Confirmed with Link: Sandin to Washington for Erik Gustafsson and 1st (BOS)
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Uneasy is the word, this is where I'm at. Sandin was on borrowed time after that Rielly extension was handed out. I'm no GM but I would've moved Sandin in more of a conventional "hockey trade" and looked to bring in another forward.
DarkKnight
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He’s better defensively than the guy we got in the trade. So….
Malachi Crunch
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Gus has been okay in the 2 games he has played for us. However, he has fumbled the puck "holding the line" 3 times already. I'm not sure if this is nerves or bad luck or a weakness. Was this common in Washington?
Rob Brown
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This was the one trade I really didn't like. I think Dubas will regret this one but we'll see.
Ovechkins Wodka
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I dont remember him having the yipes catching passes. Hes just not a very good player and maybe thats showing in more important games.
He’s best in the offensive zone when he’s able to cycle, skate down low, and pass. He’s kind of got a muffin of a slap shot and his strength is his movement and lateral mobility so if he’s stationary at the point he’s not going to be as effective.
Get him in motion in the offensive zone where he can read the play and move around and he’ll be good. Ask him to just man the blue line and you’ll likely be disappointed.
Supposedly that is qhat they said on TSN.
Obviously he is not a top pairing dman.
Ask Nylander ?
ULF_55
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I don't ever see him as a top pairing defender, but the good thing is there are only 32 top pairings and 64 pairings below that ...
He'll never be fleet of foot, but he'll get better as he gains experience, although some Leafs defenders might have missed the "get better with experience" part by relying on skating alone.
Racer88
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Maybe in time, but our PP was notably less effective when Mo was out
Not entirely true. Some people did turn on him, you’re right there. But a fair contract was exactly what he signed for. He’d done nothing yet to justify the deal he was allegedly asking for. There were also reports out there that he wanted to be garaunteed a roster spot, but who know how valid that was.
As for foot speed, I thought in his role it wasn’t usually much of an issue. But I do think it could hold him back from reaching the potential many people initially thought he may
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Jimmy Firecracker
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Wondering why we couldn’t have turned Sandin into a similarly aged scoring forward instead of Gus and a 1st. A pure hockey trade would’ve been better here.
TheDoldrums
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Agreed. IMO Sandins biggest weakness is handling a forecheck so I understand why the organization didn't see him in their playoff plans. But this return does nothing to help this years team so I don't like it. I really thought the pick was being flipped.
usernamezrhardtodo
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I hope he works out for you guys...but wait till you see someone deflect a puck when he is on the PP point and it starts going the wrong way. You will remember what everyone said about foot speed. He is literally slower than Luke Schenn...which is almost impossible to believe...yet it's true.
Stephen
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Well, the thing is we have the Boston first round pick from this trade. The chip wasn't used at the deadline but it's real currency at the draft, and franky we could use another Knies, Minten level prospect if they choose to pick a player.
The trade essentially becomes partially Sandin for ROR and Gustafsson with a slight trade down since it covers the first we gave up.
Nobody was saying Sandin would be a crap defenseman, and that we gave him up for little value.... Not true. We got a pretty fair trade for him.
Don't know how this narrative gets thrown around..
The fact is this. He wasn't willing to be patient with this team, and he wasn't going to be the guy to run our defense with Rielly, Gio and now McCabe on the left. (He sucks on the right)
We tried Sandin for stretches in that role and he would do well but would never be consistent enough to take the wheel from those guys. He's a PP guy... He's selectively physical, which means he's not a strong type of Dman that can clear the front of the net or win battles in the corner. He would throw the occasional hit but isn't the type of player to drop the gloves and answer the bell if he has to like Gio, McCabe. (Don't bring up that time he defended Matthews, it was great that he approached the player but he didn't want that fight and had no choice after the other player dropped the gloves before him, watch the video)
We've tried him in the playoffs and when the intensity got high that's when his weakness began to show and he would try to do too much offensively and it costed us.
He's the exact type of Dman you want on your team that would be great with slow growth and sheltered minutes before he reaches his potential (exactly like liljegren progressed). He was ruffling feathers with management before the season and was demanding too much for what he had to show for.. and DUBAS did right by his players and found him a spot where he might shine and got back a valued return!
We got a 1st and a PP Dman that we could use selectively in certain situations.
Our scouts found Sandin late in the 1st round and management developed him. We got another late 1st for him so who's to say we can't do it again?.
The trade was needed to make room for a shot at a better playoff team... It's funny how people are freaking out over how he would be better in our line up when we've literally tried almost every avenue with him, he's had some success but never found consistentsy with our group.
He's got 3a on his first game. Great. Timmins once got 4a after we picked him up off Arizona... And he's our 8th Dman. You guys need to relax.
Don't know how this narrative gets thrown around..
The fact is this. He wasn't willing to be patient with this team, and he wasn't going to be the guy to run our defense with Rielly, Gio and now McCabe on the left. (He sucks on the right)
We tried Sandin for stretches in that role and he would do well but would never be consistent enough to take the wheel from those guys. He's a PP guy... He's selectively physical, which means he's not a strong type of Dman that can clear the front of the net or win battles in the corner. He would throw the occasional hit but isn't the type of player to drop the gloves and answer the bell if he has to like Gio, McCabe. (Don't bring up that time he defended Matthews, it was great that he approached the player but he didn't want that fight and had no choice after the other player dropped the gloves before him, watch the video)
We've tried him in the playoffs and when the intensity got high that's when his weakness began to show and he would try to do too much offensively and it costed us.
He's the exact type of Dman you want on your team that would be great with slow growth and sheltered minutes before he reaches his potential (exactly like liljegren progressed). He was ruffling feathers with management before the season and was demanding too much for what he had to show for.. and DUBAS did right by his players and found him a spot where he might shine and got back a valued return!
We got a 1st and a PP Dman that we could use selectively in certain situations.
Our scouts found Sandin late in the 1st round and management developed him. We got another late 1st for him so who's to say we can't do it again?.
The trade was needed to make room for a shot at a better playoff team... It's funny how people are freaking out over how he would be better in our line up when we've literally tried almost every avenue with him, he's had some success but never found consistentsy with our group.
He's got 3a on his first game. Great. Timmins once got 4a after we picked him up off Arizona... And he's our 8th Dman. You guys need to relax.
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Stephen
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I thought Sandin came across as a diva regarding his contract negotiations and status on the team in his time with the Maple Leafs and was time to move on. Just an odd puzzle piece on the ice and strangely overconfident, non organization friendly persona off the ice.
that's exactly how I feel. sure the 1st round pick is great to have... but how the heck does it help the team now and in the playoffs?
CantLoseWithMatthews
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This trade was just unbelievable. I can't even begin to understand the willingness to dump such a talented young player for such a pointless return. Good for Washington to take advantage, and good for Sandin that he's finally getting a real opportunity
Stephen
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Sandin's a full on NHL defenseman, and a bottom third team like Washington is a good place to catch minutes with Carlson, Orlov and Gustafsson all gone. It's not like he was going to flunk out of the league never to be heard from again.
CantLoseWithMatthews
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I think we're going to see that Sandin can do a lot more than be a passable NHL defenseman, and he should have been doing it with the Leafs. It's not like Rielly and 40 year old Giordano next year are such great assets to build a left side of a defense around. Does a late first round pick really appeal to you that much that they had no choice but to unload him?
Stephen
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Yeah, it's fine. Sandin was a late first and Knies and Minten were solid second rounders and everyone loves them. We also have Topi Niemela as a similar defenseman in the pipeline who will come up in the next couple of years.
I'm not a big Sandin fan. I don't think Sandin is playing 1st or 2nd LD on a team that gets by Tampa and Boston. Think of it as Sandin as part of the ROR deal. The only thing I have regret over is he wasn't packaged to Anaheim for Hampus Lindholm last year.
Look at some of Sandin's flaws. His first 3 strides from a stop are poor. His size is disadvantage in many situations, wall battles, clearing the net front, defending the forecheck etc. A big team playing tough playoff hockey is a recipe for Sandin to get injured or exposed badly on simple cycle not boxing out someone for a rebound etc. I personally do not see much upside in Sandin. I can see him being a 30-40 point guy based on his hockey sense, deception especially.
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