Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)

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We pick up more experience on D and get Washington's 1st this year.. What's not to like??
Or not rush to judge?

Let’s see what happens in the next two days and if we use that pick for another piece.
 
They don't trust him to stand up to the likes of Hathaway and Jeannot
I think this is just it. Rasmus has a ton of puck skills, but he struggles to make plays in his own end when he is faced with a heavy forecheck. For someone who is typically so composed with the puck, he really got caught making game altering mistakes far too often behind his own net. As much skill as we saw on some of his breakouts, there was a larger then desired element of risk to some of his zone exits. Even if he were to succeed on his exits at a 90% rate, that 10% where he failed left us defending a very high danger chance. He is not a high and hard off the glass defensmen, and that is ultimately what we need in a bottom pair defensmen. The risk sometimes outweighed the reward with Rasmus.

I have said it many times on this forum, but I don't think there is a better example of this then Game 5 against the Canadiens in 2020-21. Most people look at that game as the "Galchenyuk f***up Game". Which to a degree is accurate. But Galchenyuk was only to blame for the 1 goal against in OT. Rasmus had 2 very easy chip off the glass and out plays where he turned the puck over, and eventually picked the puck out of the back of our net. Those are series defining plays.



We need guys who simplify their game in the playoffs, and know when to make a play and more importantly when not to make a play. Rasmus has always struggled with that. I genuinely think he will eventually get it, but we cannot afford to let him learn on the job anymore, and we also cannot allow a talent like his to rot in the press box. The likes of McCabe and Schenn are both better suited to play that playoff brand. Maybe even Gustafson TBH.
 
I think this is just it. Rasmus has a ton of puck skills, but he struggles to make plays in his own end when he is faced with a heavy forecheck. For someone who is typically so composed with the puck, he really got caught making game altering mistakes far too often behind his own net. As much skill as we saw on some of his breakouts, there was a larger then desired element of risk to some of his zone exits. Even if he were to succeed on his exits at a 90% rate, that 10% where he failed left us defending a very high danger chance. He is not a high and hard off the glass defensmen, and that is ultimately what we need in a bottom pair defensmen. The risk sometimes outweighed the reward with Rasmus.

I have said it many times on this forum, but I don't think there is a better example of this then Game 5 against the Canadiens in 2020-21. Most people look at that game as the "Galchenyuk f***up Game". Which to a degree is accurate. But Galchenyuk was only to blame for the 1 goal against in OT. Rasmus had 2 very easy chip off the glass and out plays where he turned the puck over, and eventually picked the puck out of the back of our net. Those are series defining plays.



We need guys who simplify their game in the playoffs, and know when to make a play and more importantly when not to make a play. Rasmus has always struggled with that. I genuinely think he will eventually get it, but we cannot afford to let him learn on the job anymore, and we also cannot allow a talent like his to rot in the press box. The likes of McCabe and Schenn are both better suited to play that playoff brand. Maybe even Gustafson TBH.


It was evident in the last game against Boston as well. Sandin took a hit along the boards during a cycle play and the resulting turnover lead to a goal.
 
Kick me if you'd like but I didn't want to see the Sandin/Lilly pairing come p!ayoffs.

Honestly wasn’t that excited to have Sandin in the organization. He’s an odd puzzle piece and the mix was wrong. If we keep the first rounder I like that it gives us flexibility for the future and we can roll the dice again.
 
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It was evident in the last game against Boston as well. Sandin took a hit along the boards during a cycle play and the resulting turnover lead to a goal.

Sandin is vulnerable as a point man in the offensive zone and also from the hashmarks down in his own zone. His skating limits his ceiling. I don’t think he has the Adam Fox 0.1% separation so I really don’t mind moving on. He’ll be an NHL defenseman but not a special player.
 
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Do you think Holl Kerfoot, Engvall is getting you a first rounder?
I'd heard and quite possibly it was in this thread, that they will be flipped individually for "mid round picks" not sure what it means but it could possibly add up to 3 full mid round picks, which I'm going to say is good?:sarcasm:

This is a weird trade because you would assume, the Leafs would want to maybe bring in an equivalent forward if you are moving a young D like Sandin. At least from where I'm sitting.. or at least try and get Jensen from the Caps?

My gut tells me they will both be shipped - for sure that 1st rounder. They could keep Gustafsson if they feel they absolutely need a PP specialist as an extra. He does bring an element there.
Sandin made a lot of mistakes this year and not just on the ice. The hold-out annoyed the mgmnt and the apparent reason for the hold out possibly annoyed his team-mates. For someone so high on his own worth just seems get hurt a little too often and so is unavailable just a little too much.

I'd heard that he tends to sulk a little too much or as it was put the old "questions about his character!" statement. A team going into the playoffs or indeed just getting through a long grueling season doesn't need the whiff of negativity anywhere in the dressing room. Those of you who have played a little may understand how even a little whining can can magnify small annoyances and throw people off their games.

So are we flipping Gustafsson? We don't really know the situation but I'm sure Sandin has been wanting more of an opportunity in the top 4 and his contract hold out, potentially being an issue
On next contract too.
He might have wanted to be traded for a while
Yes he has wanted more but has done nothing to earn it, he doesn't seem to want to play through any kind of hurt, he hasn't figured out any strategies to take bigger guys out of the play, I will say though, he does occasionally line guys up and neutralize them, so he does have the ability, but he just doesn't seem to want to apply it often enough. He is not producing to the teams expectations offensively, couple that with the defensive deficiencies and you have a recipe for that ticket out of town. The addition of Timmins and his offensive upside while on a cheaper contract and his real enthusiasm for being a Leaf didn't help Sandin at all. They also have Niemela who seems to be kind of the same thing and who'll be under team control for at least the next 6 years.
 
He might be. We have 3 extra Dmen and no extra forwards right now. But he could also be insurance against Rielly getting hurt during our playoff run leaving us without a dman to run the PP.
The 5 forward set up struggled during the regular season, it would be a disaster in the playoffs.

Yup, when was the last time you saw the Leafs carrying 9 defencemen? We are at our 23 player limit, will be interesting to see if we have forwards playing poorly, how does Keefe manage that, he can't scratch them and ice 12 forwards, he can only bench them and give the minutes to other players, which I'm not sure you want to do going into the playoffs.
 
Dubas has made some great moves, I’ve applauded his work, this one is easily my least favourite.
I'm a little surprised by your reaction here, I thought the return was pretty darn good for a guy who probably was going to be the7/8.

Gustaffson gives the Leafs a dependable PPQB to back up Morgan and a guy who's better defensively than Sandin, plus the extra added bonus of 600k in cap savings(which tbh I didn't know about). I really saw this as a big win!

Good job, wow

We pick up more experience on D and get Washington's 1st this year.. What's not to like??
Bostons 1st
 
Yup, when was the last time you saw the Leafs carrying 9 defencemen? We are at our 23 player limit, will be interesting to see if we have forwards playing poorly, how does Keefe manage that, he can't scratch them and ice 12 forwards, he can only bench them and give the minutes to other players, which I'm not sure you want to do going into the playoffs.
Well the playoffs are a bit different. The 23 man roster and the salary cap don’t really matter in the playoffs. Rosters definitely expand in the playoffs, a quick google search says they expand after the deadline which would solve that problem for us but I’m not sure on that rule so someone with a better understanding of the CBA may add some clarity here.

If it’s true rosters expand after the deadline we could call someone like McMan up Saturday to serve as the 13th forward until Knies signs the last couple weeks of the season. Then call him back up in the playoffs when there isn’t a cap anymore.
 
Well the playoffs are a bit different. The 23 man roster and the salary cap don’t really matter in the playoffs. Rosters definitely expand in the playoffs, a quick google search says they expand after the deadline which would solve that problem for us but I’m not sure on that rule so someone with a better understanding of the CBA may add some clarity here.

If it’s true rosters expand after the deadline we could call someone like McMan up Saturday to serve as the 13th forward until Knies signs the last couple weeks of the season. Then call him back up in the playoffs when there isn’t a cap anymore.
Roster expands but there's still a Cap and we don't have enough space to call up a forward.

For the playoffs it doesn't matter but hard to imagine running 12F, 9D for the last 22 games of the season.
 
Yup, when was the last time you saw the Leafs carrying 9 defencemen? We are at our 23 player limit, will be interesting to see if we have forwards playing poorly, how does Keefe manage that, he can't scratch them and ice 12 forwards, he can only bench them and give the minutes to other players, which I'm not sure you want to do going into the playoffs.
The the roster limit of 23 is gone after the deadline. They can call up a F after the deadline.

Roster expands but there's still a Cap and we don't have enough space to call up a forward.

For the playoffs it doesn't matter but hard to imagine running 12F, 9D for the last 22 games of the season.
WIth Woll demoted and Murray back off LTIR, the Leafs will have about $850K in cap room.

They can call up a forward easily.
 
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The the roster limit of 23 is gone after the deadline. They can call up a F after the deadline.


WIth Woll demoted and Murray back off LTIR, the Leafs will have about $850K in cap room.

They can call up a forward easily.
Yep, you're right. I was thinking the cap was 81.5 again this year. I believe we'll have approximately 1.1 million in cap space with Murray activated and the current 12 and 9.
 
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