Value of: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins to Carolina

[Kalost]

This has been hashed and rehashed a dozen times on here:

1) EDM doesn't want a LHD so Fleury doesn't make sense (although I do find it interesting that EDM fans say they don't want a LHD then ask for Hanifin)

2) RNH isn't a good enough player for the Canes to want to give up Faulk.

3) Canes D is way too young, inexperienced and weak on the RHD to give up Faulk right now.

Rinse and repeat.

i dont want Hanifin, i mean he's good but RHD is all i want..lol

 

[Swedish House]

Faulk = Jones
RNH = Johanssen

a point can be made

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That's fair.

I think the Oilers have done enough that they are happy to go into the season with the defense they have (or are at least telling people that). I'm sure it was extremely difficult for Chiarelli to pull the trigger on a trade in which he knew he was losing badly on absolute value, but other GMs had him over a barrel so his choices were limited. I doubt we'd see a similar type of trade moving forward, so any move will have to be at least closely-valued players. I just don't see that happening with Carolina and RNH.

I think a lot of it really depends on how healthy Klefbom is. Sekera, Larsson, Klefbom make a darn good top 3 IMO. If Davidson can hold his own as the #4, then I agree with you, that there isn't a need to go out and acquire more D.

I personally don't think you got as bad of value on the Hall/Larsson deal as many others do. I think highly of Hall and hate that he's in the Canes division now, but I also think Larsson is coming into his own and in a couple of years, people will be singing a different tune. Particularly given the riches you guys already have on offense.

 

[Kalost]

Not really an Edmonton fan, but the reason they want Hanifin is that he has higher upside than Fleury. He doesn't necessarily fill as large of a void but he's an upgrade for them on the left side regardless.

we have a huge logjam on the leftside we are better off keeping our great center depth

 

[Draiskull]

Not really. Without Staal, Canes have no centers with size, physicality and shutdown ability of Staal. I do agree we could use RNH's scoring ability, but it would leave an already soft/small team even softer and smaller.

Rask, Lindholm and McClement are small?

CAR has 3 middle 6 Cs (2nd\3rd line C) Staal being 1 of them.
RNH is a top 6 C (1st\2nd line C)

Staal would fit nicely behind McDavid and Draisaitl IMO
and
RNH would fit nicely ahead of Rask and Lindholm

 

[Riptide]

Not really. Without Staal, Canes have no centers with size, physicality and shutdown ability of Staal. I do agree we could use RNH's scoring ability, but it would leave an already soft/small team even softer and smaller.

Pittsburgh just won a cup proving that size and toughness is overrated. That said, I'm not sure it makes sense for EDM to make that move. They have Drai and McDavid there already. Moving RNH for Staal probably isn't something I'd be doing if I was them.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Faulk = Jones
RNH = Johanssen

a point can be made

A better point can be made that at the time of the trade, Jones was significantly less proven than Faulk, had never been a #1 D, and was the 3rd best defenseman on his team.

 

[JT Kreider]

Faulk = Jones
RNH = Johanssen

a point can be made

Faulk is better than Jones.

And Johansen is better than RNH. Joey was way closer in value to Hall entering the 2015 season than RNH. And I doubt at the time of that trade Oil fans would've been down for Hall for Jones.

No point made.

RNH for Pesce with a slight add seems about right to me.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Faulk.

Thread over.

Hall returned Larsson. What are you gonna add with RNH for Faulk? 5 next 1st rounders....? Seems like no teams are willing to trade rh defensemen with Edm unless you overpay by alot.

 

[Canovin]

After acquiring Larsson, Oilers don't need a pay premium for defense anymore

 

[DaveG]

Faulk = Jones
RNH = Johanssen

a point can be made

At this point Faulk > Jones, and at the time the trade was made Faulk >> Jones


Faulk's an established #1, Jones just broke out in to a top pairing guy last year after the trade. Before that he was a #5 in Nashville.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Faulk = Jones
RNH = Johanssen

a point can be made

Faulk is better than Jones and alot more proven than Jones is and was at the time of the trade.
Johansen is definetly better than RNH and has a much higher potential.

 

[GoldiFox]

Faulk = Jones
RNH = Johanssen

a point can be made

Except that:

Faulk >> Jones
RNH < Johansen

 

[Draiskull]

Except that:

Faulk >> Jones
RNH < Johansen

offensively sure but defensively Jones is already on par with Faulk if not better. Jones is projected to be an elite all around Dman.

Value wise to a GM they are both about the same when everything is factored in.

 

[Canovin]

Johansen is better than RNH at this point. But do people remember why he was traded? He was Columbus' #1C yet he was still traded.

RNH and Johansen value was about equal at the time of the trade if you factor in everything.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Pittsburgh just won a cup proving that size and toughness is overrated. That said, I'm not sure it makes sense for EDM to make that move. They have Drai and McDavid there already. Moving RNH for Staal probably isn't something I'd be doing if I was them.

There is no one "right" way to build a cup winner. LA did it recently based on a combination of size and skill. Chicago has done it multiple times with a great mix of top end defensemen and forwards and a well balanced lineup. Pittsburgh did it this year on the back of speed and scoring from 3 lines with what most consider an average at best defense core, yet GM's aren't going to sacrifice quality defensemen for speedy forwards because they know that their job is to build the best team with the best chance of winning the cup, and there is no secret formula that actually guarantees a cup win.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

offensively sure but defensively Jones is already on par with Faulk if not better. Jones is projected to be an elite all around Dman.

Value wise to a GM they are both about the same when everything is factored in.

That's debatable but they certainly weren't at the time the trade was made.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Anyhow, I highly, highly doubt the Canes would trade Faulk for RNH (at least this year) and this has been hashed and rehashed a dozen times.

 

[GoldiFox]

Canes have two great 2Cs already in Victor Rask and Jordan Staal. If they are trading for a Center, it will be a clear-cut offensive upgrade. Someone like Duchene.

 

[Draiskull]

Anyhow, I highly, highly doubt the Canes would trade Faulk for RNH (at least this year) and this has been hashed and rehashed a dozen times.

yup nothing but wishful thinking by us Oilers fans.

Oilers should just sign Wisniewski and be done with things.

 

[Draiskull]

Canes have two great 2Cs already in Victor Rask and Jordan Staal. If they are trading for a Center, it will be a clear-cut offensive upgrade. Someone like Duchene.

so what would Canes add to Fleury for Duchene

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Actually getting hanifin wouldn't be a bad move. He is going to be a great defenseman and you don't necessarily need 2 RHD in your top 4. Pitt, LA, TB, Chi, Ana. 3 out of the 4 best D on these teams are left handed. Ideally another RHD to Edmonton would be nice but a top 4 of Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse and Hanifin would be unreal 2 years down the road

 

[TT1]

offensively sure but defensively Jones is already on par with Faulk if not better. Jones is projected to be an elite all around Dman.

Value wise to a GM they are both about the same when everything is factored in.

Yea right, nice joke. Faulk got sub 50% o-zone starts this year and the quality of competition he faced was 10x harder than Jones, HERO charts don't tell you that tho.

When Jones got traded he was playing behind Josi and Weber for his entire career, Faulk on the other hand has been on the frontline. He's been getting tough minutes and he's been producing.

 

[Draiskull]

Actually getting hanifin wouldn't be a bad move. He is going to be a great defenseman and you don't necessarily need 2 RHD in your top 4. Pitt, LA, TB, Chi, Ana. 3 out of the 4 best D on these teams are left handed. Ideally another RHD to Edmonton would be nice but a top 4 of Klefbom, Larsson, Nurse and Hanifin would be unreal 2 years down the road

Oilers also have Sekera with his NMC signed til the end of days.
Factor in Davidson, Reinhart and the expansion draft and adding another unproven LHD isnt really ideal.

 

[Canovin]

RNH+Sekera for Staal+Hanifin