RW Pavel Buchnevich (2013, 75th, NYR)
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Baemon Severson*
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The KHL can give players (especially top Russians) more money, especially when you consider I'm sure they get tax breaks. The KHL can never be taken seriously when they have rules that benefit top clubs like allowing certain players not to count against the cap. I mean, either have a cap or dont, that's just a half assed attempt at parity.
I wont even get into clubs folding, delaying payment to players, etc.
Pavel Buchnevich
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In the interest of being fair with updates, he's went 8 games without a point, and he took a penalty with the game tied late, the other team scored on the PP that came from that penalty to win the game.
He's not getting much playing time in the playoffs, he's played more than 14 minutes once in 12 games, and got just over 8 minutes today. His play hasn't been as bad as all of that might suggest. He's getting his shots and creating offense, but his line is just not getting any points. His whole line has 1 point in the last 8 games. He also has a slightly higher shots per game in the playoffs than he did in the regular season with SKA, so its not just being invisible. Pavel and the other winger on the line both get no special teams playing time, they are routinely the lowest on the team in minutes played. The center on the line plays some PK, but doesn't get PP time. Zubov seems to trust the fourth line more than he trusts the third line.
He's not getting much playing time in the playoffs, he's played more than 14 minutes once in 12 games, and got just over 8 minutes today. His play hasn't been as bad as all of that might suggest. He's getting his shots and creating offense, but his line is just not getting any points. His whole line has 1 point in the last 8 games. He also has a slightly higher shots per game in the playoffs than he did in the regular season with SKA, so its not just being invisible. Pavel and the other winger on the line both get no special teams playing time, they are routinely the lowest on the team in minutes played. The center on the line plays some PK, but doesn't get PP time. Zubov seems to trust the fourth line more than he trusts the third line.
GordonGecko
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so his KHL team is down 2-0 in the best of seven against moscow. If they lose, is he going to come over to the Rangers to close out the NHL season (assuming he doesn't want to stay in Russia)
Skinnyjimmy08
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FLYLine27*
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I hope not.
I dont want him burning a year off his ELC to rush into the playoffs. Let him adjust slowly to a new country, team, and world.
Sign this June, come over in July and start meeting players, and be ready for training camp.
Obviously more mature guys carry the team in the playoffs. Nothing wrong with it. While the deadline aquisition Shirokov never seemed like a good fit with SKA, so the line does struggle.
1.Nobody is getting tax breaks. There are low income taxes in Russia, plain and simple. But you can stay with your myths about Russia.
2.Obviously a young player would get more money in the KHL because of the ELC restrictions in the NHL. And it is a viable option for a young Russian to earn some money at home before going to NA, just like Kuznetsov did. The problem is again with North Americans and their views and perceptions. You fail to realize this can be beneficial for the NHL teams. The fact that Kuznetsov could earn some money in the KHL before going over was probably a factor in him signing a bridge deal with the Caps because he has less worries about his financial situation as a family man and a father. I will never understand what the great point of getting drafted players into the basket and under the blanket(i.e. in NA) as soon as possible is.
3.Nobody needs that kind of parity. I hate the NHL parity. It kills the quality. The NHL has actually become boring since the cap(Yes, I get the point of giving all markets more to cheer about. To me on the outside looking in it made the league less exciting by a great margin). Allowing top player's salaries to not count against the cap is a good measure for a developing league.
4.There are different rules aboutcontracts in the NHL and the KHL. Everybody knows and accepts it. I hope you are not one of the people who thinks Kovalchuk left the NHL for money, because that would be a contradiction to your arguments about the KHL contracs being less of a guarantee.
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GordonGecko
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Slats doesn't care about ELC years, so most likely Gorton won't either. It's just a question of if they think he can help like they did with Kreider
NotNotALeafsFan
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To save me 18 pages of reading, what's this guys potential & which player can he be compared to?
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
Good 1st line winger is what we expect. Could be slightly less, a 2nd line winger, or slightly more, an all star forward who's a PPG player at his peak. People have compared him to players like Loui Eriksson, Alex Semin, poor man's Malkin. Poor man's Malkin is my favorite comparison, thats a comparison that I think I started by the way, and others have picked up on it. I think he plays a lot like Malkin, the puck protection, the skating, the ability to QB the PP as a forward, the very good shot that they don't use enough, very good passing, stick skills. He's not as good as Malkin, but I think he plays a lot like him. The only difference is that Buch is a winger and Malkin is a center.
In the tier of recent Russian forwards based on what they've done in junior hockey and early in their pro careers before the NHL, most have said he's not in the Kuznetsov or Tarasenko tier, around Kucherov level, and a little above Panarin level.
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GordonGecko
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Pavel Buchnevich
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I knew someone would do this. I clearly stated as prospects. I'm not saying he's better right now than a player who'll probably have 70+ points in the NHL this season. Panarin's significantly older.
Take a look at stats through their 18, 19, 20 year old KHL seasons, its in Buchnevich's favor. Take a look at their stats with Russian Junior National Team's, its in Buchnevich's favor. The only recent Russian forward prospects who he doesn't beat in these areas is Tarasenko and Kuznetsov, and he's not that far behind them in those two areas. Its hard to judge Kucherov because he left for NA before playing many KHL games, but the stats in international competitions at certain ages are similar, as are how most people project them, a tier below Tarasenko and Kuznetsov.
Hunter Gathers
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That's silly. If you can get him over and you think he can help this team this season, you do it. If he's an upgrade over what we have, you do it in a second.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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BUCHNEVICH WATCH BEGINS! SKA IS OUT! SKA IS OUT!
4-0 sweep, CSKA is a much better team. Buchnevich got moved up to the top line today, and played well, third most minutes of the forwards, but same story most of the playoffs for him, just couldn't get anything to go.
4-0 sweep, CSKA is a much better team. Buchnevich got moved up to the top line today, and played well, third most minutes of the forwards, but same story most of the playoffs for him, just couldn't get anything to go.
GordonGecko
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Baemon Severson*
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You do need parity, otherwise, what's the point of watching if you aren't a fan of one of the top 3 or 4 teams? Obviously the KHL believes that too, being there's a salary cap and all. Obviously the Russian economy has a lot to do with teams folding, but I highly doubt fan interest/sponsorships are all that high on bottomfeeders. Parity has allowed NHL team values to continue to skyrocket. The more teams are in it, the more fans pay to watch games, etc. Again, what is the point of being a fan of Lada or Vityaz? I enjoy watching the Premier League but I could never imagine being invested in a team when the odds are so stacked against 80% of the league. At least in soccer, lesser teams can sneak into a Champions League spot. What is the incentive in the KHL?
LOL of course Kovalchuk left the NHL for money. When he's in China next year, are you going to retract that statement? He went to NJ because they offered him much more than LA and he left NJ because SKA could offer him more.
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Oscar Lindberg
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I highly doubt he comes over to North America as soon as everyone thinks. I don't see him coming over until June.
Irishguy42
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Buch coming over for the NHL playoffs would be a surprise, but I highly doubt it's happening. He'll come over in the summer, in time for training camp and the '16-'17 season.
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why do people think he wont come over till next season? (honest question)
Id think that if Buchnevich wants to come over, NYR would get it done as soon as possible. They don't want to risk anything with him. He could easily very well just end up staying in Russia
Id think that if Buchnevich wants to come over, NYR would get it done as soon as possible. They don't want to risk anything with him. He could easily very well just end up staying in Russia
Oscar Lindberg
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He wants to come over, but it just makes more sense to have him play for the team next season. I have no issue if he wants to come over to North America to train, but having him immediately sign a contract and try to get him to play for the rest of the regular season and playoffs seems short sighted to me.
I don't have any worries about him staying in Russia. He's said multiple times he wants to play in the NHL. He'll get his chance next season
