Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[periferal]

I think we could still lose our 2023 3rd to Arizona in that Ladd deal.

Forgot the exact condition.

Why do you have to ruin my buzz...?



As long as Ladd plays ONE (1) game for the Coyotes this year we keep the 2023 3rd.

My guess is Palmieri plus the 23 1st for an RFA forward

Palmieri has a full NTC for another season (then it becomes a partial NTC).

 

[mm11]

I haven't seen this mention and this may be unpopular but I don't think Matt Martin is guaranteed by any stretch to be on the NHL roster out of camp next year. He had 7 points in 71 games last year and IMO his game is not what it was a few years back. The MC^2 line struggled last year due to a number of reasons but I believe that line performed better with Bellows or Johnston in rather than Martin. Everyone loves Matty Marts but with that style of play at 33 with all that wear and tear, I would not be surprised to see him being the odd man out to start the season. Trotz was partial to the vets, not sure if they will get a free pass going forward. Not saying we don't see him next year at some point but out of camp could see him sent to Bridgeport.

huge MM fan, kid came out of Sarnia hitting and never stopped. I would think Matty would be the first to admit his time NHL time is limited. One thing is for sure, he will give it a go come October

 

[periferal]

I’m sure you’ll get a different answer from others, but personally I’m pretty leery about giving up a first in what’s projecting to be a historically deep draft, AND giving up one of our top prospects in a league-bottom prospect pool. We haven’t had a first round pick since 2019 - if we were to move the 2023 pick, not sure I’d want it to be for someone pushing mid-30s, no matter how good Kane still is.

I totally agree with this, but it begs the bigger question...


Are we going for the Cup with this group...Or are we just going to tread water until a rebuild is necessary?


Because if you want to go for a Cup then you go trade for someone like Patrick Kane. He isn't just an elite/superstar player, he's a HOF player still playing at a "prime" level. You want to see Barzal quiet his detractors here...? Go put Patrick Kane on his wing and watch the magic.

I'm totally fine keep the 2023 1st (and 2rd, 3rd, etc), but let's just be honest....This team isn't winning a Cup as is. Romanov alone doesn't move the needle. More (BIG) moves a necessary to solidify the D and improve the top-end scoring (and thus PP).

And by the way...No chance of trading for Patrick Kane (or any other 7M+ player) unless significant salary is moved out, so pretty shocking/very annoying if Lou is unwilling to trade an unnecessary pending UFA in 2023 to get a good asset and clear out 5M in cap space. I swear if he walks for nothing next summer...

Literal WTF...? Strome is a 20/30 guy making 3M/season. The Hawks are just throwing him back in the river for zero.

I mean there's tanking for Bedard...And then there's crashing your team's plane in the Amazon so they can't even play.

This is next level tanking, and the Blackhawks literally don't care who knows it.

 

[TeamKidd]

Edit. Nevermind.

 

[periferal]

I hate the credit Sakic gets. He's ok, but he's being made out to be Bill Torrey. The dude ain't that great. This move was terrible.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Lmao

This is truly hilarious. Dumbass let Andersen go, he goes to Carolina puts up Zezina caliber numbers at 4+M per. Only injury did not make this mistake look worse. Signs Mrzak, trades a first to get rid of Mrzak. Now talks have intensified for Murray due to I suspect Campbell may already have a team lined up and your tweet above. Kyle Dumbass has put on a clinique on how not to manage a NHL hockey team. The guy is a fraud stick boy.

 

[periferal]

Lmao

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I see Josh Anderson's name in thread Title, which made me think are we trading Josh Bailey for him? This is the kind of deal I would expect. Contract for contract that Lou would be interested in.

 

[Taswell]

IMO I’d rather just give Holmstrom a shot to be honest.

Ill take a big body that we a deficient in up front who put up 36 in 65 over someone with no NHL experience

 

[Lights911]

I hate the credit Sakic gets. He's ok, but he's being made out to be Bill Torrey. The dude ain't that great. This move was terrible.

Calling Sakic "ok" is a bit unexpected from a guy who goes on and on about how important management is and how teams need to hit on draft picks/trades. Personally, I'll trust Sakic's judgement on this deal because he has been proven to be right time and time again.

 

[seafoam]

RIP the GOAT

 

[scott99]

I totally agree with this, but it begs the bigger question...


Are we going for the Cup with this group...Or are we just going to tread water until a rebuild is necessary?


Because if you want to go for a Cup then you go trade for someone like Patrick Kane. He isn't just an elite/superstar player, he's a HOF player still playing at a "prime" level. You want to see Barzal quiet his detractors here...? Go put Patrick Kane on his wing and watch the magic.

I'm totally fine keep the 2023 1st (and 2rd, 3rd, etc), but let's just be honest....This team isn't winning a Cup as is. Romanov alone doesn't move the needle. More (BIG) moves a necessary to solidify the D and improve the top-end scoring (and thus PP).

And by the way...No chance of trading for Patrick Kane (or any other 7M+ player) unless significant salary is moved out, so pretty shocking/very annoying if Lou is unwilling to trade an unnecessary pending UFA in 2023 to get a good asset and clear out 5M in cap space. I swear if he walks for nothing next summer...




Literal WTF...? Strome is a 20/30 guy making 3M/season. The Hawks are just throwing him back in the river for zero.

I mean there's tanking for Bedard...And then there's crashing your team's plane in the Amazon so they can't even play.

This is next level tanking, and the Blackhawks literally don't care who knows it.

He’s pretty much a bust. So many guys drafted AFTER him are so much better. He was 3rd overall. Marner picked right after him. For a 3rd overall, he’s been traded once already, and now cut. There’s no there, there, he is who he is. A decent player, but not very good or great. I wouldn’t pay him big money. Maybe 2.5 mill a year as a show me contract.

 

[seafoam]

IMO I’d rather just give Holmstrom a shot to be honest.

Holmstrom is a different type of player, but I’m hoping he pushes for a spot at some point next season.

He looked good in my viewings of him late last season.

Skates well, good IQ, has a good stick.

He’s pretty much a bust. So many guys drafted AFTER him are so much better. He was 3rd overall. Marner picked right after him. For a 3rd overall, he’s been traded once already, and now cut. There’s no there, there, he is who he is. A decent player, but not very good or great. I wouldn’t pay him big money. Maybe 2.5 mill a year as a show me contract.

And at that price/point, he doesn’t move the needle for NYI (who has depth but not high end players).

I’d much rather pay less for a guy like Blackwell who can skate, put the put in the net, and PK effectively.

 

[PWJunior]

This is truly hilarious. Dumbass let Andersen go, he goes to Carolina puts up Zezina caliber numbers at 4+M per. Only injury did not make this mistake look worse. Signs Mrzak, trades a first to get rid of Mrzak. Now talks have intensified for Murray due to I suspect Campbell may already have a team lined up and your tweet above. Kyle Dumbass has put on a clinique on how not to manage a NHL hockey team. The guy is a fraud stick boy.

I'm mystified by the Leaf fans who still defend Dubas with passion, they are the most deluded morons I've ever seen.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

The thing with Kadri is someone (especially if Johnny G re-signs before FA opens and he becomes the defacto #1 offseason get) is going to really ante up for that 87 points in 71 games career year.

I mean it wouldn't surprise me to see him get 8 million and 6 years.

That's about 3 million and 2 more years than I want to pay...

So to put it nicely...no, even if they do trade Bailey and clear the 5 million, I want no part of a guy who scored over 60 points once before this last season at that contract...

 

[SI90]

RIP the GOAT

I have the same birthday as him. It’s in 2 days. And he died on my brothers birthday. We’re also from the same hometown. Freeport

I'm mystified by the Leaf fans who still defend Dubas with passion, they are the most deluded morons I've ever seen.

Don’t let Shanny off the hook either. He basically ok’s all these moves.

 

[seafoam]

I have the same birthday as him. It’s in 2 days. And he died on my brothers birthday. We’re also from the same hometown. Freeport


Don’t let Shanny off the hook either. He basically ok’s all these moves.

That’s crazy, it’s really weird to think he’s gone. It was way too soon.

 

[SayItAintSoJohnny]

I see Josh Anderson's name in thread Title, which made me think are we trading Josh Bailey for him? This is the kind of deal I would expect. Contract for contract that Lou would be interested in.

Yes for a team struggling to score goals, let's trade a 50 pt player for someone who doesn't even average 37....

and of course pay said player 5.5 million per for the next 5 years...yippee!!!

I dont know how the dude got on the title of this thread, but whomever put him on there should be fired immediately.

The only thing worse than signing Kadri to 6 years and 45+ million would be taking on Anderson's 5 years and 27.5 million....

 

[Wanderson]

This is truly hilarious. Dumbass let Andersen go, he goes to Carolina puts up Zezina caliber numbers at 4+M per. Only injury did not make this mistake look worse. Signs Mrzak, trades a first to get rid of Mrzak. Now talks have intensified for Murray due to I suspect Campbell may already have a team lined up and your tweet above. Kyle Dumbass has put on a clinique on how not to manage a NHL hockey team. The guy is a fraud stick boy.

Don’t forget when he signed Harri Säteri from the KHL just to lose him on waivers to Phoenix the day after.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'm mystified by the Leaf fans who still defend Dubas with passion, they are the most deluded morons I've ever seen.

I have the same birthday as him. It’s in 2 days. And he died on my brothers birthday. We’re also from the same hometown. Freeport


Don’t let Shanny off the hook either. He basically ok’s all these moves.

Yep, I don't get it either. I suspect he will be defended until he is eventually fired. The guy inherited a 105 pt team with 28M+ in capspace 5 years ago, and has not won 1 playoff rd, squandered draft picks, negotiated him self in to a cap crunch where he had to unload depth, and in year 5 spent a first rd pick to get out of a bad signing only to now be left with no choice but to pursue Murray as a Goalie. If this was the case, should have kept Mrazak. BTW Murray has been injured 7 times since moving to Ottawa. Sound familiar? Part of me is going to miss this baffoon when he is sacked. He has provided a lot of entertainment to me since he took over for Lou. Lou 6 post season series wins, Dufoos 0. And the ironic part of it all, you know deep down inside the Dubisites know Lou would have won a playoff rd or 2 had Shanahan not errored also. You are right SI90, he is not blameless here. Fun watching anyway huh? LOL

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Yes for a team struggling to score goals, let's trade a 50 pt player for someone who doesn't even average 37....

and of course pay said player 5.5 million per for the next 5 years...yippee!!!

I dont know how the dude got on the title of this thread, but whomever put him on there should be fired immediately.

The only thing worse than signing Kadri to 6 years and 45+ million would be taking on Anderson's 5 years and 27.5 million....

Yeah, I am thinking he and Barzal had some shifts together at the Worlds. Also I like Anderson's physical game at bringing us back to the hard to play against team we were. The only trade off I don't like is the extra 3 years. But I think Anderson can bring something for Bailey's 2 years at 5M more to this team. Agreed not perfect, but at this point, I think this is the type of deal that Lou can only do without adding to the cap or trading assets for cap relief. Swapping contracts for better player fits. One thing I know Lou is good at, is gauging team chemistry. IE Komarov. This is an intrinsic value part of team building that is often overlooked. I thought we were missing that last year. Maybe we can steal it back.

 

[The Wahligator]

This just screams Lou.

 

[SI90]

I think keefe might have been Murrays coach too.

 

[crashthenet]

huge MM fan, kid came out of Sarnia hitting and never stopped. I would think Matty would be the first to admit his time NHL time is limited. One thing is for sure, he will give it a go come October

Injuries slowed him last year.

 

[lafellaesobar]

Surprised you didn't watch any of his Memorial Cup games, he was exactly what we have hoped for, a power forward goal scorer who might be the long term answer on MB's line.

The analysts on the broadcasts noted how much better a skater he was than thought.

William Dufour sets sights on Islanders after dominating juniors in Canada

William Dufour is at home now. Resting, relaxing, waiting. It’s a rare moment between whirlwinds.

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Dufour needs marinating in the minors first, unless he really is ready to just play an f*** shit up on line 1 with barzal. september first please, then we discuss this idea.

Why do you have to ruin my buzz...?



As long as Ladd plays ONE (1) game for the Coyotes this year we keep the 2023 3rd.




Palmieri has a full NTC for another season (then it becomes a partial NTC).

Oh yeah ladd is definitely playing a game btw after last season. No way arizona denies him of a game