Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)

[Dekes For Days]

In each case all three players were swapped out for an older declining vet. Muzzin was the only one who had term left. He was a rental + 1. The other two were pure rentals on expiring deals.

Again, this is false.
Dermott was traded for a 3rd round pick. He was not part of the Giordano/Blackwell trade.
Sandin was traded for a 1st round pick and a 30-year old having a career year (not declining).
Muzzin was also not declining. He was a top pairing defenseman and had many great years here.
Muzzin and Giordano weren't rentals. One was re-signed and the other had term remaining and then was re-signed.
The only actual rentals that were part of these trades were Blackwell and potentially Gustafsson, and both weren't the main parts of their deal (and one could still be moved for futures).
Not sure why you find it weird for a top team in the league to spend futures on more currently beneficial players.

 

[kb]

Again, this is false.
Dermott was traded for a 3rd round pick. He was not part of the Giordano/Blackwell trade.
Sandin was traded for a 1st round pick and a 30-year old having a career year (not declining).
Muzzin was also not declining. He was a top pairing defenseman and had many great years here.
Muzzin and Giordano weren't rentals. One was re-signed and the other had term remaining and then was re-signed.
The only actual rentals that were part of these trades were Blackwell and potentially Gustafsson, and both weren't the main parts of their deal (and one could still be moved for futures).
Not sure why you find it weird for a top team in the league to spend futures on more currently beneficial players.

Because apparently it's more important to have draft picks than it is to make moves to win a Cup.

When I skim those posts, I suddenly feel the urge to call up Steve Simmons and Howard Berger and apologize for saying they lie and have the worst Leaf takes....they have more than met their match, they have been soundly trounced

 

[Leafblooded]

Sounds a lot like the Giordano trade last year.

Basically amounted to Dermott and 2x2nd for Giordano.

I believe Dermott was Dubas' first ever pick when he acted as interim co-GM for the 2015 draft. Sandin and Durzi were his first two picks as GM. All three were traded for older declining vets on the tail end of their contract. Only Muzzin had a year left on his deal, the other two were free agents.

So much for not trading picks and prospects for past their prime declining rentals.

Now where have we seen this movie before? I hope it's different this time but not going to hold my breath.

 

[Stephen]

Sounds like Tampa is in on puck moving Klingberg and trying to make it work with complicated contracts and little wiggle room and assets to give Anaheim. I wonder if this deal was to take a very cheap and fairly productive defenseman away from Tampa?

 

[kb]

Sounds like Tampa is in on puck moving Klingberg and trying to make it work with complicated contracts and little wiggle room and assets to give Anaheim. I wonder if this deal was to take a very cheap and fairly productive defenseman away from Tampa?

Dubas took Tampa's lone affordable and available puck moving option. LOLOL

Sweeeeeet

 

[Stephen]

Dubas took Tampa's lone affordable and available puck moving option. LOLOL

Sweeeeeet

I mean, I don’t see the best fit with Gustafsson on Toronto unless it’s injury contingency.

But you can see how Tampa and Boston have also added guys like Bertuzzi, Orlov, Jeannot who could have been a boost to Toronto. In some cases I would say they don’t need those players at all other than to keep them away from the Leafs.

So I don’t put it beyond reason that there’s some gamesmanship going on.

 

[Machinae]

I mean, I don’t see the best fit with Gustafsson on Toronto unless it’s injury contingency.

But you can see how Tampa and Boston have also added guys like Bertuzzi, Orlov, Jeannot who could have been a boost to Toronto. In some cases I would say they don’t need those players at all other than to keep them away from the Leafs.

So I don’t put it beyond reason that there’s some gamesmanship going on.

There's no way Tampa wasnt bidding against someone for Jeannot.. and the Leafs don't let things leak.

Schenn and Gustafsson also would've been good fits for Tampa especially Schenn to replace Cal Foote.. but on Toronto they are merely depth.

 

[Gabriel426]

There's no way Tampa wasnt bidding against someone for Jeannot.. and the Leafs don't let things leak.

Schenn and Gustafsson also would've been good fits for Tampa especially Schenn to replace Cal Foote.. but on Toronto they are merely depth.

Maybe TB was bidding against us but all along we just wanted to drive up the price, lol

 

[Stephen]

There's no way Tampa wasnt bidding against someone for Jeannot.. and the Leafs don't let things leak.

Schenn and Gustafsson also would've been good fits for Tampa especially Schenn to replace Cal Foote.. but on Toronto they are merely depth.

Interesting that Schenn was interested in coming back to Toronto as opposed to Tampa. Seems like he was motivated to make it back here and make good.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Why though

 

[jaric1862]

My only Nitpick was then choosing Gustafsson over another forward. I digress though

 

[crump]

Dubas took all the players off the table. Licked his hand and touched their heads. Mine mine mine.

 

[Thornbury]

Sandin was a late first, so we'd just be back to square one if we kept that pick. Not really the worst place to be if you like Knies and Minten.

And I like the fact that we will have a first round pick this year. Yes, I want to see the team finally thrive in the post season. Bit I also like heading into the draft with a pick that will keep fans interested and hopeful. That's part of the fun.

 

[hotpaws]

wrong thread

 

[darrylsittler27]

Nevermind Tor, Tb paid huge for Jeanott. Boston added toughness for very little. You can't win them all in trades and Dubas didn't overpay. McCabe great, upgraded our def instantly.

 

[justashadowof]

I don't see the fit for Gustafsson with this team. I guess he's left side depth but he isn't ideal left side depth. I'm playing at least 4 LHD ahead of him (Rielly, Brodie, McCabe and Giordano) ahead of him. I guess if Rielly were to go down they would want an offensive type for the PP but I'd think they just go with Liljegren or McCabe(?) first anyways.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Soft motivation for the leafs to beat the bruins in round two so they end up with a better pick then theirs that they traded away

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

It makes sense now.

People are grumpy Sandin held out so they're forcing themselves to think Sandin sucks and had no trade value because they have to live up to their message board character they built.


Give Sandin to our rivals to trade and they'll bring back actual good players


Or KEEP him because he's GOOD and YOUNG.

 

[Leaf Fans]

It makes sense now.

People are grumpy Sandin held out so they're forcing themselves to think Sandin sucks and had no trade value because they have to live up to their message board character they built.


Give Sandin to our rivals to trade and they'll bring back actual good players


Or KEEP him because he's GOOD and YOUNG.

No, most people think that Sandin is a promising young defenseman. Who hasn't lived up to the expectations the team had for him, but still could.

 

[DarkKnight]

The thing is Gus isn’t an upgrade, he was sheltered and can’t be trusted in our end, so what’s the point? We traded a still valuable young D for guy who isn’t playing either and a lower probability this pick amounts to a Sandin. It’s such a bad deal, I can only think Sandin’s camp made it quite clear a trade demand would be made in the off season if he was going to sit. Even there though, okay move him in the summer, what did this trade do to improve us this playoff run? Absolutely nothing, Gus is no answer come May.

It’s a strange deal.

 

[thusk]

@thusk

I'm not sure what you are getting at here.

Dermott was swapped for Giordano. An upgrade at 3LHD. For the price of 2x2nd.

Durzi, Grundstrom, and a first were traded out for Muzzin.

And Sandin went for Gustafsson and a first that we still are waiting to see if Dubas trades or not.

In each case all three players were swapped out for an older declining vet. Muzzin was the only one who had term left. He was a rental + 1. The other two were pure rentals on expiring deals.

That's what my point was.

Dermott was leafs 9th and and leafs trade for gio because like kane because they knew he want to be in toronto and was a HUGE upgrade in case of a Muzzin injury come playoff. Was not really a rental for leafs because thew knew he want to finish his carreer in toronto

Mccabe is a huge upgrade to sandin for what leafs needed. He can play top 4 against top opposite line, something sandin was unable. The move is not sandin for gustafsson in reality but mccabe+lafferty+gustafson vs sandin and a 2nd because sandin trade is a result of mccabe trade... and mccabe is not a rental, hes a solid top 4 than leafs will pay just 2 M next 2 1/2

If you adding every trade since beggining of season its mccabe+lafferty +gustafsson +Timmins vs sandin and a 2nd. And like i said for me Timmins = Sandin because i dont see anything sandin bringing than Timmins was unable. So at the end its like Dubas get Mccabe at 2M, laffertyand Gustafsson for a single 2nd pick... its a master work dubas did

Muzzin when they traded for in was a HUGE need... leafs is not a team who want to win in 5-6 year but right now. Its like edmonton right now who didnt have any to choice to move for ekholm and pay the price for it...

 

[crump]

This is the one trade that sort of came out of left field for me. Not saying it’s good or bad yet, but just unanticipated. We can theorize the reasons behind the scenes all we want, but now that the deadline has passed, we know what we have.

What made Dubas target Gustafsson? Was he thinking the 1st and Erik would be flipped but that trade didn’t work? Probably won’t know for years.

For now the official line will be he is here for depth in case of injury. I expect him to get serious minutes down the stretch here, rotating in with Holl, Schenn, Timmins. Liljegren will probably get some time off too, although by rights, they should let all the D get some rest. It’s important to build chemistry for McCabe , but we need to see how these other guys perform before the playoffs.

Fun fact. Gustafsson has the most single season playoff experience of any of our D. Schenn has 2 rings, but was more a depth player, while Gustafsson took regular shifts with the Habs on their March to the finals on the back of Price.

He has the third most post season games after Rielly and Brodie.

 

[Maple Leaf]

In the offseason
I will look back
And wonder
What has he done

 

[The Podium]

Mirtle mentioned on his podcast that he was asking about Sandin’s value across the league prior to the trade and scouts/execs were saying he likely isn’t moved because he only holds the value of a 2nd or 3rd.

He also mentioned that Dubas had a choice, a (unspecified) pick or Gustafsson, Dubas chose Gustafsson as a Reilly replacement in case of injury.

 

[Machinae]

2023 is anticipated to be a very strong draft year, you'd think HFBoards posters would be happy about that at least.

Also, since when is a playoff teams 7th defenseman worth a 1st? Leafs could easily have been locked out of getting any value for Sandin if they waited.