years out of him before he experienced a random spinal injury.
Giordano was older, but following a very abnormal aging curve, with a Norris win in his late 30s. He was a top-4 defenseman, and he re-signed at a dirt cheap cost for 2 additional years.
Sandin was traded for a 1st round pick.
Dermott was traded for a 3rd round pick.
Literally none of these assets were dealt for "past their prime declining rentals".
kb
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Holy crap, I have never seen more outright lies in every post. Like even if there was a real point to be made, the fact that it can only be supported by lies makes it so cringeworthy, and an easy block.
TMLBlueandWhite
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To replace one of the ones he traded yes.
My point was that they are trading young prospect players and picks for declining and aged vets.
The first three players Dubas drafted all made the NHL.
They all play for different teams now.
Oh, so you just refused to mention the main return in the trade on purpose?
Your description of our returns is misleading, and trading some picks and prospects for effective NHL players is exactly what teams in our position do.
In case you missed it, we're not rebuilding anymore.
If you're counting 2015 with Dermott, then Marner would have been his first pick, so no that's not true.
And if his picks keep making the NHL, that sounds like a good thing.
DarkKnight
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As a pure hockey trade it stinks. There are other factors here, but we traded a still promising young D for a guy who isn’t playing either come playoffs, so it doesn’t help the team this year and we will be statistically lucky to hit on him quality wise with the pick.
Dubas did great work this deadline, except for this deal.
Dubas did great work this deadline, except for this deal.
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thusk
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Dudas traded for a guy who fill a huge hole in their top 4 next 3 by playing shutdown role leafs really needed. They get a guy who will play over 20 min for a 1st and a 2nd
and traded away a guy who would never be anything else in toronto than a 6th D playing 15 min/game and kind of player and find sooner this season timmins for absolutly nothing... im not sure how much better we should consider sandin over timmins. Sandin dont bring anything to the game than timmins cant... So if tou taking both sandin/timmins deal together, its like dubas was getting a 1st pick for douglas.
TMLBlueandWhite
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@thusk
I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
Dermott was swapped for Giordano. An upgrade at 3LHD. For the price of 2x2nd.
Durzi, Grundstrom, and a first were traded out for Muzzin.
And Sandin went for Gustafsson and a first that we still are waiting to see if Dubas trades or not.
In each case all three players were swapped out for an older declining vet. Muzzin was the only one who had term left. He was a rental + 1. The other two were pure rentals on expiring deals.
That's what my point was.
I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
Dermott was swapped for Giordano. An upgrade at 3LHD. For the price of 2x2nd.
Durzi, Grundstrom, and a first were traded out for Muzzin.
And Sandin went for Gustafsson and a first that we still are waiting to see if Dubas trades or not.
In each case all three players were swapped out for an older declining vet. Muzzin was the only one who had term left. He was a rental + 1. The other two were pure rentals on expiring deals.
That's what my point was.
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