RW Pavel Buchnevich (2013, 75th, NYR)

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The GM of Severstal said the reason he traded him was because he was going to the NHL at the end of the season, he's all but confirmed he wants to play in the NHL next season in interviews, every NYR source I've seen seems to indicate they believe he's coming over, the team probably would've traded him for Staal if they actually thought he wasn't coming over instead of what we gave up, and the ruble is completely in the tank.

There's a lot of information that indicates he's probably joining the Rangers. We can't rule out him re-signing with SKA, as they have the capability to offer him as much money as he wants, but he's probably not going to accept their offer.

That was then, if he found a nice spot in the SKA (by all reports Petersburg is a great city) lineup and they offer him great money, it may be he considers the offer. If he comes to the nhl later he has a shorter ELC, hence he will earn more in his career.

To be fair I am only speculating.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

He was benched for the first game of the playoffs for no apparent reason, and only came back into the lineup because of the Kovalchuk fiasco. Zubov then only gave him around 10 minutes per game the rest of the series, despite having a point in three of four games he played. They treat him pretty badly, for a player they want to keep. I'm sure the Kings fans aren't too happy with how Zubov treats Dergachyov either, he deserves more time than he gets as well.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Then again, AV would definitely sit him to get Vanilla and Glass in the lineup.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

Why didn't Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Panarin accept the money instead of an ELC?

Kuznetsov and Panarin took forever to NA. Not your best example

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Kuznetsov and Panarin took forever to NA. Not your best example

Kuznetsov was a year older than Buchnevich currently is when he came over, Panarin was un-drafted and not yet a KHL star, so he probably didn't even have much NHL interest at that point.

 

[thrillhous]

So surprising that the posters trying to rain on the parade of Rangers fans regarding Buchnevich are Devils and Isles fans.

Severstal wouldn't have traded him if he hadn't made it clear that he was headed to NA. Hometown boy and was their leading scorer at age 20.

 

[Atas2000]

He was benched for the first game of the playoffs for no apparent reason, and only came back into the lineup because of the Kovalchuk fiasco. Zubov then only gave him around 10 minutes per game the rest of the series, despite having a point in three of four games he played. They treat him pretty badly, for a player they want to keep. I'm sure the Kings fans aren't too happy with how Zubov treats Dergachyov either, he deserves more time than he gets as well.

That's pure bias. Why should he get more time now in the playoffs on a stacked team? They have options. Buchnevich is not there to save the team or something.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

That's pure bias. Why should he get more time now in the playoffs on a stacked team? They have options. Buchnevich is not there to save the team or something.

Its not bias against him. Zubov does what a lot of coaches do, plays his two or three best players too much and plays the plugs too much, doesn't play the talented young players enough. Why should he get more? Because he's playing better than other players.

 

[Kshahdoo]

That was then, if he found a nice spot in the SKA (by all reports Petersburg is a great city) lineup and they offer him great money, it may be he considers the offer. If he comes to the nhl later he has a shorter ELC, hence he will earn more in his career.

To be fair I am only speculating.

I've heard NYC isn't that bad too. Never been to it though.

 

[Atas2000]

Its not bias against him. Zubov does what a lot of coaches do, plays his two or three best players too much and plays the plugs too much, doesn't play the talented young players enough. Why should he get more? Because he's playing better than other players.

Zubov is just fine with using his young talent to his team's advantage. Gusev, Barabanov, Buchnevich all perform well. It's not about minutes.

 

[Flynn84]

I'm sure the Kings fans aren't too happy with how Zubov treats Dergachyov either, he deserves more time than he gets as well.

What the hell? He's not an elite talent and getting 11:35 TOI in the playoffs is pretty good for a 19 years of old skater in so stacked team.

 

[sqw3r]

What the hell? He's not an elite talent and getting 11:35 TOI in the playoffs is pretty good for a 19 years of old skater in so stacked team.

Obv he and Buch should skate for 40 minutes every game. They are the saviors of SPb after all.

 

[Irishguy42]

Any reason to believe this is true?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Obv he and Buch should skate for 40 minutes every game. They are the saviors of SPb after all.

Who said 40 minutes per game? So many of you wonder why Russian kids go to play in the CHL, its because they know that their development isn't always at the forefront in the KHL.

 

[gretskidoo]

Who said 40 minutes per game? So many of you wonder why Russian kids go to play in the CHL, its because they know that their development isn't always at the forefront in the KHL.

Nor should it be.

 

[sqw3r]

Who said 40 minutes per game? So many of you wonder why Russian kids go to play in the CHL, its because they know that their development isn't always at the forefront in the KHL.

yeah and they have been developing in CHL to the great heights of 3rd-4th lines. But that's offtopic and you should take it to the dedicated thread if you wanna talk about this.
Buch has been given opportunities and he has been using his chances very well. Doesn't mean he should be playing 60 minutes per game just because some NYR fan of his thinks he knows better than the coaching stuff of SKA.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Any reason to believe this is true?

easily... I would have assumed they would have offered way more. IMO if that's what they are only offering, he may as well come to

every player in every euro league is given an apartment and vehicle. Its not usually a Mercedes haha but its still a vehicle

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

yeah and they have been developing in CHL to the great heights of 3rd-4th lines. But that's offtopic and you should take it to the dedicated thread if you wanna talk about this.
Buch has been given opportunities and he has been using his chances very well. Doesn't mean he should be playing 60 minutes per game just because some NYR fan of his thinks he knows better than the coaching stuff of SKA.

You are moving the goal off its moorings. First it was 40 minutes, now its 60 minutes. I think around 15-16 minutes is appropriate given his play. I certainly don't think he should have a tenuous spot in the lineup. He's been very poorly managed by SKA, as has other younger players like Barabanov, Dergachyov, Shestyorkin, Yudin, Rykov. I watch many games, a lot of the players getting more time than him play nowhere near as well. It's certainly understandable that fans of teams with draft picks on SKA would want them to be playing more, especially if they are playing well with the time they are getting. I certainly wasn't happy with the trade, as his playing time was decreased a lot, and sometimes he was inexplicably left out of the lineup. He was doing just fine with Severstal. I also am not happy that Shestyorkin is setting VHL records, and still can't get more than the odd KHL game.

This isn't just SKA though. The KHL produces some very good players because Russia has a ton of talent, but the development methods for these Russian players around age 18-22 is poor once they are ready to test themselves in the KHL. Teams often don't want to give younger players more than scrap minutes, and thats regardless of how they play. As much as the KHL wants to appear as legitimate competition to the NHL, its not, and its not close. The league should be worrying about developing young Russian hockey players for the NHL to eventually benefit the Russian National Team. Until that happens, young Russian players will choose the CHL.

 

[sqw3r]

The league should be worrying about developing young Russian hockey players for the NHL to eventually benefit the Russian National Team. Until that happens, young Russian players will choose the CHL.

this is pretty much the reason why russians don't take seriously opinions of NHL fans on KHL. The league shouldn't be worrying about developing players for NHL, the teams shouldn't too. The world doesn't revolve around NHL. It's a professiona league and the teams should be worrying about winning Gagarin Cup, rather than trying to appease NYR fans from HFboards.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

The world doesn't revolve around NHL. It's a professiona league and the teams should be worrying about winning Gagarin Cup

It actually does revolve around the NHL. This is something that people in every other country realize. 99% of players that play hockey want to eventually play in the NHL. Just like with football, 99% of footballers want to play in the top footballing leagues. There is always an outlier or two, but there's a reason that a lot of top Russian junior players now play in the CHL, its to help their development towards making the NHL and to showcase themselves to NHL teams. The ones that don't probably also have the same eventual dreams, but go about reaching it in a different way.

It's time for the KHL to get on the same page as other countries. I criticize NHL teams a lot for bad scouting in Russia, but its definitely true that KHL teams, Russian KHL fans, KHL figureheads don't help with some of their views that don't align with current popular perception around the world and even from the young Russian players.

 

[Atas2000]

Who said 40 minutes per game? So many of you wonder why Russian kids go to play in the CHL, its because they know that their development isn't always at the forefront in the KHL.

So playing in a kid's league is helping their development? The stats stell adifferent story. The young russian NHL stars developed in the KHL. The guys who went to the CHL are... dare I say Yakupov.

 

[Atas2000]

It actually does revolve around the NHL. .

I don't want a league in America to make people think everything revolves around it. If the NHL fails someday I won't shed a tear. Especially after posts like yours.

I want a strong league with star players where I can watch them play. For now there is the NHL and it's fine. But every effort to change that in favor of the KHL is legit. I'm even ready to pay for it, if need be. The NHL is an egotist bunch, but it will change.

 

[Baemon Severson*]

I don't want a league in America to make people think everything revolves around it. If the NHL fails someday I won't shed a tear. Especially after posts like yours.

I want a strong league with star players where I can watch them play. For now there is the NHL and it's fine. But every effort to change that in favor of the KHL is legit. I'm even ready to pay for it, if need be. The NHL is an egotist bunch, but it will change.

What? The goal of the MAJORITY (like 99%) of young, Russian players is to play in the NHL. If RUSSIANS feel this way, why would other Euros and NA players choose an alternative?

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

So playing in a kid's league is helping their development? The stats stell adifferent story. The young russian NHL stars developed in the KHL. The guys who went to the CHL are... dare I say Yakupov.

Actually, I didn't say the CHL helps their development.

I think the KHL would be a great place to develop, if the teams in the league were committed to development of the players. The culture is comfortable to them, the competition is good and the teaching of the game is top notch in Russia. The problem remains the ambitions of the KHL to become a top league, which I think you can acknowledge really hurts the development of the young players in the league. Its nowhere near the same thing in the SHL or Liiga.

For now, the KHL is just a slightly better alternative than the CHL, which is a terrible situation for young Russian players. The personal adjustment to NA is not easy for them, so expecting them to come out right away and perform is very unrealistic, as very talented players like Tarasenko, Kuznetsov, Nichushkin have shown. The intentions of the players to come over, get exposure to NHL scouts, and get accustomed to NA culture and ice make sense, but a lot of them underestimate how difficult that is. Most don't completely adjust within a season, where they are really under the microscope, in terms of the NHL draft.

 

[Atas2000]

What? The goal of the MAJORITY (like 99%) of young, Russian players is to play in the NHL.

Because they are... not very smart. Plain and simple. I don't expect pro athletes to be rocket scientists and think further than their own pair of pants.

If RUSSIANS feel this way, why would other Euros and NA players choose an alternative?

Why are players choose to play in the NHL? Money and compettition. If we can give them that in Russia they willl play in Russia. It is much easier said than done, but I see no reason to support the NHL in any way or even more so support the wish of russian players to play in the NHL. If they want it, they can do it, nobody prevents them from doing so. Errare humanum est.

We should work on the KHL and improve it in the meantime. If NHL fears the competition, they only need to admit it.