Value of: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to Carolina

[Draiskull]

These are the best kind of posts. It's either so bad or so great because you don't know if he's being serious or just trolling.

check his post history .. he is being serious and uses the term "HSCA" in pretty much every post.

 

[TheOllieC]

Faulk is a bottom 20 HSCA D.
that is non playoff Defence.
Just awful defensive Dman.

he would cancel out PC trading Hall for the best Def d in the game the last 2 years.

Faulk!
he plays lottery D!

I'm pretty sure this the guy who had draft year stats saying Yakimov or Slepyshev >/= to Semin and every other great Russian player from the KHL.

 

[Sweetpotato]

I'm pretty sure this the guy who had draft year stats saying Yakimov or Slepyshev >/= to Semin and every other great Russian player from the KHL.

He's the definition of using stats to prove a point but no other knowledge of what the players like. Some of it is interesting but you have to weed through all the numbers to find it.

 

[oilerbear]

there you have it boys, Adam Larsson (best defensive d in the league) > Faulk, you learn something new every day on these boards.

You are one of those EXPERTS,
who thinks Dmen's offence is critical to winning games.

take the top 27 Even goals scoring D last year.
the 27th scored 6 EVG goals.
they scored a total of 212 EVG


Now take the forwards who scored 6+ EVG
272 fwds
that is a total of 3040 EVG.

of the top 299 EVG scorers
212/3252 6.5% of EVG are from Dmen.

So you may think Dmens offence is important.\

I think!
Pass the forwards the D....... Puck.

When you look at the 2nd WC slot
on avg you need a record of 42W 28L 12 SO/OTL

it takes 1GF to beat 0GF
2 GF to beat 1 GF
etc.

if you special teams break even goal dif wise.
then your forwards need to outscore the EVGA by .30 EVGF/60

Larsson 1.35 EVGA/60 last year
so 1.85+ EVGF/60 forwards are needed.
to have a shot at WC spot.
274 forwards can outscore his defensive play fro a chance at WC

Faulk 2.90 EVGA/60 last year
3.20 EVGF/60 forwards are needed..
last year 9 forwards could out score his defence for a chance at WC

 

[GoldiFox]

You are one of those EXPERTS,
who thinks Dmen's offence is critical to winning games.

take the top 27 Even goals scoring D last year.
the 27th scored 6 EVG goals.
they scored a total of 212 EVG


Now take the forwards who scored 6+ EVG
272 fwds
that is a total of 3040 EVG.

of the top 299 EVG scorers
212/3252 6.5% of EVG are from Dmen.

So you may think Dmens offence is important.\

I think!
Pass the forwards the D....... Puck.

When you look at the 2nd WC slot
on avg you need a record of 42W 28L 12 SO/OTL

it takes 1GF to beat 0GF
2 GF to beat 1 GF
etc.

if you special teams break even goal dif wise.
then your forwards need to outscore the EVGA by .30 EVGF/60

Larsson 1.35 EVGA/60 last year
so 1.85+ EVGF/60 forwards are needed.
to have a shot at WC spot.
274 forwards can outscore his defensive play fro a chance at WC

Faulk 2.90 EVGA/60 last year
3.20 EVGF/60 forwards are needed..
last year 9 forwards could out score his defence for a chance at WC

Well there you have it folks. Clearly Faulk is a terrible defenseman, if you even want a chance to make the wildcard spot with Faulk on your team, you need like... uh... 9 forwards or something... who are really good?

But with Larsson... Oooh boy, let me tell you what... you only need, hmmm, 274 forwards or something to get a wildcard spot.

Since everyone knows 274 > 9... Well there you have it. Its all so clear.

 

[Draiskull]

Well there you have it folks. Clearly Faulk is a terrible defenseman, if you even want a chance to make the wildcard spot with Faulk on your team, you need like... uh... 9 forwards or something... who are really good?

But with Larsson... Oooh boy, let me tell you what... you only need, hmmm, 274 forwards or something to get a wildcard spot.

Since everyone knows 274 > 9... Well there you have it. Its all so clear.

it surely appears so ... keep your garbage Dman

These stats dont seem to factor in the quality of teams especially the goaltenders..
Larsson had a very good defensive D partner and an elite goalie behind him in NJ.. He also didnt have to focus on creating offense and putting up points for his team.


play these EVG+ forwards on a team like the Oilers and they wouldnt really be that great.

Bottom line... Faulk does a lot more for a team than Larsson.

 

[Roof Daddy]

My fellow Oil fans will probably kill me for suggesting this, but I'd do Nuge + Puljujarvi for Faulk. I just think when you factor in contracts, Faulk is one of the more valuable D in the game. He has prior experience/chemistry with Sekera (playing big minutes). Our top 4 would be one of the best in the league, and locked up for the next 4 years at a combined 18.8 million. And we still have Connor, Drai, Looch, and Ebs as legit 1st line talent up front.

 

[RodTheBawd]

RNH+Sekera for Staal+Hanifin

for sure.. Hanifin has franchise potential and would probably already be Oilers' #1Dman as early as next season. This is the main reason why some Oilers fans want him in deals ... When you have elite potential team needs take a side step.

Canes are loaded on the wing but some fans would still be drooling over adding Puljujarvi if it was ever proposed.

Hanifin would not be your #1dman next year, maybe #3. And loaded on the wing? I assume you mean quantity, not quality?

 

[Homesick]

The Oilers won't be gutting their forward core to add Fluery(who was really unimpressive this season IMO)
Klefbom-Sekera-Davidson-Nurse-Reinhart all on the left side with Larsson and Fayne on the right side.
If the Canes want the Oilers only experienced young top 6 centre then the Oilers will be asking the Canes for their only experienced young right handed defenseman. Simple

 

[Draiskull]

Hanifin would not be your #1dman next year, maybe #3. And loaded on the wing? I assume you mean quantity, not quality?

It really wouldnt take much to be top pairing LD on the Oilers. Sekera and a rusty Klefbom would be his competition to play alongside Larsson.

As for CAR and wingers.. You have added Stalberg\Bickell and will have Aho and Teravainen joining the team next season.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If the Canes want the Oilers only experienced young top 6 centre then the Oilers will be asking the Canes for their only experienced young right handed defenseman. Simple

So you want 23 year old Ryan Murphy? Who has 124 games of experience? Young - Check, Experienced - Check, RHD - Check: Deal.

 

[Homesick]

So you want 23 year old Ryan Murphy? Who has 124 games of experience? Young - Check, Experienced - Check, RHD - Check: Deal.

haha nice try. Less than two seasons. I was careful about that

 

[GoldenTicket]

When's the last time a 50pt 2way C (so 2nd line C) was traded for a #1D?

Never.

Oilers fans need to wake up and realize that their player aren't worth what they think (see Hall vs Larsson deal AND the RNH for Jones deal that was rejected in favoir of Johanssen).

The same day that a 1C drafted 1st overall was traded for a prospect D man with middle pairing upside.

 

[Draiskull]

My fellow Oil fans will probably kill me for suggesting this, but I'd do Nuge + Puljujarvi for Faulk. I just think when you factor in contracts, Faulk is one of the more valuable D in the game. He has prior experience/chemistry with Sekera (playing big minutes). Our top 4 would be one of the best in the league, and locked up for the next 4 years at a combined 18.8 million. And we still have Connor, Drai, Looch, and Ebs as legit 1st line talent up front.

yeh no thanks from the Oilers.

Faulk at this point would be a luxury .. Puljujarvi would soon be Oilers 2nd most untouchable player after McD..

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

haha nice try. Less than two seasons. I was careful about that

Well, it's also a stretch to call Murphy a "defenseman" I kid, I kid.

 

[topshelf15]

Makes sense ,Carolina would be great landing spot for a young offensive center ,and they have alot of good young defenders that EDM would likely covet as well

 

[Maukkis]

You are one of those EXPERTS,
who thinks Dmen's offence is critical to winning games.

take the top 27 Even goals scoring D last year.
the 27th scored 6 EVG goals.
they scored a total of 212 EVG


Now take the forwards who scored 6+ EVG
272 fwds
that is a total of 3040 EVG.

of the top 299 EVG scorers
212/3252 6.5% of EVG are from Dmen.

So you may think Dmens offence is important.\

I think!
Pass the forwards the D....... Puck.

When you look at the 2nd WC slot
on avg you need a record of 42W 28L 12 SO/OTL

it takes 1GF to beat 0GF
2 GF to beat 1 GF
etc.

if you special teams break even goal dif wise.
then your forwards need to outscore the EVGA by .30 EVGF/60

Larsson 1.35 EVGA/60 last year
so 1.85+ EVGF/60 forwards are needed.
to have a shot at WC spot.
274 forwards can outscore his defensive play fro a chance at WC

Faulk 2.90 EVGA/60 last year
3.20 EVGF/60 forwards are needed..
last year 9 forwards could out score his defence for a chance at WC

So... if I understood correctly, all of this means... practically nothing, since this does not take teammates into consideration? Am I right?

 

[yababy]

Oilers are going into next season with Pouliot-RNH-Ebs as our top line so we need RNH unless of course Faulk is available. Oilers will definitely add

You're joking, right?
Oilers top line is Lucic/McDavid/Eberle
Second line is
Pouliot/RNH/ Maroon

 

[ManofSteel55]

You are one of those EXPERTS,
who thinks Dmen's offence is critical to winning games.

take the top 27 Even goals scoring D last year.
the 27th scored 6 EVG goals.
they scored a total of 212 EVG


Now take the forwards who scored 6+ EVG
272 fwds
that is a total of 3040 EVG.

of the top 299 EVG scorers
212/3252 6.5% of EVG are from Dmen.

So you may think Dmens offence is important.\

I think!
Pass the forwards the D....... Puck.

When you look at the 2nd WC slot
on avg you need a record of 42W 28L 12 SO/OTL

it takes 1GF to beat 0GF
2 GF to beat 1 GF
etc.

if you special teams break even goal dif wise.
then your forwards need to outscore the EVGA by .30 EVGF/60

Larsson 1.35 EVGA/60 last year
so 1.85+ EVGF/60 forwards are needed.
to have a shot at WC spot.
274 forwards can outscore his defensive play fro a chance at WC

Faulk 2.90 EVGA/60 last year
3.20 EVGF/60 forwards are needed..
last year 9 forwards could out score his defence for a chance at WC

Do you have canned responses saved on your computer so you can just copy and paste? Because I'm sure I've read your "clearly you are one of those EXPERTS"...nonsenese before. And newsflash, a defenseman's offense DOES help a team win games.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You're joking, right?
Oilers top line is Lucic/McDavid/Eberle
Second line is
Pouliot/RNH/ Maroon

We aren't going to be playing Maroon and Pouliot on the same line, they are both left wingers. Either Pulujarvi, Kassian or Yakupov gets that 2nd line RW spot.

The real reason that we need Nuge is that the 3 scoring line system doesn't work if we trade him.

 

[Havoq]

Carolina - Edmonton threads:

 

[go4hockey]

Edmonton would probably want Hanifin or Faulk and I can't say I blame them. RNH is still fairly young and is a solid number one centre on most teams in the league due to his two way play.

Carolina fans will likely balk at those demands and thus the thread is over before it begins.

RNH is a good player but he is not near a #1 center unless it's for a bottom team. To me he don't have the value to land Hanifin and is not even close to landing Faulk

 

[Homesick]

We aren't going to be playing Maroon and Pouliot on the same line, they are both left wingers. Either Pulujarvi, Kassian or Yakupov gets that 2nd line RW spot.

The real reason that we need Nuge is that the 3 scoring line system doesn't work if we trade him.

or Draisaitl?
Lucic-McDavid-Eberle
Pouliot-RNH-Draisaitl
Maroon-Lander-Yakupov
Hendricks-Letestu-Kassian

Unfortunately as much as we'd like Lander to just go away he's still signed and will be given another chance with the Oilers this year. Puljujarvi probably won't be ready(health wise) to start the season so a little AHL time won't hurt

 

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Faulk is a super overpayment for RNH IMO

That's not opinion, that's fact.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That's not opinion, that's fact.

Isn't 99% of everything people post just opinion? Particular when discussing trade value?