Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[IslandersFan17]

I find this intriguing because if they were indeed close, then I’d expect this could also be a possibility.
7/8 AAV for Miller could be what it will take.

I do wonder what the trade would look like -
Vancouver is desperate for a RHD - Mayfield is intriguing for them but would he sign an extension.
Wahlstrom and a protected 1st I’d assume would also be in the mix. Bailey or Beau could also be involved. Van is looking for speed so Beau would be of interest.

That’s if Miller does want to sign for term here. That’s the caveat and likely why any GM trading assets for a player would want to hammer that out first.

 

[Throttle]

We're already getting to the "oh good at least we got Nino neiderriter stage"....

I still think a pulock for a fwd trade coupled with resigning Mayfield would be a decent move

I would move Pulock for a F. Pulock is not worth his deal unless he's pumping out 40-50 pts minimum. Not a problem. Resign Mayfield long term at 4.25 AAV.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Miller is... for all case and purposes.... a difference maker....

Unlike Kadri, he has AVERAGED 30 goals the past three seasons and more importantly 88 points, which dwarfs what Nazem has done.

As a matter of fact he averaged over a point per game in Vancouver as they gave him 20 minutes of ice time and he took off. How many other NHL forwards have AVERAGED over a point per game over the last 3 seasons??? A dozen??

Also of course he is over two years younger, not turning 30 until March of next year.

Considering he is only making 5.25 million next season and if and only if he is willing to sign an extension (I am guessing 3/25 so he can enter free-agency once more at age 32, or even better would be a 6/50 deal- and yes I would even give him his full 7/56) of course you go get him. I would try and keep Wahlstrom and Raty as the + throw in, but hell ya I am trading for him...

As far as trading that 2023 1st rounder... I doubt the Islanders would have a better chance of getting a difference maker otherwise- so yes I would move it for him in a heartbeat...I mean we trade one of a Pageau, Palmieri and Romanov and somehow we don't want to trade it for a f***ing Miller? lol

I know it is supposed to be a great class, but seriously......what kind of player do you trade it for if not him???

To be able to unleash Barzal, actually give us a difference maker for once, I wouldn't hesitate...

He is exactly the type of player we should be shooting for and paying 7+ million for unlike Kadri....and yes, that even means the cost of assets...

 

[Throttle]

The general consensus here seems to be positive re: Gaudreau and negative re: Kadri. But, is it correct that CGY has offered Gaudreau $9.5M x 8 and he's dragging his feet? If he doesn't sign there, I assume he'd want that much (or more) x7 years wherever he does sign. That's a little scary to me.

People want Gaudreau no matter the cost because it will make them feel good the Isles got a premium UFA and also it may solve the Barzal problem. So, while some of its actual on ice performance, a bunch of it is emotional.

 

[saintunspecified]

I think once Gaudreau chooses his destination, the attention will focus to Miller and then Kadri.

One eye to keep a name on is David Perron. He's only ever signed contracts with St. Louis, but they don't have a lot of cap space and need to make sure they can re-sign O'Reilly, Kyrou, and Thomas next summer. He's aged like fine wine and would look really nice on Barzal's right side.

If there's anyone who is a western player, it's that guy. I think he'd fit in with the Isles about as well as he did on the Penguins, which was not at all.

Someone else mentioned D. Strome. No way. He'd be a drag.

IMO if it's the free agency route, NYI have two ways to go - get a center to play Barzal (Kadri, Trouchek), or get a winger with speed + strength (Mikheyev, Marchment). Purely on the ice, E. Kane would be a great fit. Getting a slower, skilled scorer doesn't move the needle imo. Given supply and demand, the winger route looks more likely.

 

[doublechili]

Yikes lol. I’d absolutely take strome at this point

CHI is letting him go because they don't want to qualify him. We already have too many forwards. I'd rather not allocate more salary space to a guy who's not a great skater and isn't necessarily an upgrade over what we already have on the wings. I'll pass and see if something better shakes loose.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

The general consensus here seems to be positive re: Gaudreau and negative re: Kadri. But, is it correct that CGY has offered Gaudreau $9.5M x 8 and he's dragging his feet? If he doesn't sign there, I assume he'd want that much (or more) x7 years wherever he does sign. That's a little scary to me.

Again, we aren't talking about a Kadri...we are talking about a difference maker.

I would be the first in line to offer Gaudreau 7/70 if he enters free-agency, cap space cleared be damned....

 

[periferal]

A lot of Lou-knocking goes on but he is in on almost everyone. Was in on Debrincat and Miller last week. Had at least on conversation about Kadri before he was traded to the Avs and is potentially there again. I am not sure how he would fit here.

How do you know he was in on Debrincat...And had a "conversation" (whatever that means) on Kadri?

I would move Pulock for a F. Pulock is not worth his deal unless he's pumping out 40-50 pts minimum. Not a problem. Resign Mayfield long term at 4.25 AAV.

I would absolutely trade Pulock for the right deal. Problem is he has a full no trade clause until 2027 (when it "drops" to a 16 team list).

Also unfortunately Lou doesn't trade roster players unless he's forced to.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

People want Gaudreau no matter the cost because it will make them feel good the Isles got a premium UFA and also it may solve the Barzal problem. So, while some of its actual on ice performance, a bunch of it is emotional.

feel good? lol

Or could it be we want our Islanders to be successful and actually put a difference maker next to our most talented player so he can also succeed.....instead of the same poop. Also, would hurt a little to see him leave and put up 100 points each season somewhere else because we couldn't get him a decent winger (and then we did get one or have one, not play them there)

Gaudreau has 609 points in 602 career games- that is over a point per game (1.01)

Here are Barzal's wings career point per games (who have gotten 175 minutes with him, the equivalent of about 20 games) in his career:

Eberle 0.69
Lee 0.61 (and we all know where he gets his goals)
Palmieri 0.58 (and he has hardly played with Barzal)
Bailey 0.56 (and we know he isn't a scorer, never reaching 20g in a season)
Beau 0.46 (showed promise but has hardly played with him last 3 seasons)
Komarov 0.35

So ya, we are emotionally asking for a little better than that lol

 

[crashthenet]

How do you know he was in on Debrincat...And had a "conversation" (whatever that means) on Kadri?




I would absolutely trade Pulock for the right deal. Problem is he has a full no trade clause until 2027 (when it "drops" to a 16 team list).

Also unfortunately Lou doesn't trade roster players unless he's forced to.

I read it on the HFBoards.

Don't you believe everything you read on Twitter or hear on 32 thoughts?

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

delete

 

[IslandersFan17]

CHI is letting him go because they don't want to qualify him. We already have too many forwards. I'd rather not allocate more salary space to a guy who's not a great skater and isn't necessarily an upgrade over what we already have on the wings. I'll pass and see if something better shakes loose.

Because Chicago has been a model franchise for player management as of late. They literally have been a major dumpster fire and yet that kid really turned it on in the second half.


Current day Strome>Beau

 

[periferal]

I read it on the HFBoards.

Don't you believe everything you read on Twitter or hear on 32 thoughts?

I'm going to assume this post was missing a

 

[WangMustGo]

The general consensus here seems to be positive re: Gaudreau and negative re: Kadri. But, is it correct that CGY has offered Gaudreau $9.5M x 8 and he's dragging his feet? If he doesn't sign there, I assume he'd want that much (or more) x7 years wherever he does sign. That's a little scary to me.

He will get a high AAV on the open market, but he might not want to live in Calgary anymore. Those winters have to be long and painful.

 

[doublechili]

Because Chicago has been a model franchise for player management as of late. They literally have been a major dumpster fire and yet that kid really turned it on in the second half.


Current day Strome>Beau

We'll have to disagree on this one. I feel like the Isles need to upgrade their speed on the wings. I would not want to swap out a fast wing (Beau) for a slower one (Strome).

 

[doublechili]

He will get a high AAV on the open market, but he might not want to live in Calgary anymore. Those winters have to be long and painful.

Could be. But if he turns down 8x $9.5M, I can't see him taking less than 7x $9.5M. Okay, maybe 7x $9M if he really wants to be in Philly or something. But if you look at $8-10M salaries around the league some are great players worth every penny, and others are millstones around their franchise's neck. You just have to be really careful. Even some NYR fans grumbled about Panarin after the playoffs ended and he didn't live up to his salary when it really counted.

 

[IslandersFan17]

We'll have to disagree on this one. I feel like the Isles need to upgrade their speed on the wings. I would not want to swap out a fast wing (Beau) for a slower one (Strome).

Speed doesn’t matter if you aren’t utilizing it.

 

[crashthenet]

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[doublechili]

Speed doesn’t matter if you aren’t utilizing it.

Okay, but that doesn't mean you actively seek out more slowness.

 

[WangMustGo]

Could be. But if he turns down 8x $9.5M, I can't see him taking less than 7x $9.5M. Okay, maybe 7x $9M if he really wants to be in Philly or something. But if you look at $8-10M salaries around the league some are great players worth every penny, and others are millstones around their franchise's neck. You just have to be really careful. Even some NYR fans grumbled about Panarin after the playoffs ended and he didn't live up to his salary when it really counted.

Absolutely. If you sign a player for 9+ million you are gutting your depth somewhere.

Personally id love Gaudreau, but the player i want most is Nichushkin, who will probably be resigned before we ever get a chance.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Absolutely. If you sign a player for 9+ million you are gutting your depth somewhere.

Personally id love Gaudreau, but the player i want most is Nichushkin, who will probably be resigned before we ever get a chance.

so now we dont want any difference maker if he is making over 9 million??

hahaha

 

[Throttle]

feel good? lol

Or could it be we want our Islanders to be successful and actually put a difference maker next to our most talented player so he can also succeed.....instead of the same poop. Also, would hurt a little to see him leave and put up 100 points each season somewhere else because we couldn't get him a decent winger (and then we did get one or have one, not play them there)

Gaudreau has 609 points in 602 career games- that is over a point per game (1.01)

Here are Barzal's wings career point per games (who have gotten 175 minutes with him, the equivalent of about 20 games) in his career:

Eberle 0.69
Lee 0.61 (and we all know where he gets his goals)
Palmieri 0.58 (and he has hardly played with Barzal)
Bailey 0.56 (and we know he isn't a scorer, never reaching 20g in a season)
Beau 0.46 (showed promise but has hardly played with him last 3 seasons)
Komarov 0.35

So ya, we are emotionally asking for a little better than that lol

You could want all you want for a premium UFA to sign with the Isles. However, history to date in the UFA-era shows otherwise.

If anyone is going to pull it off for NYI, then it is going to be Lou. He snagged Kovy from Atlanta for a bunch of nothing burgers, then resigned him in NJ of all places. He has cache and clout whether fans want to believe it or not.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Okay, but that doesn't mean you actively seek out more slowness.

The kid could skate backwards for all I care he is producing and playing well despite a really poor situation in Chicago.

I understand the sentiment behind what you are saying, but talent doesn’t always have to be fast. A lot of players in this league have succeeded without being the most fleet of foot.

 

[doublechili]

The kid could skate backwards for all I care he is producing and playing well despite a really poor situation in Chicago.

I understand the sentiment behind what you are saying, but talent doesn’t always have to be fast. A lot of players in this league have succeeded without being the most fleet of foot.

I get what you're saying too. Hey, if Lou signs Strome I'll be hoping I eat my words.

 

[seabass45]

Well if nothing else, I’m excited that in two days, Pulock’s NTC will kick in and we can put aside the trade talk for a bit. He’s not going anywhere.