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Nizami Ganjavi said:
These are the best owners the Islanders have ever had. No one else even comes close. You can include complaints about them in your childish, myopic rantings if you wish, but I will call bullshit when I see it.

Here's what I look for from owners of sports teams I care about:

1. Willing to spend to the max.
2. Committed to keeping the team where it is.
3. Hiring competent professionals to run the team and staying out of their way (i.e. no knee-jerk meddling ala Steinbrenner).
4. Invest in a new arena if/when necessary.

Check, check, check and check in this case. Complaining about our owners is, with all due respect, f***ing stupid.

The Islanders are relatively small potatoes in terms of the investment they made. Malkin in particular. This is all about developing the property (mainly his high-end retail plans) and banking on arena revenue beyond hockey. If the teams sucks, they will draw 6,000 on weeknights. And if all of the other things come together the way they anticipate, it won't matter much at all. Yes of course the Islanders are a part of it and Ledecky certainly seems to enjoy the fan aspect, which is cool. But there is no doubt that Malkin is playing a much longer game than what happens to the Islanders in 2023. And he's certainly not stressing out about Pulock's shot or Bo Horvat missing a penalty shot or any of the other board complaints du jour. And that's ok.
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They have money and are committed to winning so it will get figured out, cap and everything considered i think. There isn’t anyway they will stand by and let this team fade into oblivion.
 
The Wahligator said:
Any major core shakeup type deal is going to have to be with a team in a similar situation to us, which of course means we'd be trading flawed players for flawed players and thus there'd likely be a considerable amount of risk involved.

I look at Calgary- on the bubble, older team with some questionable contracts. Treliving has been rumored to be on the hot seat for some time now and is probably running out of time. Huberdeau hasn't fit there so far- he's having a terrible year and is signed 10.5M per through 2031. Had 115 points last year and paced for 90+ several years prior to that but on pace for a measly 57 this year. Only has a M-NTC.

If you can add him while sending significant money back the other way- do you do it? I would. He could slot right in on the top line as the LW for Horvat and Barzal. The contract won't age well at all but we're not getting a slam dunk player for our dead weight- it's gonna need to be a risk.

Man, you really gotta hope some of our guys are willing to waive their NTCs/NMCs. Serious roster surgery is desperately needed. Time to break up the country club.
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I get what you’re saying here but unless Calgary is interested in eating half the salary there is no way I think. You’d also need to have them take someone like Lee but then your massively shaking up team, you could argue Lee would be perfect under sutter but as isles fan I’d rather not take in the extra years if Huburdeau.
 
I’m very happy we have our new owners for all the reasons previously stated.

When the dust clears on Lou’s tenure, I’m not sure it will be as rosy as some think. His hiring of Trotz was arguably responsible for the majority of his early success here. Yes he won 2 GM of the year awards but Trotz was a big part of that and let’s face it, that award is a popularity contest.

If we continue on this year’s trajectory then it would be fair to look back on the 2 years we went to the Conference finals as a perfect storm. Lou detractors might say it was mainly COVID related circumstances and we all shudder to think that was the case but maybe it’s partially true?
 
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Nizami Ganjavi said:
These are the best owners the Islanders have ever had. No one else even comes close. You can include complaints about them in your childish, myopic rantings if you wish, but I will call bullshit when I see it.

Here's what I look for from owners of sports teams I care about:

1. Willing to spend to the max.
2. Committed to keeping the team where it is.
3. Hiring competent professionals to run the team and staying out of their way (i.e. no knee-jerk meddling ala Steinbrenner).
4. Invest in a new arena if/when necessary.

Check, check, check and check in this case. Complaining about our owners is, with all due respect, f***ing stupid.

The Islanders are relatively small potatoes in terms of the investment they made. Malkin in particular. This is all about developing the property (mainly his high-end retail plans) and banking on arena revenue beyond hockey. If the teams sucks, they will draw 6,000 on weeknights. And if all of the other things come together the way they anticipate, it won't matter much at all. Yes of course the Islanders are a part of it and Ledecky certainly seems to enjoy the fan aspect, which is cool. But there is no doubt that Malkin is playing a much longer game than what happens to the Islanders in 2023. And he's certainly not stressing out about Pulock's shot or Bo Horvat missing a penalty shot or any of the other board complaints du jour. And that's ok.
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Quite the rant. So, again, on the one hand they are the worlds greatest owners but, if we suck so bad that we're drawing 6K a night, that's all cool because it's about the real estate long game. Hmm, interesting. You see, I want our owner's to stress about Pulock's shot and Horvat's production to some extent. Not obsess about it mind you, you know, hands off enough to let the hockey people do their job but not so hands off that they let the hockey people sink the ship. Lou is sinking this ship with short term thinking and a misguided belief in the roster that he has cemented in place (just like they skate!).

Be nice if our owners were playing the hockey long game as well as you seem to think they are playing the real estate long game.
 
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BrockLobster said:
I think its the chick from planet of the apes in the 60s
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That’s a pretty good guess.

I’ll save this gif for any future arguments I have on HFBoards.
 
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Nizami Ganjavi said:
For everyone criticizing ownership: What should they have done differently?
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For starters, understanding that having an 80 year old who is stuck in his ways is probably not the best guy to be making personnel decisions that can affect the franchise for the next 5-10 years. Goal is to win now and in the future. That's best for business.
 
BrockLobster said:
I think its the chick from planet of the apes in the 60s
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Nova played by the actress Linda Harrison. She kinda of looks like Meghan Fox in that picture though.

Here is another picture of her…

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EDIT: Just realized that movie is more recent (1968 release) than the Leafs last cup.
 
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DerekKingSnipes said:
Toews struggled mightily in bubble at times especially in Tampa series, I think isles felt he was finished product and needed contract of four million plus a year. He is mostly same guy I think just is on a great team paired with a possible all time defenseman(right handed Brian Leetch)
Pulock hasn’t added offense but he is still a very good defender, Pulock also has lost PP time to Dobson. I mean would we rather have Toews than Romanov, probably but just was decision that had to be made at that time I think.
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Woah. Toews struggling mightily is wildly inaccurate. He wasn't at his best, but his advanced metrics had him as our best transition defenseman for the regular season and the playoffs. And is the question really, would you rather have Toews, who has become a legitimate star defenseman or a 6-7 defenseman with limited offensive potential?

Bottom line is, Lou and the Isles have an archaic way of player evaluation. There are teams in the league that would never let something like this happen because they understand player value. Toews was a huge miss. We don't whiff on that decision if we had a modern NHL front office.

If the Isles actually used the data available to them, there was nothing to suggest that Romanov is a top 4 dman. We're all hoping he does but it was a risky proposition at a high cost. We were better off keeping that pick and getting a Gustafsson or de Haan. But Lou doesn't make value moves. He's heavy handed and lacks creativity.
 
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islesmb said:
You’re welcome to come watch any games at my house.

Lets hope not. Lol
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Thanks for the invite. I'll figure out a way to let the wife know!

This past Christmas season, we missed 3 games....stayed off sports sites and only came onto the board to put our scorers in for the contest. We watched all the games and St.Johns college hoops when we got home!
 
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TeamKidd said:
So based on our trajectory, it looks like we can pick anywhere from 7-14th in the NHL Draft. So, i've looked into my crystal ball and I see that on the last game of the season we will finally score a PowerPlay goal - Alex Romanov - from the point and we will miss out drafting a Hall of Fame player.
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Gives me chills of Uwe Krupp scoring for Buffalo against the Pens to put us into the playoffs. Then we draft Scott 'bad de'Scissions and they draft Jaromir 'moves like' Jagr.
 
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JPIsles18 said:
Woah. Toews struggling mightily is wildly inaccurate. He wasn't at his best, but his advanced metrics had him as our best transition defenseman for the regular season and the playoffs. And is the question really, would you rather have Toews, who has become a legitimate star defenseman or a 6-7 defenseman with limited offensive potential?

Bottom line is, Lou and the Isles have an archaic way of player evaluation. There are teams in the league that would never let something like this happen because they understand player value. Toews was a huge miss. We don't whiff on that decision if we had a modern NHL front office.

If the Isles actually used the data available to them, there was nothing to suggest that Romanov is a top 4 dman. We're all hoping he does but it was a risky proposition at a high cost. We were better off keeping that pick and getting a Gustafsson or de Haan. But Lou doesn't make value moves. He's heavy handed and lacks creativity.
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I get what your saying bud but I think LL is playing 4d chess sometimes and we just don't see the big picture. So I don't think LL is a genius, but I do see how his vision works and the moves he makes to bolster it. IMO, LL values defense, goaltending, and loyalty and he is a fan of redundancy. Kind of like having backups on backups. I think Romanov was brought in with the anticipation of losing Mayfield. I think he has a pretty good idea right away of whether or not a guy is going to sign and makes decisions based on that. He doesn't mind rewarding a good soldier with an overpay if they are loyal. These are all guesses by the way, nothing concrete, but even with the Horvat acquisition, suddenly JGP is down for the count and on IR? My guess is there was a nagging injury there and LL saw an opportunity to bolster the center position despite most of us thinking it was the last spot we needed to upgrade. I don't think we would have had to add that much more to the package to get Meier, which seemed like a more pressing position of need. Not saying Lou makes all the right decisions, but you can see he most certainly has a plan and definitely thinks in advance about it.
 
The Real JT said:
I’m very happy we have our new owners for all the reasons previously stated.

When the dust clears on Lou’s tenure, I’m not sure it will be as rosy as some think. His hiring of Trotz was arguably responsible for the majority of his early success here. Yes he won 2 GM of the year awards but Trotz was a big part of that and let’s face it, that award is a popularity contest.

If we continue on this year’s trajectory then it would be fair to look back on the 2 years we went to the Conference finals as a perfect storm. Lou detractors might say it was mainly COVID related circumstances and we all shudder to think that was the case but maybe it’s partially true?
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Very well said. But why do we have to "shudder to think that was the case but maybe it’s partially true?" It is 100% absolutely true (the goddamn Canadiens were a SC Finalist one of the bubble years - what more needs to be said?). And that's fine. Those were the circumstances and the Isles made the most of them. But not seeing that reality and believing that this team was then or is now among the elite in the league is where the problem lies. Not so much if the fans think it, though that is annoying as hell, but when the GM has deluded himself enough to believe it, that's a problem.
 
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