RW Pavel Buchnevich (2013, 75th, NYR)

[Eric Sachs]

Not when it comes to KHLers.

Relevant CBA section below.. he can block an AHL assignment by choosing to go to the KHL. Language appears as if the Rangers can force him to return though by calling him back up to the NHL. I didn't mean they could force him to play in the AHL.. I meant that Buchnevich cannot have a contractual guarantee of NHL time.

11.19 Loan to Clubs Outside North America. The SPC of any Player may contain a clause that provides that, in the event his NHL Club Loans the Player to a club outside the NHL, during the period of such Loan, the Player shall have the option to be Loaned to a club of his choice outside North America. The clause may relieve the NHL Club of the obligation to pay the Player his Paragraph 1 Salary for the duration of such Loan if such relief is expressly stated in the provision, but the NHL Club shall otherwise be responsible for all other payments due to the Player by the NHL Club pursuant to his SPC. Such clause shall be subject to any applicable Player Transfer Agreement between the NHL and a hockey federation and/or the IIHF in effect, at the time of the Loan. The Player shall be permitted to make financial arrangements for compensation and other benefits with the club outside North America for the duration of the Loan, which financial compensation and benefits shall not be included in Averaged Club Salary, Actual Club Salary, League-wide Player Compensation or the Players' Share. The Club shall be required to provide to the NHL and the NHLPA in accordance with Exhibit 3 any loan agreement entered into in relation to such Loan by no later than 5:00 p.m. New York time on the day following the day the Club has received the executed loan agreement.

The discussion they were having was about whether he could only play in the NHL. The Rangers can choose to send him down if they want.. they won't be forced to keep him on the roster even if they agreed to it or guaranteed it. There's nothing in an SPC/ELC that would back that up.

Buchnevich can't force the Rangers to play him in the NHL, which was my point. He can indeed choose to return to the KHL if he's not on the NHL roster, I didn't think they were referring to that. This clause doesn't really change much as he's still under Rangers control if he chooses to go back.

 

[KarIgo87]

Relevant CBA section below.. he can block an AHL assignment by choosing to go to the KHL. Language appears as if the Rangers can force him to return though by calling him back up to the NHL. I didn't mean they could force him to play in the AHL.. I meant that Buchnevich cannot have a contractual guarantee of NHL time.



The discussion they were having was about whether he could only play in the NHL. The Rangers can choose to send him down if they want.. they won't be forced to keep him on the roster even if they agreed to it or guaranteed it. There's nothing in an SPC/ELC that would back that up.

Buchnevich can't force the Rangers to play him in the NHL, which was my point. He can indeed choose to return to the KHL if he's not on the NHL roster, I didn't think they were referring to that. This clause doesn't really change much as he's still under Rangers control if he chooses to go back.

Well, sure they can. But do they want him to go back to KHL? I mean if there will be a choice who's going to AHL, him or some NA player, it definitely won't be Pav even if his performance is worse than this NA player. Formally he can't force them to play himself in NHL but when you have KHL as a back-up it sure gives you some levearge. I can only hope that Buch is a reasonable young man and understands that some AHL time can be useful for him and it's not an insult to be sent down to minors. Because a lot of Russian people and players think exactly like that.

 

[Eric Sachs]

Well, sure they can. But do they want him to go back to KHL? I mean if there will be a choice who's going to AHL, him or some NA player, it definitely won't be Pav even if his performance is worse than this NA player. Formally he can't force them to play himself in NHL but when you have KHL as a back-up it sure gives you some levearge. I can only hope that Buch is a reasonable young man and understands that some AHL time can be useful for him and it's not an insult to be sent down to minors. Because a lot of Russian people and players think exactly like that.

They aren't going to keep him on the NHL roster if he's not ready to play in the NHL. That doesn't help the Rangers or Buchnevich. They'll let him go back to the KHL and then call him up later it the year (or try again next year) when they think he's ready.

Sure, there's leverage.. but not much. Worst case scenario for the Rangers is they let him play in the KHL another year or so. He'd still be under team control and they can force his return to the NHL whenever they wish.

I wouldn't want to play in the AHL vs. the KHL either (he'd make more money, at home, without having to ride the bus, etc. in the KHL)... and it's arguable whether the Rangers would even want him there as well. Depending what team he's on in the KHL, he'll be playing in a similar role against a higher level of competition. The adjustment to NA ice isn't as important as standard development right now IMO.

 

[KarIgo87]

They aren't going to keep him on the NHL roster if he's not ready to play in the NHL. That doesn't help the Rangers or Buchnevich. They'll let him go back to the KHL and then call him up later it the year (or try again next year) when they think he's ready.

Sure, there's leverage.. but not much. Worst case scenario for the Rangers is they let him play in the KHL another year or so. He'd still be under team control and they can force his return to the NHL whenever they wish.

I wouldn't want to play in the AHL vs. the KHL either (he'd make more money, at home, without having to ride the bus, etc. in the KHL)... and it's arguable whether the Rangers would even want him there as well. Depending what team he's on in the KHL, he'll be playing in a similar role against a higher level of competition. The adjustment to NA ice isn't as important as standard development right now IMO.

It seems to me that he genuinely thinks that he's ready for NHL and he didn't get enough time in SKA. I think that another year in KHL would've been good for him. Next season could've become his break-out year and he could've gone to NHL as a SKA's leader, just like Tarasenko and Panarin before him. Well, I hope he'll be able to crack Rangers roster and won't be defensive liability to team.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

IMO they will be playing with fire if they don't play him in NHL this year unfortunately.

Buchnevich signed a NHL deal cause he feels he is now ready for NHL. If they re assign him to AHL, no doubt about it he will head back to KHL. NYR need to change things up anyways, keep him up, let him develop and add some excitement

 

[Parliament]

I can't see the Rangers wanting to sign him, only to send him back to the KHL and loose control over his development. At least for the year.

I view this is a pretty likely sign that Buch will be on the rangers come next year, assuming his first nine games don't suggest that he's absolutely not ready (Sam Reinhart in '14/15 for example). Even at that, I would imagine the rangers give him a fairly long leash if he's not slotted in a top 6 role.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Too bad for him. He doesn't seem ready for NHL so it would be good for him to spend some time in AHL adapting to NA hockey. So if he doesn't perform AV will be forced to play him in the 4th line or even put on bench instead of sending to AHL where he can get top minutes and confidence.

He's plenty ready for the NHL, in terms of play. A lot of us thought he might be ready a year ago. Now he's even more ready. If you judge his play with Severstal, he was one of the best forwards in the KHL through half of the season. Unfortunately with SKA, he barely played, wasn't given much of a chance to move up into a bigger role. He doesn't need to do what Tarasenko or Panarin did. Those were different situations. I don't think SKA wasn't even giving those players regular PP time, like Zubov did with Buch.

Will he adjust to NA right away? I don't know, but the organization would surely be stupid to not give the only high level prospect in the organization as big of a leash as you can give a prospect in the early going. He really should make the NHL team. If this was a NA prospect, no one would be talking about him not making the NHL team because its incredibly likely that he makes the team. Since the KHL possibility exists though, there's still that small chance. It can't be less than like 80% that he makes the NHL team though.

Relevant CBA section below.. he can block an AHL assignment by choosing to go to the KHL. Language appears as if the Rangers can force him to return though by calling him back up to the NHL. I didn't mean they could force him to play in the AHL.. I meant that Buchnevich cannot have a contractual guarantee of NHL time.



The discussion they were having was about whether he could only play in the NHL. The Rangers can choose to send him down if they want.. they won't be forced to keep him on the roster even if they agreed to it or guaranteed it. There's nothing in an SPC/ELC that would back that up.

Buchnevich can't force the Rangers to play him in the NHL, which was my point. He can indeed choose to return to the KHL if he's not on the NHL roster, I didn't think they were referring to that. This clause doesn't really change much as he's still under Rangers control if he chooses to go back.

You were incorrectly interpreting what I was saying though. I understand he has a two way contract, but he's said that he doesn't want to play in the AHL. It seems to be why he didn't join the Rangers a year ago. It probably was a 50/50 shot whether he'd make the team a year ago, and my speculation at least is that he didn't want to run that risk. Now, he probably has a very good chance to make the team, unless management does something stupid.

 

[timlap]

Actually, everyone has the terms of the contract on hand. Contracts are standardized and included in the CBA, especially ELCs.

There's nothing that a player can include in their ELC to force the team to play them in the NHL. It's completely up to the team to assign the player where they choose unless the player has an NMC (which you can't earn one until your UFA years).

Rangers can play him in the NHL or AHL as they please. They might have a handshake deal that they give him a shot at the NHL but nothing in stone.

I believe Andreas Johnson on the Leafs has the option to return to Sweden rather than play in the AHL. Could be wrong about that, but I thought I read it somewhere credible.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I believe Andreas Johnson on the Leafs has the option to return to Sweden rather than play in the AHL. Could be wrong about that, but I thought I read it somewhere credible.

Arturri Lehkonen does too.. just signed with the Habs and if he doesn't make NHL roster, he can head back to Europe if he wants.

I think we will see a lot of these Euro rookies in NHL next season for sure

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

It seems to me that he genuinely thinks that he's ready for NHL and he didn't get enough time in SKA. I think that another year in KHL would've been good for him. Next season could've become his break-out year and he could've gone to NHL as a SKA's leader, just like Tarasenko and Panarin before him. Well, I hope he'll be able to crack Rangers roster and won't be defensive liability to team.

I think you're reading too much into his time with SKA. The Rangers thought he was ready to play in the NHL last summer and wanted him to come over, he wanted to spend another year in the KHL because he didn't think he would make the Rangers roster. The Rangers aren't likely to seriously contend for anything other than maybe a playoff spot this season, and might make some big roster changes over the summer. So I can't see why they wouldn't just play him in the NHL and let him learn what he needs to this season.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Buchnevich spent seven weeks training, on and off the ice, with Ben Prentice in Connecticut, living with a host family that helped his transition, then took two weeks to gather his belongings in Russia, then returned to train in Greenburgh since Sept. 1.

He said, with a smile, he worked harder this summer than he had in previous summers in Russia.

“Yes, I’m tired of practicing. I’ve got to start playing,” he laughed.

Through translator Nick Bobrov, the Rangers’ director of European scouting, Buchnevich said, “I understand a lot more English now, and the Rangers players have been very good to me. They’ve been speaking slowly to me, knowing that I don’t speak very well. But I’m understanding a lot more than I ever did when I first got here.”

Asked if he had an English tutor, Buchnevich smiled, “I have an app on my phone.”

Buchnevich doesn’t know what to expect in Traverse City, other than “what Chris Kreider told me: ‘Don’t get into a fight because you never know who you’re fighting.’”

http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nh...eers/90415902/

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Buchnevich spent seven weeks training, on and off the ice, with Ben Prentice in Connecticut, living with a host family that helped his transition, then took two weeks to gather his belongings in Russia, then returned to train in Greenburgh since Sept. 1.

He said, with a smile, he worked harder this summer than he had in previous summers in Russia.

“Yes, I’m tired of practicing. I’ve got to start playing,†he laughed.

Through translator Nick Bobrov, the Rangers’ director of European scouting, Buchnevich said, “I understand a lot more English now, and the Rangers players have been very good to me. They’ve been speaking slowly to me, knowing that I don’t speak very well. But I’m understanding a lot more than I ever did when I first got here.â€

Asked if he had an English tutor, Buchnevich smiled, “I have an app on my phone.â€

Buchnevich doesn’t know what to expect in Traverse City, other than “what Chris Kreider told me: ‘Don’t get into a fight because you never know who you’re fighting.’â€

http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nh...eers/90415902/

Are you gonna keep his name when he plays for the Rangers?

 

[wings5]

Buchnevich spent seven weeks training, on and off the ice, with Ben Prentice in Connecticut, living with a host family that helped his transition, then took two weeks to gather his belongings in Russia, then returned to train in Greenburgh since Sept. 1.

He said, with a smile, he worked harder this summer than he had in previous summers in Russia.

“Yes, I’m tired of practicing. I’ve got to start playing,†he laughed.

Through translator Nick Bobrov, the Rangers’ director of European scouting, Buchnevich said, “I understand a lot more English now, and the Rangers players have been very good to me. They’ve been speaking slowly to me, knowing that I don’t speak very well. But I’m understanding a lot more than I ever did when I first got here.â€

Asked if he had an English tutor, Buchnevich smiled, “I have an app on my phone.â€

Buchnevich doesn’t know what to expect in Traverse City, other than “what Chris Kreider told me: ‘Don’t get into a fight because you never know who you’re fighting.’â€

http://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nh...eers/90415902/

How did Kreider learn Russian?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Are you gonna keep his name when he plays for the Rangers?

Might change it to "Igor Shestyorkin", but I'm not sure.

How did Kreider learn Russian?

I think when he was at BC, but they also trained together at Prentiss Hockey Performance this summer, so maybe he told him in English.

 

[DonskoiDonscored]

Asked if he had an English tutor, Buchnevich smiled, “I have an app on my phone.â€

$10 says it's Duolingo.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He has had a really good preseason.

1G, 2A in 4 games, and thats having been robbed by Mason twice on should be goals in his third preseason game. He was probably our best player in tonight's game. He's gotten better every single game from the prospects tournament to the preseason.

He looks stronger, and his defense at the NHL level looks better than I thought it might be initially. Offensively, he looks like he's gotten even better. He plays so well with Kreider and Zibanejad. I think there's a very good chance he's 1RW to start the season with those two players.

 

[Tripod]

Played really well vs Philly. Very noticable.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Played really well vs Philly. Very noticable.

He might have been the only player that was noticeable in a positive way. Really happy with what we have seen from Buch. so far. The kid has the talent to be a 30+ goal scorer. If he can get 15-20 this year and develop his overall game. I would be thrilled.

 

[Atas2000]

He might have been the only player that was noticeable in a positive way. Really happy with what we have seen from Buch. so far. The kid has the talent to be a 30+ goal scorer. If he can get 15-20 this year and develop his overall game. I would be thrilled.

I hope so. He has made strides. What I like about him is that he works on his weaknesses obviously. If he continues on he might become the 30g 60p winger.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Had a nice assist in his first NHL game.

 

[johna2626]

Man that was a nice pass

 

[Kshahdoo]

Man that was a nice pass

Some people still say, the pass wasn't that good, and it was all Kreider, but I can't see, how it could be better, when a defenseman was so close. Pavel did it the best way, and I think he expected from Kreider such a play (I mean a handplay).

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Makes you think if Kreids and Buch talked about doing something like that before to spring Kreider. If that pass is on the ice, it's intercepted and Islanders are off in transition.

Pass was perfect if that was a somewhat set play. If not, great reaction by Kreider.

Kid can shoot the puck though and wasn't shying away from ripping some shots on the PP when the Rangers were up on the fish.

 

[izzy]

Yeah, really sweet pass.

 

[monsieurthibz]

Whether the pass to Kreider was a setup play or not isn't really the point. The fact that a 21yo prospect has the guts to even try such a pass (and nails it!) in his first NHL game is. It shows the confidence you want to see in a highskilled prospect, and that is, gentlemen, a pretty damn positive point for any Rangers fan!