Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[ekill08x]

Wasted season. I’m still perplexed that ownership allowed Lou to trade future assets and sign a guy to an 8 year mega deal in the middle of a hugely disappointing season. It makes me think they still believe in Lou.

Exactly where my ownership comments come from. Calling them idiots, I admit, is definitely harsh, BUT its hard to have faith in them if they have faith in an 80 year old GM whose blindly going for it with the same group that is clearly on a steep decline.

Lambert is not really a "different coach". The fact that he has been with the Isles for five years now prevents him from being a real new coach for this team.

I still think that the major problem of this team is Lou Lamoriello in the first place. As said by other users here, he has played his cards very badly for about three years and it starts with the signing of Pageau (and not the transaction which was good in my opinion) and the departure of Toews (following the bad signing of Pageau). Since that time, it's been bad blow after bad blow. The least worst being without doubt the acquisition of Horvat, but for me it's nothing more than back-pedalling and realized much too late anyway: our team is starting to obviously run out of gas!

The lambert point is pretty accurate although I still think that the players are equally the issue.

The Pageau transaction was a 1, 2 and 3 for a 3C....I can never get on board that it was a good trade.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

For everyone criticizing ownership: What should they have done differently?

 

[SI90]

For everyone criticizing ownership: What should they have done differently?

Personally I love our ownership. Ledecky is a great man of the people and accessible and Scott Malkin is a man who gets what he wants and make shit happen.

 

[Mike C]

sorry to go off topic. a moment of silence for Tim McCarver.... 81

RIP

 

[Torrey Redux]

Their business/investment decision had little to do with a hockey team or its fans. It's a real estate move.

Ok, so? Last time I checked real estate "moves" are business decisions and this real estate move doesn't happen without the hockey team that went with it.

In any event, you're all over the map on this one. Condemning a poster who was critical of the owners and then in the next breath saying the owners don't really give a damn about the hockey team they bought they just wanted the real estate. Which is it?

 

[xIsle]

Exactly where my ownership comments come from. Calling them idiots, I admit, is definitely harsh, BUT its hard to have faith in them if they have faith in an 80 year old GM whose blindly going for it with the same group that is clearly on a steep decline.


The lambert point is pretty accurate although I still think that the players are equally the issue.

The Pageau transaction was a 1, 2 and 3 for a 3C....I can never get on board that it was a good trade.

Pageau still helped us get to the conference finals. That said, Lamorielo could have been more careful (or patient) before granting him a long-term contract immediately after the transaction. This signing definitely contributed to the departure of Toews thereafter.

And what's frustrating is that Lamoriello didn't learn from that mistake, he repeated the same gaffe with the acquisition of Palmieri. He too is signed long-term and then follows the departure of our other PMD, Leddy.

 

[Fist of Fury]

Now we go and acquire Brock Boeser, just do it.

 

[Mike C]

Now we go and acquire Brock Boeser, just do it.

and everybody have fun tonight!

 

[periferal]

Who's to say Lou won't trade the pick if we get in the top 12?

Not only that, but the question should be asked as...


If in the top 12, who's to say that Lou will actually use the pick?

 

[Fist of Fury]

and everybody have fun tonight!

Party on, Garth! Brock N' Roll!

 

[Mike C]

Party on, Garth! Brock N' Roll!

just Wang Chunging brother!

 

[The Real JT]

JGP on IR...another guy we should be looking to trade. This dude is good at faceoffs and for all the guys who do nothing else but bitch about Josh Bailey, they make the the exact same AAV. JGP is younger and has gotten just as much PP time if not more and honestly produces slightly less. For what we gave up, he has been a bust here. Move on and get a significantly cheaper 3C. Paying $5m for faceoffs and mediocre offensive production from both him and Bailey is a good reason why we are in this situation. Both need to go.

I’m souring on the faceoff stat. When your FO percentage is in the 30s like Barzal then it’s a clear disadvantage but having guys in the low to mid 50s (JGP, Cizikas) who can’t score doesn’t mean all that much.

Having good PK guys like Cizikas and Clutter is also nice but by itself, it doesn’t move the needle. The Isles are 5th best on the PK. Great! Except San Jose is 4th and both teams will be in the lottery.

 

[CupHolders]

I disagree, the team was in it's infancy in 1972 and I was at those games the majority of the sparse crowd in attendance knew almost nothing of hockey. I'd watch moms and dads drop their kids off and then head off to the track Roosevelt Raceway right down the road. It was painful listing to the uniformed newbie fans. It only took 8 years to win the cup and if they didn't take the Rangers lightly it would have been 7 and we cant forget early success of J.P. Parise beating the Rangers in OT!

Ok, but then why are you quoting my post? As I explicitly stated, I was clarifying another poster’s point. You should probably address the original poster if you disagree with their statement.

"Some days I hate everything , everyone and everything, please don't tell me everything is wonderful now"

Ok. Don’t see why your quoting thst specific post of mine while mixed with @Mike C ’s post.

 

[SRBisles]

Any major core shakeup type deal is going to have to be with a team in a similar situation to us, which of course means we'd be trading flawed players for flawed players and thus there'd likely be a considerable amount of risk involved.

I look at Calgary- on the bubble, older team with some questionable contracts. Treliving has been rumored to be on the hot seat for some time now and is probably running out of time. Huberdeau hasn't fit there so far- he's having a terrible year and is signed 10.5M per through 2031. Had 115 points last year and paced for 90+ several years prior to that but on pace for a measly 57 this year. Only has a M-NTC.

If you can add him while sending significant money back the other way- do you do it? I would. He could slot right in on the top line as the LW for Horvat and Barzal. The contract won't age well at all but we're not getting a slam dunk player for our dead weight- it's gonna need to be a risk.

Man, you really gotta hope some of our guys are willing to waive their NTCs/NMCs. Serious roster surgery is desperately needed. Time to break up the country club.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Step right up Islanders are buyers and sellers. We go both ways . Guess my avatar and win a prize.

 

[NC 1972]

Ok, but then why are you quoting my post? As I explicitly stated, I was clarifying another poster’s point. You should probably address the original poster if you disagree with their statement.


Ok. Don’t see why your quoting thst specific post of mine while mixed with @Mike C ’s post.

Yes my apologies, wrong post

ah yes, named after the grain alcohol!!

Correct

 

[PROMputt]

Pageau still helped us get to the conference finals. That said, Lamorielo could have been more careful (or patient) before granting him a long-term contract immediately after the transaction. This signing definitely contributed to the departure of Toews thereafter.

And what's frustrating is that Lamoriello didn't learn from that mistake, he repeated the same gaffe with the acquisition of Palmieri. He too is signed long-term and then follows the departure of our other PMD, Leddy.

I always wonder about this. Because if I remember correctly it could have been Pulock that was traded as both he and Toews were RFA's and one was staying and one was going. In hindsight maybe Pulock should have been traded as he probably would have fetched more in a trade?

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Ok, so? Last time I checked real estate "moves" are business decisions and this real estate move doesn't happen without the hockey team that went with it.

In any event, you're all over the map on this one. Condemning a poster who was critical of the owners and then in the next breath saying the owners don't really give a damn about the hockey team they bought they just wanted the real estate. Which is it?

These are the best owners the Islanders have ever had. No one else even comes close. You can include complaints about them in your childish, myopic rantings if you wish, but I will call bullshit when I see it.

Here's what I look for from owners of sports teams I care about:

1. Willing to spend to the max.
2. Committed to keeping the team where it is.
3. Hiring competent professionals to run the team and staying out of their way (i.e. no knee-jerk meddling ala Steinbrenner).
4. Invest in a new arena if/when necessary.

Check, check, check and check in this case. Complaining about our owners is, with all due respect, f***ing stupid.

The Islanders are relatively small potatoes in terms of the investment they made. Malkin in particular. This is all about developing the property (mainly his high-end retail plans) and banking on arena revenue beyond hockey. If the teams sucks, they will draw 6,000 on weeknights. And if all of the other things come together the way they anticipate, it won't matter much at all. Yes of course the Islanders are a part of it and Ledecky certainly seems to enjoy the fan aspect, which is cool. But there is no doubt that Malkin is playing a much longer game than what happens to the Islanders in 2023. And he's certainly not stressing out about Pulock's shot or Bo Horvat missing a penalty shot or any of the other board complaints du jour. And that's ok.

 

[SRBisles]

I always wonder about this. Because if I remember correctly it could have been Pulock that was traded as both he and Toews were RFA's and one was staying and one was going. In hindsight maybe Pulock should have been traded as he probably would have fetched more in a trade?

Well yeah, he would've fetched more because he was the better (and slightly younger) player at the time. People would've lost their minds if we traded Pulock over Toews.

 

[MarsTBOW]

While I don't agree with the idiot characterization, the notion that we "should be thanking them everyday for everything they have done...." is ludicrous. Nothing they have done has been for any other reason than to make money. They have seen how loyal the core fan base is and have made a business decision that they can capitalize on that loyalty. They are neither villains nor heroes.

But you're right, they have been too hands off and they are going to regret having given Lou the kind of total control that they have. That is if they don't already.

"Ludicrous", I disagree, you might not even have a team here without Ledecky and Malkin, and if you still did, it would be on Squishy Brooklyn Ice!
Let's agree to disagree

Jesus got nothing to do with it. their blind faith in the direction we're going doesn't equate to being smart. im sorry though, idiot was too harsh.


fair point....but having blind faith in Lou at this point doesn't instill confidence either. If we lose our pending free agents for nothing, miss the playoffs and dont have a pick and they dont make significant changes, arena withstanding, how you feeling about their decision making?

Yup, I get it Brother. They have ears and that may change....
Peace....

 

[Mike C]

Step right up Islanders are buyers and sellers. We go both ways . Guess my avatar and win a prize.

Bruce Jenner when he thought the paparazzi wasn't there?

 

[Sparksrus3]

Bruce Jenner when he thought the paparazzi wasn't there?

Ooooo sorry sorry.

 

[Mike C]

Ooooo sorry sorry.

Ok. Bruce Jenner when he KNEW the paparazzi was there

 

[islesmb]

Man, can Bert Marshall Days come back to these threads with his "Nassore" shtick? Can we send him an invite or something?

Nooooooo! Lol

 

[DerekKingSnipes]

I always wonder about this. Because if I remember correctly it could have been Pulock that was traded as both he and Toews were RFA's and one was staying and one was going. In hindsight maybe Pulock should have been traded as he probably would have fetched more in a trade?

Toews struggled mightily in bubble at times especially in Tampa series, I think isles felt he was finished product and needed contract of four million plus a year. He is mostly same guy I think just is on a great team paired with a possible all time defenseman(right handed Brian Leetch)
Pulock hasn’t added offense but he is still a very good defender, Pulock also has lost PP time to Dobson. I mean would we rather have Toews than Romanov, probably but just was decision that had to be made at that time I think.