Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[The Winter Soldier]

I am fairly certain I saw a headline earlier that Holtby is out for this year and will potentially need to retire.

Good catch. I did not know how seriously he was injured last year. Only 32 which for Goalies is still prime years. His game slipped though since winning the Cup.

“Braden Holtby is unlikely to play next season,” Seravalli said on Friday’s edition of the DFO Rundown show. “His career may be over.”

 

[doublechili]

Apparently Connor Brown is being shopped (granted it's Dreger...). I mentioned him as a possible Bailey swap candidate (Bailey is owed slightly less than him in salary next year - not sure if OTT has incentive and might just want pick/s).

 

[lafellaesobar]

Come on Lou ol buddy get Dobson and Romanov their qualifying offers

 

[saintunspecified]

Given the numbers that are being reported, and the possible attraction between Geudreau, and Philly/Jersey, I think he's a long shot at best. Of the other potential options, who would require clearing either Bailey, or Beauvillier, it seems to me the best bet is to upgrade with a player who adds skating, size, or both. The clear fits are Marchment, and Mikheyev. The risk is that last their goal scoring from last year may not be sustainable. If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Mikheyev. Rakell may also be an option, but he's been trending down for a while now. Troucheck or Copp are also possibilities if NYI want a center to play with Barzal. But I think their teams really want to resign them.

The more I think about it, the more I think Burakovsky is a marginal upgrade at best over Beauvillier. I could easily see Beau duplicate Burakovsky's numbers (if not better) if he were on COL.

 

[PK Cronin]

You’re not going to convince @periferal

Sakic turned around that organization and brought home a cup - whatever blight he wants to highlight pales in comparison to building a team that brought home a cup - mind u in such short time

I'm not trying to convince him, just trying to understand what else he's looking at other than winning for evaluating a GM. Like I said, he loves a GM who didn't win and talks about him like he's a god, but Sakic actually wins and he's merely okay.

I'm with you though, it doesn't really matter whatever else was botched during his tenure, he just won and that's the whole point. It's not like he inherited someone else's roster to do it either.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Given the numbers that are being reported, and the possible attraction between Geudreau, and Philly/Jersey, I think he's a long shot at best. Of the other potential options, who would require clearing either Bailey, or Beauvillier, it seems to me the best bet is to upgrade with a player who adds skating, size, or both. The clear fits are Marchment, and Mikheyev. The risk is that last their goal scoring from last year may not be sustainable. If I had to choose between the two, I'd pick Mikheyev. Rakell may also be an option, but he's been trending down for a while now. Troucheck or Copp are also possibilities if NYI want a center to play with Barzal. But I think their teams really want to resign them.

The more I think about it, the more I think Burakovsky is a marginal upgrade at best over Beauvillier. I could easily see Beau duplicate Burakovsky's numbers (if not better) if he were on COL.

Copp wants a hyman contract supposedly. I would avoid him

 

[saintunspecified]

I'm not trying to convince him, just trying to understand what else he's looking at other than winning for evaluating a GM. Like I said, he loves a GM who didn't win and talks about him like he's a god, but Sakic actually wins and he's merely okay.

I'm with you though, it doesn't really matter whatever else was botched during his tenure, he just won and that's the whole point. It's not like he inherited someone else's roster to do it either.

He also hired a rookie NHL coach who, to me, looks like a future hall of fame coach. And he stuck with him through growing pains. Given the way coaches are recycled, and the best coaches are in great demand, that's a really big achievement.

 

[blinkman360]

I'm not trying to convince him, just trying to understand what else he's looking at other than winning for evaluating a GM. Like I said, he loves a GM who didn't win and talks about him like he's a god, but Sakic actually wins and he's merely okay.

I'm with you though, it doesn't really matter whatever else was botched during his tenure, he just won and that's the whole point. It's not like he inherited someone else's roster to do it either.

Not only did he win a Cup but he set up his team for a potential dynasty run. This wasn't the type of Cup win where a GM sacrificed everything for that big payoff - the Av's a built for the long-haul. Sakic has done an amazing job with that team.

 

[SI]

If Isles do sign a free agent, then I think it could be Kadri. Bailey would have to be traded to accommodate such a move - I think Arizona would be the landing spot.

Kadri - Barzal - palmieri/ wahlstrom
Lee - Nelson - Beau
Parise - Pageau - palmieri/wahlstrom

Copp wants a hyman contract supposedly. I would avoid him

He should ask for that - he had an excellent playoffs, he is young and versatile, and could very well be a very capable 3C

 

[WangMustGo]

Not only did he win a Cup but he set up his team for a potential dynasty run. This wasn't the type of Cup win where a GM sacrificed everything for that big payoff - the Av's a built for the long-haul. Sakic has done an amazing job with that team.

He has done a great job, but i dont see them being a dynasty. They are going to lose their entire 2nd line and a top 4 defenseman, and still have mediocre goaltending.

 

[IslandersFan17]

 

[lafellaesobar]

Kadri could be a name to watch out for?

 

[SI90]

 

[PK Cronin]

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

If Isles do sign a free agent, then I think it could be Kadri. Bailey would have to be traded to accommodate such a move - I think Arizona would be the landing spot.

Kadri - Barzal - palmieri/ wahlstrom
Lee - Nelson - Beau
Parise - Pageau - palmieri/wahlstrom


He should ask for that - he had an excellent playoffs, he is young and versatile, and could very well be a very capable 3C

Ugh.

When I keep reading this, I have to ask is this a personal preference or a jab at Lou's incompetence?

Q1: Who here wants the Islanders to sign Kadri?

Q2: How much do you think he signs for in free-agency? And then, if Gaudreau re-signs in the next 48 hours, how much do you think he signs for then?

Before answering, remember this is a guy who will be 32 right when the next season is starting and is going to get SERIOUSLY PAID for his "out of norm" 87-point season.

Also before answering, remember that before this last season:

1) Number of times he scored 80 points in a season: 0
2) Number of times he scored 70 points in a season: 0
3) Number of times he scored 60 points in a season: 1 (61, and it took all 82 games to do it)

His 3 seasons before last year he scored 46 goals and had 66 assists in 180 games for a per82 of 21-30-51.

JOSH f***ING BAILEY over that same time had a 15-39-54...

Some team is going to give Kadri 6 years and 45+ million....please, let's hope it isn't Lou

 

[IslesNorway]

I am fairly certain I saw a headline earlier that Holtby is out for this year and will potentially need to retire.

Watch Lou sign him to a $5 million deal only to LTIR him to go over the cap...

 

[saintunspecified]

His 3 seasons before last year he scored 46 goals and had 66 assists in 180 games for a per82 of 21-30-51.

JOSH f***ING BAILEY over that same time had a 15-39-54...

Some team is going to give Kadri 6 years and 45+ million....please, let's hope it isn't Lou

I don't think anyone is going to give him 6y/8M aav. That said, the comparison is very poor. Bailey is a good transition player, is a good perimeter distributor, but does very little defensively. Kadri scores 20 goals going up against top competition. The comparable player on NYI's roster is Brock Nelson who makes 6AAV. Kadri absolutely should make 7. 4 years/28M AAV is ideally what he should receive. If NYI could do that, play him with Barzal, and shed one contract, I'd sign up. The problem is he'll certainly get offered, as you say, 2 more years.

The reason NYI should't go for Kadri is... Brock Nelson. The Rangers don't have that player - they need him way more. Ditto for Washington. I'm very curious about Trouchek this summer. He's very similar, but younger. He has a lot of opportunity.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Sorry if already posted. Regardless, this is insane if true. I give Friedman the benefit of the doubt here, but what GM treats an asset like that? Do they really think teams are going to blindly trade for a guy they can’t talk extension with?

 

[WangMustGo]

I hope the isles stay far away from Kane, we dont need a douchebag like him.

Sorry if already posted. Regardless, this is insane if true. I give Friedman the benefit of the doubt here, but what GM treats an asset like that? Do they really think teams are going to blindly trade for a guy they can’t talk extension with?

Makes no sense why Vancouver wouldnt allow Lou to talk extension with Miller. If anything Vancouver should want him to sign an extension with an eastern conference team. I hope Lou can find a way to land him if/when the big UFAs go elsewhere.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Go after Kadri and convert him to wing to play with barzal. no excuses not to pick up one winger this offseason

 

[SI90]

I hope the isles stay far away from Kane, we dont need a douchebag like him.


Makes no sense why Vancouver wouldnt allow Lou to talk extension with Miller. If anything Vancouver should want him to sign an extension with an eastern conference team. I hope Lou can find a way to land him if/when the big UFAs go elsewhere.

You also can potentially get more of a return in a trade for him if an extension is agreed-upon

 

[xECK29x]

Go after Kadri and convert him to wing to play with barzal. no excuses not to pick up one winger this offseason

I love Kadri and I'd fove for this to happen. Pageau seems to be made of glass so it woul;d be good to have a backup C.

 

[IslesNorway]

Giving Kadri a massive deal is gonna bite some team in the ass pretty hard. Hope it's not us

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I don't think anyone is going to give him 6y/8M aav. That said, the comparison is very poor. Bailey is a good transition player, is a good perimeter distributor, but does very little defensively. Kadri scores 20 goals going up against top competition. The comparable player on NYI's roster is Brock Nelson who makes 6AAV. Kadri absolutely should make 7. 4 years/28M AAV is ideally what he should receive. If NYI could do that, play him with Barzal, and shed one contract, I'd sign up. The problem is he'll certainly get offered, as you say, 2 more years.

The reason NYI should't go for Kadri is... Brock Nelson. The Rangers don't have that player - they need him way more. Ditto for Washington. I'm very curious about Trouchek this summer. He's very similar, but younger. He has a lot of opportunity.

First of all, it wasn't a complete player comparison of the two players, it was simply stating a FACT that Bailey has averaged more points per game the previous 3 years to Kadri....period.

No, I for one am not signing up for even 4 years and $28 million. If Nelson, the comparison you wanted to make and as you say makes 6 million (and using your "goals only formula"- as you stressed Kadri's "getting 20 goals against tough competition") has 106 goals over the last 4 years (a per 82 of 31.3) and Kadri has only 74 (a per 82 of 24.2- which includes his out of norm season)....why exactly does he deserve 7???

His defense? Nelson's block advantage more than makes up for Kadri's more aggressive style. And that is saying a lot considering how soft Brock plays...

No, I am not giving him more than Brock, maybe I'd go 4/24....and even then I might not since Nelson is a full year younger...

And btw 6/45 isn't 8per it is 7.5, which is a half a million more than you suggest in your argument.

But, I disagree....should Johnny G sign in the next two days, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Kadri get close to that 8 figure...

Giving Kadri a massive deal is gonna bite some team in the ass pretty hard. Hope it's not us

A common sense poster, they become more and more rare...

 

[CupHolders]

I'm not trying to convince him, just trying to understand what else he's looking at other than winning for evaluating a GM. Like I said, he loves a GM who didn't win and talks about him like he's a god, but Sakic actually wins and he's merely okay.

I'm with you though, it doesn't really matter whatever else was botched during his tenure, he just won and that's the whole point. It's not like he inherited someone else's roster to do it either.

Where I agree with Perf’s comment is that I don’t like Sakic’s goalie moves.

But yes, I can’t see much of a legitimate argument against someone winning a cup. You can make the argument that Sakic took the correct decision in strengthening other parts of the lineup to withstand goaltending.

Additionally, posters on this site tends to blur the lines between good-great and perfection with regards to GM and roster decisions.

I blame @MJF with starting this retool, rebuild, renovate, renew, retort, refuse etc. designation controversy.

MJF… Go to the box… two minutes… feel shame!