RW Pavel Buchnevich (2013, 75th, NYR)
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Because teams don't like drafting players whose development they don't have control over. If you know a Russian player won't be able to come over for 3 to 4 years you have to trust that the KHL team will develop him. Some teams aren't comfortable with that gamble. Look how quickly teams are bringing over players from other international leagues and putting them in the AHL now (Nylander, Fiala, Ratanen, Vrana, Kapenen, etc), and NHL teams have a much better relationship with Liiga and SHL teams than they do with KHL teams.
Caser
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Being 160 lbs (at that time) Russian with a KHL contract kind of hurts the draft stock... there is a guy called Kirill Kaprizov drafted last year, so that's about that case.
JohnLennon
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How likely is it that he slots into a top 6 role with New York next season, if he does indeed sign an ELC? Love this kid, and excited to see him in NA.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Unlikely. Our top 6 of Brass, Step, Kreids, Zucc, Nash, JTM is pretty solidified. If someone gets traded, with Nash being the most likely candidate, maybe there's a chance for Buch to play in the top 6, but there's also Hayes and one or two others who might move up before Buch does.
He should be on the third line if other factors weren't in play, but where he plays will likely depend on his line mates. If we can get a Russian forward to help Buch out with the NA transition, he'll likely play with that player to start the season, whatever line that player is on. Kind of similar to the Panarin-Anisimov deal.
Then again, AV is so unpredictable with young players. I have no clue what AV will decide to do. He might decide to put him in the top 6 right away or might sit him in the stands. We really just have no clue, but we are hoping that AV stays out of his way, and just lets him play his game.
Is Buchnevich on team Russia? It seems like he didn't play looking at the box score tonight unless I'm mistaken.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Not on the team. Got cut a few weeks ago from the roster. He was also injured, so that might've had something to do with it.
Skinnyjimmy08
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I used to have a problem with skilled rookie kids playing in NHL and not playing top 6 mins, until this past season. Winnipeg played Ehlers the majority of season on the 3rd line and some PP time and he learned the game. By seasons end I found him to be Jets best player some games and he improved a ton and played a lot of #1 line and top PP time
I have no issue what so ever playing Buch in bottom 6 to start his career
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Another example is how Hitchcock dealt with Fabbri in St. Louis. I think he's done a good job easing him into things on a team that doesn't need a young prospect to be their offensive savior.
Ranger fans would be good with something similar for Buch next season, but AV has a questionable track record with young players in recent years. Some play right away and play a lot, like Fast and even Skjei with his usage in the second half of this season, but others like McIlrath sit in the stands all season with Dan Boyle playing terribly all season and Girardi playing through a cracked kneecap when he should've been resting. Other examples are Oscar Lindberg sitting nearly every game towards the end of the season when players like Glass were in the lineup or Marek Hrivik coming up from Hartford and being excellent for a few games, reinvigorating the fourth line only to be sent down a few games later and then the fourth line struggles.
Not to mention he's had no problem publicly calling out younger players like JT Miller and Kevin Hayes in past years, but doesn't really do that with veterans.
Thats just not true. The coach gave preference to NHL players, which is why players like Burmistrov, Kalinin, Plotnikov are on the roster, even though they aren't any better than players like Buch and Gusev. Plus the coach has a few KHL players who play more of a grinding game like Telegin, Lyubimov, Shirokov. They are likely on the roster to fill out the bottom six, and give the team 4 conventional lines instead of just the 12 most skilled forwards.
He was also injured, recently got surgery, so for all we know he might've been on the roster had that problem not occurred. He was called into the initial training camp, and abruptly left like a day or two in, likely because of his injury.
There's no reason to make it seem like he's worse than 13th forwards in the NHL, and career KHL bottom 6'ers.
This, the traditional top 6/bottom 6 role is dying. In many ways teams now use one of their top 2 lines as their shutdown line, allowing the 3rd line unit to be somewhat sheltered. Now, if you are going to use your 3rd line as a checking unit, its probably best to put an offensively gifted rookie in the top 6.
Skinnyjimmy08
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Fabbri is another perfect example too I agree. He was eased into it this season and was pretty quiet and I felt the second half of the year he was one of the best young players in the NHL and has still looked dangerous in playoffs
cgf
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The way Roy handled Grigorenko this season would also serve as an example of the success you can have patiently easing skilled players up the lineup.
Greg started the year on the 4th line, while seeing some scratches along the way. But by the end of the year he was solidified in the top 6 and had established some nice chemistry with both Duchene & MacKinnon. There's still work to do; but the progress was massive and when the season came to a close Grigorenko belonged on an NHL scoring line.
Greg started the year on the 4th line, while seeing some scratches along the way. But by the end of the year he was solidified in the top 6 and had established some nice chemistry with both Duchene & MacKinnon. There's still work to do; but the progress was massive and when the season came to a close Grigorenko belonged on an NHL scoring line.
Irishguy42
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He's arriving this summer, expecting to train and acclimate to North America.
Excited to see him adjust and develop with the Rangers.
Skinnyjimmy08
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Would he have gotten a promise from NYR to be playing in NHL?.. Or is he happy with nhl or ahl
I know elc's can be either or but I also know some big named guys once they finally sign want a verbal agreement tjat it's NHL definately
I know elc's can be either or but I also know some big named guys once they finally sign want a verbal agreement tjat it's NHL definately
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Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
None of us have the terms of the contract on hand, but he's made it clear in the past that the AHL is not really a viable option for him.
Too bad for him. He doesn't seem ready for NHL so it would be good for him to spend some time in AHL adapting to NA hockey. So if he doesn't perform AV will be forced to play him in the 4th line or even put on bench instead of sending to AHL where he can get top minutes and confidence.
Eric Sachs
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Actually, everyone has the terms of the contract on hand. Contracts are standardized and included in the CBA, especially ELCs.
There's nothing that a player can include in their ELC to force the team to play them in the NHL. It's completely up to the team to assign the player where they choose unless the player has an NMC (which you can't earn one until your UFA years).
Rangers can play him in the NHL or AHL as they please. They might have a handshake deal that they give him a shot at the NHL but nothing in stone.
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No need to imply anything. Kucherov flat-out is better than Kuznetsov.
And good for the Rangers on signing Buchnevich - I'm curious to see how he does right out of the gate.
