Again. You’re talking about potential value and “valuations”. That’s all well and good when you want to sell the team, but when you need liquidity it doesn’t really offer you much. You don’t pay the players based on the value of the team, you pay them based on the revenue you bring in, namely ticket sales, and before this season those numbers had been in a downward spiral for a while.
Roster thread: Get To Work (2022-2023 Season)
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+93 and will likely be cheaper than compher. Better short handed stats as well.
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So what's general consensus here?
Out: Oloffson, Jokiharju, Okposo, UPL, Comrie, Anderson, Hinostroza
In: Top 4 D, Solid 50 game reliable goalie, Replace other offense with one of Savoie/Kulich,
More minutes for Quinn, Peterka, Krebbs.
Maybes to keep: Okposo, Joki, one of UPL/Comrie?
Out: Oloffson, Jokiharju, Okposo, UPL, Comrie, Anderson, Hinostroza
In: Top 4 D, Solid 50 game reliable goalie, Replace other offense with one of Savoie/Kulich,
More minutes for Quinn, Peterka, Krebbs.
Maybes to keep: Okposo, Joki, one of UPL/Comrie?
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I think the only things you'll find consensus on is:
1.) Getting a top 4 D to pair with either Dahlin or Power
2.) Getting a better goalie in here to either pair with Levi.....or if he goes down, Comrie.
Beyond that......there will be varying opinions of what should be done with the roster.
MarkusKetterer
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They are! Next thing you know they’ll generate an image of Bobby Orr in a Sabres jersey and wearing goalie equipment.
AI must be stopped
The point I have made regularly is that as a PK faceoff guy and PKer in general who can play up and down the lineup at both center and wing. The elite on the PK are guys like either first line guys (Bergeron, Kopitar, Drai, Hischier) or they are true pluggers (Luke Glendening, Bleuger, Kuraly). Cross referencing them between the two, a guy who can handle volume in a set role as the faceoff and settled pair PKer for the Avs who while not great are middle of the pack compared to the Sabres craptastic ice follies.
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Interesting.
I think the short handed faceoff win% being so low league wide really highlights that winning faceoffs has as much to do with the other skaters as it does with the guys taking the faceoff.
Faceoffs are basically random scrambles for a loose puck, which is why it's harder to win a faceoff 5v4.
Sigh. They are going to give Mittelstadt an 8 year deal based on a good run of 30 games out of 275 game career aren't they?
I have no issue with keeping him this summer. Heck, I'd be OK with a short term extension at a reasonable number. But, giving him a long term deal with long term prices based on half a season of good production in a 5 year NHL career would be stupid.
Total taken (3oa) and total wins. By % he's 67th sorting players with a minimum of 20 SHFW's this season.
I'm of the opinion that faceoffs as a macro don't matter. Micro events do. And that in general, the only way for the Sabres to improve at it is for them to work on it as a team if they feel the events directly after a loss are important enough to warrant it. I suspect they don't think that's worthwhile - similar to the data from http://www.lukebornn.com/papers/czuzoj_sloan_2019.pdf that was posted up earlier (and I book marked this time because otherwise I can't find the damn thing).
I'd love some Haula. He's older than their self-imposed age thing though.
Zman5778
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Looking at that list -- it's enlightening how many of the high-# SH faceoff takers are well below 50%.
Did you copy that out of the Thompson thread?
If they are hoping Mittelstadt is going to magically follow the same development curve as Thompson has, I am setting up a timeshare presentation in the lobby of keybank center this summer.
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If they can lock Mitts up a to a steal of a contract right now, I'm all for it.
Offer him the Kotkaniemi deal. 8 x $4.82 but with no trade protections.
Offer him the Kotkaniemi deal. 8 x $4.82 but with no trade protections.
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There are other factors.
One is that in the OZ, you can go with your preferred move on either dot. But, in the DZ, oftentimes you want to avoid drawing back towards your goalie and want to go into the corner. So, if you like to pull to your backhand, that only works on one side.
I was reminded of this last night when my one clean FO loss was in my DZ when I didn't want to go with my best move and win it back towards my goalie.
My son pointed it out a couple of weeks ago as Casey was heating up - that if you lay the development times and such side by side, that Mittelstadt is now about where Tage would have been last year in terms of finally putting it together. It isn't as dominant, but there are certainly some broad parallels with from coming out probably a year too soon, the time spent in the NHL while under Botts reign, taking steps to get things in order in the AHL, losing time to injury...
Just saying there are similarities there and also to your response above being similar to your stance on the Thompson and Samuelsson extensions.
Jim Bob
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$5-5.5M per would be the top end for a Mitts extension for me at this point. Basically, a little more than VO.
I was f'ing around and filtered it to players with at least 20 SHFW's and added a column for the % to get a look at the raw totals and then factor percentages.
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He also is only making money on the team if he sells it, which he never will. Whether we like it or not the Sabres are Terry's baby.
He has his hands seeped in on them much much more than he does with the Bills.
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