Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Throttle]

Kane is a talent, but too much noise around him. He's a guy that should be on a short leash of one year deals, so you can cut bait easily. Doubful Lou brings him in. LMAO at any GM intentionally giving him a multi-year deal.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

Kane is a talent, but too much noise around him. He's a guy that should be on a short leash of one year deals, so you can cut bait easily. Doubful Lou brings him in. LMAO at any GM intentionally giving him a multi-year deal.

If Lou needs a kane, I am hoping he hooks one loose from the Windy City

 

[Throttle]

Where I agree with Perf’s comment is that I don’t like Sakic’s goalie moves.

But yes, I can’t see much of a legitimate argument against someone winning a cup. You can make the argument that Sakic took the correct decision in strengthening other parts of the lineup to withstand goaltending.

Additionally, posters on this site tends to blur the lines between good-great and perfection with regards to GM and roster decisions.

I blame @MJF with starting this retool, rebuild, renovate, renew, retort, refuse etc. designation controversy.

MJF… Go to the box… two minutes… feel shame!

He wanted flexibility in G. He did not want to commit long term to Grubauer. Acquired Kuemper to be his Osgood. He got that and won. Maybe he still believes in Francousz. The Georgiev deal is a wildcard, but he seems to want to control costs in net. He certainly has spent a lot of picks on getting goalies though over the years. 2nd for Grubs, 1st for Kuemper, and 2 3rds and 1 5th for George.

If Lou needs a kane, I am hoping he hooks one loose from the Windy City

I would go after that Kane all day long.

 

[WangMustGo]

You also can potentially get more of a return in a trade for him if an extension is agreed-upon

Seems like horrible asset management all around by Vancouver, unless they are resigning him.

 

[Throttle]

Ugh.

When I keep reading this, I have to ask is this a personal preference or a jab at Lou's incompetence?

Q1: Who here wants the Islanders to sign Kadri?

Q2: How much do you think he signs for in free-agency? And then, if Gaudreau re-signs in the next 48 hours, how much do you think he signs for then?

Before answering, remember this is a guy who will be 32 right when the next season is starting and is going to get SERIOUSLY PAID for his "out of norm" 87-point season.

Also before answering, remember that before this last season:

1) Number of times he scored 80 points in a season: 0
2) Number of times he scored 70 points in a season: 0
3) Number of times he scored 60 points in a season: 1 (61, and it took all 82 games to do it)

His 3 seasons before last year he scored 46 goals and had 66 assists in 180 games for a per82 of 21-30-51.

JOSH f***ING BAILEY over that same time had a 15-39-54...

Some team is going to give Kadri 6 years and 45+ million....please, let's hope it isn't Lou

He produced on TOR and COL. For those that are saying his numbers are inflated due to the COL offense, well, isn't this supposed to be a guy that some certain 'potential' on this team would benefit from? He's proven on it two different teams already. He's also a known commodity to Lou.

So, IF Kadri is the only player that is willing to sign with NYI as a UFA, then do you do it? [Remember, you can keep all your fancy picks/prospects]. He's just money and cap hit.

[and yes, I would take Kadri for free as a UFA because he will make this team better]

 

[CupHolders]

He wanted flexibility in G. He did not want to commit long term to Grubauer. Acquired Kuemper to be his Osgood. He got that and won. Maybe he still believes in Francousz. The Georgiev deal is a wildcard, but he seems to want to control costs in net. He certainly has spent a lot of picks on getting goalies though over the years. 2nd for Grubs, 1st for Kuemper, and 2 3rds and 1 5th for George.


I would go after that Kane all day long.

Agree. And to add, the newer analytics school of thought “seemingly” doesn’t put as much stock into committing to goalies in term or cost.

In two cases where organizations have followed similar paths… Colorado it has worked, on Toronto it has not.

EDIT: Just wanted to add, that what I wrote shouldn’t be taken as my agreement of those team building choices. I actually prefer Lou’s history on goalie decisions. Even Schneider from Vancouver, who unfortunately was derailed by injuries.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Anyone know if Andrew Ladd is retiring or not? Reason I ask is the listed condition in his trade off the Island. If he plays one game next season for the Yotes, they get our 3rd rd pick. Strange condition, if true.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

He produced on TOR and COL. For those that are saying his numbers are inflated due to the COL offense, well, isn't this supposed to be a guy that some certain 'potential' on this team would benefit from? He's proven on it two different teams already. He's also a known commodity to Lou.

So, IF Kadri is the only player that is willing to sign with NYI as a UFA, then do you do it? [Remember, you can keep all your fancy picks/prospects]. He's just money and cap hit.

[and yes, I would take Kadri for free as a UFA because he will make this team better]

I set my base for him since he will be 32 years old the same week the new season starts...

4/24, then sure I am signing him. But no, I don't want that contract (even at 6 million) when he is 36 and 37 years old (5 or 6 year deal, which he is likely going to get)...

And ya, he got back to back 32 goal seasons in Toronto, full seasons where he only missed one game.

But he AVERAGED only 19 goals in the other FOUR seasons with the Leafs and of course he only AVERAGED 21 goals in his other TWO seasons with the Avalanche....

So did he really produce with both of them?? Or, did he produce 33% of the time lol

Hard pass

 

[seafoam]

I'd prefer Miller over Kadri but I can't see Miller interested in signing an extension here over NYR. Kadri would at least listen to what NYI has to offer because he played with Lamoriello in Toronto.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Dylan Strome 2M flier deal as a fallback, yes or no?

 

[Throttle]

I set my base for him since he will be 32 years old the same week the new season starts...

4/24, then sure I am signing him. But no, I don't want that contract (even at 6 million) when he is 36 and 37 years old (5 or 6 year deal, which he is likely going to get)...

And ya, he got back to back 32 goal seasons in Toronto, full seasons where he only missed one game.

But he AVERAGED only 19 goals in the other FOUR seasons with the Leafs and of course he only AVERAGED 21 goals in his other TWO seasons with the Avalanche....

So did the really produce with both of them?? Or, did he produce 33% of the time lol

Hard pass

I think you can see some teams are not caring about the later years in these deals because (a) the cap will go up, (b) not an issue in winning now, and (c) most importantly, there's been a market every year whether trade, LTIR, etc. to move the backend of ugly deals.

Do I think Kadri is the answer? No. However, I also understand NYIs limitations on acquiring UFAs. Absent sending valuable assets the other direction, then I would rather sign an overpaid UFA guy that helps now. Figure it out later.

 

[xECK29x]

Dylan Strome 2M flier deal as a fallback, yes or no?

$1m

 

[Throttle]

I'd prefer Miller over Kadri but I can't see Miller interested in signing an extension here over NYR. Kadri would at least listen to what NYI has to offer because he played with Lamoriello in Toronto.

I would take an overpaid UFA Kadri vs. an asset acquired Miller (if those assets are 2023 1st, Raty, etc.). If the 'Nucks want Wilde, Bailey, and something else because the market dried up, well, bye bye.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I think you can see some teams are not caring about the later years in these deals because (a) the cap will go up, (b) not an issue in winning now, and (c) most importantly, there's been a market every year whether trade, LTIR, etc. to move the backend of ugly deals.

Do I think Kadri is the answer? No. However, I also understand NYIs limitations on acquiring UFAs. Absent sending valuable assets the other direction, then I would rather sign an overpaid UFA guy that helps now. Figure it out later.

I would rather sign 2-3 Zach Parise's for a single year or a young player (you know on the right side of 30) who has upside and may only need a change of scenery for half the years and cost...

This philosophy is exactly why our roster is full of 40-50 pt players making 5+ million a season and we never have the cap space to sign guys who are actually worth 7-10 million a year; you know actual difference makers; nor can we trade said 40-50 pt players who are overpaid...

Kadri, especially considering what he is likely to get in this market, even more so if he is the headliner (and he will be if the Flames ink Gaudreau in the next 40 hours) would be a colossal mistake....

 

[SI]

Ugh.

When I keep reading this, I have to ask is this a personal preference or a jab at Lou's incompetence?

Q1: Who here wants the Islanders to sign Kadri?

Q2: How much do you think he signs for in free-agency? And then, if Gaudreau re-signs in the next 48 hours, how much do you think he signs for then?

Before answering, remember this is a guy who will be 32 right when the next season is starting and is going to get SERIOUSLY PAID for his "out of norm" 87-point season.

Also before answering, remember that before this last season:

1) Number of times he scored 80 points in a season: 0
2) Number of times he scored 70 points in a season: 0
3) Number of times he scored 60 points in a season: 1 (61, and it took all 82 games to do it)

His 3 seasons before last year he scored 46 goals and had 66 assists in 180 games for a per82 of 21-30-51.

JOSH f***ING BAILEY over that same time had a 15-39-54...

Some team is going to give Kadri 6 years and 45+ million....please, let's hope it isn't Lou

None of this is personal preference. I'd prefer Miller over Kadri, but Miller means assets.
I don't believe Gaudreau is an option and the other free agents are meh.
I posted the other day that I believe there will be no move to upgrade the F's
BUT
IF there is a free agent splash I THINK it could be Kadri.
Lou connection.
He is a specific type of player - players who will play hard and go thru walls for you.
Bailey is not the same player and you can point to production but this game is won beyond goals.

Kadri, can take FO, be a strong presence on the W, yet his age is a concern, I think it simply means a 5 to 6 year deal... 7ish AAV, can't see it being higher than that.

 

[seafoam]

I think once Gaudreau chooses his destination, the attention will focus to Miller and then Kadri.

One eye to keep a name on is David Perron. He's only ever signed contracts with St. Louis, but they don't have a lot of cap space and need to make sure they can re-sign O'Reilly, Kyrou, and Thomas next summer. He's aged like fine wine and would look really nice on Barzal's right side.

 

[doublechili]

Dylan Strome 2M flier deal as a fallback, yes or no?

Fallback for what - if we can't get an elite top line player? I like what we have now better than Strome.

 

[Throttle]

I would rather sign 2-3 Zach Parise's for a single year or a young player (you know on the right side of 30) who has upside and may only need a change of scenery for half the years and cost...

This philosophy is exactly why our roster is full of 40-50 pt players making 5+ million a season and we never have the cap space to sign guys who are actually worth 7-10 million a year; you know actual difference makers; nor can we trade said 40-50 pt players who are overpaid...

Kadri, especially considering what he is likely to get in this market, even more so if he is the headliner (and he will be if the Flames ink Gaudreau in the next 40 hours) would be a colossal mistake....

That's fair. The Isles are not there yet as a franchise that will (a) attract premium UFAs, and (b) guys that are worth 7-10M, so it's not something one should wait around for to happen. Last year, they finally entered the 21st century in modern sports to give them a chance.

Unfortunately, the Isles need to draft and luck into a generational franchise player to elevate the franchise to that level. Until that happens, the Isles will have to overpay the average to better than average UFA talent, trade to acquire it, or wait and hope on the draft.

 

[SI]

Sorry if already posted. Regardless, this is insane if true. I give Friedman the benefit of the doubt here, but what GM treats an asset like that? Do they really think teams are going to blindly trade for a guy they can’t talk extension with?

I find this intriguing because if they were indeed close, then I’d expect this could also be a possibility.
7/8 AAV for Miller could be what it will take.

I do wonder what the trade would look like -
Vancouver is desperate for a RHD - Mayfield is intriguing for them but would he sign an extension.
Wahlstrom and a protected 1st I’d assume would also be in the mix. Bailey or Beau could also be involved. Van is looking for speed so Beau would be of interest.

 

[crashthenet]

Seems like horrible asset management all around by Vancouver, unless they are resigning him.

I have to assume this was the goal.

 

[SI]

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I think once Gaudreau chooses his destination, the attention will focus to Miller and then Kadri.

One eye to keep a name on is David Perron. He's only ever signed contracts with St. Louis, but they don't have a lot of cap space and need to make sure they can re-sign O'Reilly, Kyrou, and Thomas next summer. He's aged like fine wine and would look really nice on Barzal's right side.

I believe Perron is a slam dunk to resign.

 

[TeamKidd]

We're already getting to the "oh good at least we got Nino neiderriter stage"....

I still think a pulock for a fwd trade coupled with resigning Mayfield would be a decent move

 

[crashthenet]

A lot of Lou-knocking goes on but he is in on almost everyone. Was in on Debrincat and Miller last week. Had at least on conversation about Kadri before he was traded to the Avs and is potentially there again. I am not sure how he would fit here.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Fallback for what - if we can't get an elite top line player? I like what we have now better than Strome.

Yikes lol. I’d absolutely take strome at this point

 

[doublechili]

The general consensus here seems to be positive re: Gaudreau and negative re: Kadri. But, is it correct that CGY has offered Gaudreau $9.5M x 8 and he's dragging his feet? If he doesn't sign there, I assume he'd want that much (or more) x7 years wherever he does sign. That's a little scary to me.