Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[leeroggy]

Chychrun is a great player, but he does not fit a need IMO. The D is more or less set. This team needs scoring talent up front

Has Chychrun ever played his off-hand? Salo, Aho and Bolduc . . . have any of them shown they can handle RD as left-hand shots? And who is UFA this year if Mayfield prices himself out of our cap space?

If Chychrun could play the right side, that gives options

One possible replacement for Mayfield, even though it is a downgrade, would be Tucker Poolman at $2,500,000 cap hit, with 2 years left. Nick Jensen is UFA, he could be a fit too.

 

[Throttle]

Season	Team	Lge	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
	Regular Season	Playoffs
2014-15	Sarnia Sting	OHL	42	16	17	33	37	-11	--	--	--	--	--
2015-16	Sarnia Sting	OHL	62	11	38	49	51	23	7	2	6	8	8
2016-17	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	68	7	13	20	47	-14	--	--	--	--	--
2017-18	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	50	4	10	14	16	2	--	--	--	--	--
2018-19	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	53	5	15	20	28	-12	--	--	--	--	--
2019-20	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	63	12	14	26	38	4	9	1	0	1	8
2020-21	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	56	18	23	41	42	-6	--	--	--	--	--
2021-22	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	47	7	14	21	47	-20	--	--	--	--	--
2022-23	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	4	1	2	3	2	3
	NHL Totals		341	54	91	145	220		9	1	0	1	8

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Out of 7 seasons only 1 was great. All 7 seasons he missed a lot of games due to injury including this season.
His value is not as high as Arizona believes it is.

AZ recognizes that a signed top4 defenseman (offensive) is a premium in this current game. The Isles tried to find one 2 years ago, Vancouver and Ott have been looking all season. Each of those teams were impacted by not having one.

Allegedly, Montreal was looking to make noise at the draft, called the Isles about another 1st rounders draft pick and Romanov was the Isles ask. Lou shored up the defense before having to make a bigger trade and wade into the UFA market.

 

[Throttle]

That on pace stuff can be very misleading

For example. If my wife agrees to, you know, on the 1st day of the month, I'm on pace for 30-31 tallies. The reality is, I will end the month with that 1 score and MAYBE 1-2 more

Just saying.....projections aren't what we perceive often

He’s pretty timely in the playoffs though. Same with Bailey, Beau, etc.

If this season continues ‘as is’ the Isles should be a great position for the playoffs. No team in the EC can match their defense and goaltending. Their forwards are opportunistic.

The biggest issue in the playoffs last year was craptastic goaltending and porous defense. It’s a byproduct of the youth and speed in the game.

 

[seafoam]

Barzal mentioned as Kane’s “dream center” in this article that outlines Kane’s uncertain future in wanting to stick around for a Bedard tank.



Unless Bailey AND Beauviller are going the other way and an impact forward not from ARZ is coming in (that’s a lot of in-season cap movement), I’d be shocked if the team leading the league in defensemen scoring is going to pony up for the price of Chychrun.

I’d rather look at Karlsson if anything…

 

[Kevin27NYI]

That seems reasonably sustainable, right?

While I would not suspect it I also do not this a ton of players hitting career years is crazy. They just played in a super defensive system under Trotz and are being unleashed now.

I agree with YL, plus some of the career years aren’t too far ahead of where they were other years. Also is Pageau right? I thought he paced better during a covid season.

I think the only outlier is Nelson but he’s showed ability to be close to PPG in another year and last year he had 37 so ability isn’t *not there*

A little tidbit from the athletic about Kane

"And just as important, how does he feel when he imagines rejoining his hockey soulmate, Artemi Panarin, with the Rangers, as so many expect will happen? How does he feel when he daydreams about Mathew Barzal, his dream center — you could see hearts in Kane’s eyes every time he’s talked about Barzal’s speed and skill over the years — and joining the 15-8-0 Islanders for a playoff run? Or Nathan MacKinnon in Colorado. Or, good lord, Connor McDavid in Edmonton?"

I’ve noticed too that Kane has talked about Barzy a few times through media questions.

 

[Throttle]

Barzal mentioned as Kane’s “dream center” in this article that outlines Kane’s uncertain future in wanting to stick around for a Bedard tank.



Unless Bailey AND Beauviller are going the other way and an impact forward not from ARZ is coming in (that’s a lot of in-season cap movement), I’d be shocked if the team leading the league in defensemen scoring is going to pony up for the price of Chychrun.

I’d rather look at Karlsson if anything…

Chicago has to determine whatever the offset of saving money vs having marketable players is to them for selling tickets. The org seems to want to move on from these guys, they are just doing delicately around the edges.

 

[doublechili]

I kind of forgot about Chychrun after the Romanov trade, but should it shock us if Lou goes after him so that he has the best and deepest goaltending and defense in the league? And FWIW, Chychrun is listed as a LD/RD on CapFriendly.

 

[mm11]

I kind of forgot about Chychrun after the Romanov trade, but should it shock us if Lou goes after him so that he has the best and deepest goaltending and defense in the league? And FWIW, Chychrun is listed as a LD/RD on CapFriendly.

Would not put it past the old man

 

[JJ18Sniper]

I kind of forgot about Chychrun after the Romanov trade, but should it shock us if Lou goes after him so that he has the best and deepest goaltending and defense in the league? And FWIW, Chychrun is listed as a LD/RD on CapFriendly.

It's interesting that Romanov has been paired with Mayfield the past couple of games as well. I believe the quote from Lambert was he liked the "size" they brought. Chychrun would be a sizeable LD2 upgrade over Aho, but with the holes on forward it just feels like a luxury.

Tampa did have success with its super deep LD mix in 2020/2021 with Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev.

 

[SCMURRAY]

Stralman on waivers today. Wouldnt be a bad claim. $1mil cap hit. Right side depth cause I think Hutton is hurt and next up is Ladue. Let Salo keep playing in Bridgeport

 

[Throttle]

It's interesting that Romanov has been paired with Mayfield the past couple of games as well. I believe the quote from Lambert was he liked the "size" they brought. Chychrun would be a sizeable LD2 upgrade over Aho, but with the holes on forward it just feels like a luxury.

Tampa did have success with its super deep LD mix in 2020/2021 with Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev.

I think the window for Mayfield taking a $4.5Mish deal with the Isles might have passed unless he really buys into the team thing. He’s worked himself into a larger deal and with team’s desperate for quality D, he’ll get paid handsomely.

 

[doublechili]

I think the window for Mayfield taking a $4.5Mish deal with the Isles might have passed unless he really buys into the team thing. He’s worked himself into a larger deal and with team’s desperate for quality D, he’ll get paid handsomely.

Coincidence that Chychrun is locked in at $4.6M for two more years after this year?

You raise a good point - maybe they're getting the sense that Mayfield won't take a discount and will be moving on.

Chychrun would be a sizeable LD2 upgrade over Aho, but with the holes on forward it just feels like a luxury.

Okay, Chychrun and Crouse.

 

[warrior60]

Season	Team	Lge	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM	+/-	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
	Regular Season	Playoffs
2014-15	Sarnia Sting	OHL	42	16	17	33	37	-11	--	--	--	--	--
2015-16	Sarnia Sting	OHL	62	11	38	49	51	23	7	2	6	8	8
2016-17	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	68	7	13	20	47	-14	--	--	--	--	--
2017-18	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	50	4	10	14	16	2	--	--	--	--	--
2018-19	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	53	5	15	20	28	-12	--	--	--	--	--
2019-20	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	63	12	14	26	38	4	9	1	0	1	8
2020-21	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	56	18	23	41	42	-6	--	--	--	--	--
2021-22	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	47	7	14	21	47	-20	--	--	--	--	--
2022-23	Arizona Coyotes	NHL	4	1	2	3	2	3
	NHL Totals		341	54	91	145	220		9	1	0	1	8

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Out of 7 seasons only 1 was great. All 7 seasons he missed a lot of games due to injury including this season.
His value is not as high as Arizona believes it is.

I think them numbers would look a lot better playing on a good team.

 

[NYI365]

Pelech-Pulock
Chychrun-Dobson
Romanov-Mayfield

Would be the best D we've had since the Cup days. Better than the days of Berard, young Chara, McCabe, Aucoin, Hamrlik, Cairns, Leddy, Toews, Boychuk etc.




But none of those aforementioned names supplant Brian Strait.

 

[NYI365]

If the Isles float around the Top 8ish (Top 25% of the league) up until the TDL I can see this as the year Lou swings for it all. The D is there for the most part, the goaltending looks to be the strongest in a while, just need a little more offensive pop.

Actually, the more I think about it I think Lou will upgrade the LD. I don't think he's going to be comfortable going down the stretch/playoffs with the LD depth we have now. One injury to a Pelech or Romanov and suddenly you have Salo and Aho handling Top 4 minutes going into the stretch. That's no bueno

 

[crasherino]

Coincidence that Chychrun is locked in at $4.6M for two more years after this year?

You raise a good point - maybe they're getting the sense that Mayfield won't take a discount and will be moving on.


Okay, Chychrun and Crouse.

While I have no more insight - or knowledge - than you fine gentleman, I would be surprised if Mayfield gets more than $4.5 - $5m for 4 years. He's never had a 20 pt season and currently has 6 pts. Even with a couple of nice goals he's potted this year, he's still essentially the same player - a defensive-minded, stay at home Dman. A great guy to have, sure, but a guy who's pushing 30 and doesn't have much offensive upside isn't getting over $5/yr.

And he probably is worth more to us than someone else. I just can't see another team targeting Scott Mayfield as the guy they want to overpay. 4 years/ $17m or so seems like the right kind of deal to me.

 

[WangMustGo]

If the Isles float around the Top 8ish (Top 25% of the league) up until the TDL I can see this as the year Lou swings for it all. The D is there for the most part, the goaltending looks to be the strongest in a while, just need a little more offensive pop.

Actually, the more I think about it I think Lou will upgrade the LD. I don't think he's going to be comfortable going down the stretch/playoffs with the LD depth we have now. One injury to a Pelech or Romanov and suddenly you have Salo and Aho handling Top 4 minutes going into the stretch. That's no bueno

You are right Chychrun would he a good addition, but the cost seems astronomical. Hes also made of glass and the isles have enough assets for 1 big addition, definitely not two. In addition adding Chyrchrun would mean theres no shot Mayfield is resigned.

I would prefer to try and find a top line winger. It would give us a 2nd great forward, something this team desperately lacks. Likely improves the PP as well.

I think Lou is going to try and find a veteran LD like he did with Greene a couple of years ago, and I hope he goes out and gets a first line forward that the team desperately needs.

While I have no more insight - or knowledge - than you fine gentleman, I would be surprised if Mayfield gets more than $4.5 - $5m for 4 years. He's never had a 20 pt season and currently has 6 pts. Even with a couple of nice goals he's potted this year, he's still essentially the same player - a defensive-minded, stay at home Dman. A great guy to have, sure, but a guy who's pushing 30 and doesn't have much offensive upside isn't getting over $5/yr.

And he probably is worth more to us than someone else. I just can't see another team targeting Scott Mayfield as the guy they want to overpay. 4 years/ $17m or so seems like the right kind of deal to me.

I think Mayfield would get 6 per on the open market. A big tough RD that is playoff proven is worth alot. I would sign Mayfield to a 4 year 17 million contract in a heartbeat.

 

[crasherino]

I think Mayfield would get 6 per on the open market. A big tough RD that is playoff proven is worth alot. I would sign Mayfield to a 4 year 17 million contract in a heartbeat.

If a team wants to throw $6m at Mayfield - I hope he takes it. I also hope its not the Islanders. That's more than Pelech got....at over 3 years older than Pelech was when he signed.

I like what Scotty brings, but half the benefit of Mayfield is that he's cheap. Once you pay/overpay, your expectation goes up. He's a very solid, stay at home 3rd pairing guy. Nothing wrong with that. But those guys aren't irreplaceable. Not for the chunk of change we're talking about now.

I just don't see the Islanders having an issue re-signing him. I'd put the O/U at $4.5m and wouldn't be surprised if its under. But I guess we'll see. Hopefully before the season is over as I think we all want him back - and know he deserves a nice payday.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

The six million talk is crazy. No precedent for that.

One thing I think everyone from Lou, to Mayfields agent to Mayfield to me is that he has been severely underpaid and I cannot see him taking a discount. Market value or see ya. And that’s completely fair. I think Jamie Oleksiak would be a good comparable.

 

[seafoam]

If Mayfield wants to get paid I’m letting him go to the market and spending 5-6M + moving out Bailey/Beauviller on a guy like Kane or Tarasenko. Dobson/Pelech/Pulock/Romanov is the future on defense.

That is unless NYI isn’t sold on Romanov and want to package him with a Bailey/Beauvillier for assets and roll with Aho/Bolduc/Salo on the second pairing (which I doubt they would do).

 

[PJGooch]

While I have no more insight - or knowledge - than you fine gentleman, I would be surprised if Mayfield gets more than $4.5 - $5m for 4 years. He's never had a 20 pt season and currently has 6 pts. Even with a couple of nice goals he's potted this year, he's still essentially the same player - a defensive-minded, stay at home Dman. A great guy to have, sure, but a guy who's pushing 30 and doesn't have much offensive upside isn't getting over $5/yr.

And he probably is worth more to us than someone else. I just can't see another team targeting Scott Mayfield as the guy they want to overpay. 4 years/ $17m or so seems like the right kind of deal to me.

Gross wrote a sidebar story in yesterday's Newsday about Mayfield's upcoming free agency, and writes that "on the open market, Mayfield could garner $3.5 million annually -- maybe more" given his age and production.

Sounded low to me but at that price I'd expect he'd be brought back.

 

[scottywiper]

That on pace stuff can be very misleading

For example. If my wife agrees to, you know, on the 1st day of the month, I'm on pace for 30-31 tallies. The reality is, I will end the month with that 1 score and MAYBE 1-2 more

Just saying.....projections aren't what we perceive often

3 a month. I envy you!!!

 

[Mike C]

3 is

3 a month. I envy you!!!

3 is a rarity

 

[scottywiper]

3 is

3 is a rarity

It's Halley's Comet here.

 

[xECK29x]

Stralman on waivers today. Wouldnt be a bad claim. $1mil cap hit. Right side depth cause I think Hutton is hurt and next up is Ladue. Let Salo keep playing in Bridgeport

He's washed