Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[periferal]

I'd honestly roll the dice on Kane even as a rental. If CHI is willing to eat half his salary AND take back Bailey, to the point where it's essentially an even cap swap, I'd pay a premium to make it happen.

The problem is that Chicago would ABSOLUTELY want the 2023 1st for Kane - Rental or not. I don't want to trade that '23 1st under almost any circumstance, but if it had to go then retaining the player acquired for at least 3-4 years would be MANDATORY.

It is insanely clear that the Hawks are all-in for Bedard, so they will want as many picks in the (loaded) 2023 draft as possible. And they barely have anything left to trade but Kane so they'll be asking for the moon for him.

 

[blinkman360]

The problem is that Chicago would ABSOLUTELY want the 2023 1st for Kane - Rental or not. I don't want to trade that '23 1st under almost any circumstance, but if it had to go then retaining the player acquired for at least 3-4 years would be MANDATORY.

It is insanely clear that the Hawks are all-in for Bedard, so they will want as many picks in the (loaded) 2023 draft as possible. And they barely have anything left to trade but Kane so they'll be asking for the moon for him.

I'm willing to do it. I think it would be an easier pill to swallow if...say...we were open to moving Varly? And could potentially pry a 1st away from a contender. With Kane I highly doubt we're in a position to draft Bedard, especially with the new lottery layout, but still I get what you're saying. Watching Chicago draft a stud(even not Bedard) while we're preparing to watch Kane walk away would definitely sting.

I guess the problem is that any forward worth trading for at this point is most likely going to cost that draft pick, at the very least. Kane is easily the most attractive target as far as I'm concerned, so yeah while getting a deal worked out in advance would be best-case scenario, I'd still roll the dice even without it.

 

[danteipp]

Toronto did it with Pajamas. Worked out well for their playoff hopes.

I was thinking of Toronto and the Rags, with their pursuit of Panarin, too.

Panarin was an absolute luxury for the Raggies, who only seemingly got involved to spite the Isles/save face with their fans.

Gorton used a ton of cap space on Bread, who was redundant to Kreider, Buchnevich (who Drury then sold for $0.25 on the dollar), Laff, etc. at one of the LEAST valuable positions on the ice in LW.

I could kind of understand if they signed Panarin and then a year later opted to draft a center like Byfield or Stuetzle over Laff, or even traded the No. 1 OA in order to get the young 2C they desperately need.

You can also argue that they should have gotten significantly more for Buchnevich, ideally a quality top-4 defenseman, even if they had to add a little.

People talk about wasted assets/value and the Rags have burnt a lot of capital, seemingly making the wrong move almost every time throughout their rebuild.

 

[SI90]

My hope was that Lou was trying to boost Varly's value by saying he's not going to part with him, but that's probably wishful thinking. All I know is, having two #1G is all well and good, but when you are straddling the cap ceiling and have a massive need on the 1st line, as well as an offensive D(according to our GM), I don't see how you can't not AT LEAST listen to offers on Varly. Like you said, the market is in our favor. Our system is trash and we need the space, seems like a win/win. Strengthen our system while bumping $5M off the books.

That’s my issue. In a perfect world we’d be able to keep Varly and probably have the best tandem in the league. The problem is we need to once and for all land a big fish who we can count on to score goals.

Id try to trade Varly to help open up some room and then go hard after Patty Kane or Taresenko via trade.

I don’t want to be in a bidding war for Gudreau and end up wasting time and energy being used to drive up the price ala Panarin.

I can’t believe with the moves the Hawks have made that Kane wouldn’t have a price.

Taresenko may be different because I could see the blues wanting to keep him.

The 2023 draft is ridiculously deep. 1st round picks for next year should be significantly with more than in other years.

 

[Throttle]

I know Lou doesn’t want to trade Varly and I understand why. The goalie market right now is shrinking with less and less legit starting goalies. I’d say Varley is actually the best of them all. If we could find a good back up and would move Varly that would help us cap why is a lot. He only has a year left on this deal anyway.

He was the answer for the trade Varly crowd...guess that's gone.

 

[SI90]

Wow. Seems like WSH is letting Samsonov become a UFA. Trade Varly and sign him as a backup unless a desperate team gives him starter money.

Edit: He might not be healthy. But if he is don’t forget Mitch Korn had him as a Prospect.

 

[Throttle]

My hope was that Lou was trying to boost Varly's value by saying he's not going to part with him, but that's probably wishful thinking. All I know is, having two #1G is all well and good, but when you are straddling the cap ceiling and have a massive need on the 1st line, as well as an offensive D(according to our GM), I don't see how you can't not AT LEAST listen to offers on Varly. Like you said, the market is in our favor. Our system is trash and we need the space, seems like a win/win. Strengthen our system while bumping $5M off the books.

Maybe he is, however, probably not a good idea to sell Varly, then not have the F secured. People are treating the F as a given, if Varly is traded.

Wow. Seems like WSH is letting Samsonov become a UFA. Trade vary and sign him as a backup unless a desperate team gives him starter money.

Osgood is going there. I mean Kuemper.

 

[CupHolders]

Holy crap. Another surprising non-tendered player. Now Washington has NO goalies. I wouldn’t mind Samsonov as a backup. Provided the goalie coaches think they can make something of him.

A year or two of quality backup, then flip him for pick to a team looking for a new starter.

 

[SI90]

Holy crap. Another surprising non-tendered player. Now Washington has NO goalies. I wouldn’t mind Samsonov as a backup. Provided the goalie coaches think they can make something of him.

A year or two of quality backup, then flip him for pick to a team looking for a new starter.

Mitch Korn knows him well. Lou would lean on him for any info.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

I really don't understand this from Washington at all. Even if they sign Kuemper, at least qualify him to retain his rights, unless they know something we don't know.

 

[IslandersFan17]

Holy crap. Another surprising non-tendered player. Now Washington has NO goalies. I wouldn’t mind Samsonov as a backup. Provided the goalie coaches think they can make something of him.

A year or two of quality backup, then flip him for pick to a team looking for a new starter.

 

[Throttle]

I really don't understand this from Washington at all. Even if they sign Kuemper, at least qualify him to retain his rights, unless they know something we don't know.

Isn't he in Ovy's inner circle of players? Seems like they want to break up the comfy club. No one wants Samsonov at $4M, hence, why they let him go. Dwindling cap space league-wide makes for interesting decisions.

This is also another warning to those looking to trade Varly and just go with Sorokin/Scrub backup. Samsonov was their guy but was unchallenged and unsupported in net and folded. Look to PHI for the same problem.

 

[leeroggy]

What about our RFA's? Any updates?

 

[SI]

If Gaudreau signs with PHI, I would be calling up Fletcher to see what the cost would be to acquire Sanheim…

Pelech-Dobson
Sanheim-Pulock
Romanov-Mayfield

Lets be honest, there’s a slim-to-none chance that NYI signs Gaudreau, but they may be able to take advantage of the fallout from another team signing him.

This is essentially having 6 top 4 d- there are only so minutes-
Dobson, Pulock and Pelech should be logging in 22 min a game. Romanov 20 and Mayfield about 18- your 6th guy needs to fill in the rest.

 

[IslandersFan17]

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

He was the answer for the trade Varly crowd...guess that's gone.

I got Greiss coming back and have never thought Holtby was a realistic option...

 

[IslandersFan17]

Sign him to play with Barzal

 

[CupHolders]

Isn't he in Ovy's inner circle of players? Seems like they want to break up the comfy club. No one wants Samsonov at $4M, hence, why they let him go. Dwindling cap space league-wide makes for interesting decisions.

This is also another warning to those looking to trade Varly and just go with Sorokin/Scrub backup. Samsonov was their guy but was unchallenged and unsupported in net and folded. Look to PHI for the same problem.

I don’t have any sources to suggest in or outer circle. But Ovechkin has been seen tearing into Samsonov during games because of poor decisions. There were also rumors that the Caps were not keen on his maturity.

With that said, I trust any goalie personnel decisions to Lou and his staff. That is something he has been consistently good at.

If they think Samsonov is a possibility, then it should be considered. If not, then move along to the next decision that needs to be made.

 

[MJF]

 

[SI]

Sign him to play with Barzal

Bring the kid home!

 

[Throttle]

I got Greiss coming back and have never thought Holtby was a realistic option...

He really struggled last year. That's a wild card one.

 

[IslandersFan17]

 

[YearlyLottery]

Is Samsonov actually good? I was under the impression he had a really bad injury and has not been good since then.

 

[periferal]

....Well that and one particular team going all-in for Bedard.

 

[Lights911]

Sign him to play with Barzal

Would love to see Lou bring him in.