Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[Mike C]

Soshnikov cleared waivers.

with good reason too!

 

[Throttle]

Is this wonder year (so far) for Karlsson a one-off or is this what we should expect from him for the remainder of his contract.

Unless there's 40% salary retention by the Sharks I'd stay away from Erik Karlsson.

Just grab Klingberg cheaper price, maybe more warts, also no term.

 

[seafoam]

Assigned to Bridgeport too. So something is coming….

Could be showcasing a prospect, or they could be trying to accrue as much cap space for as much trade flexibility.

Or they could just be not happy with guys like Bailey and Beauvillier and want to see what they have in Holmstrom since he's been in the minors for a bit now, which would also help them assess his trade value to them as well.

 

[Big L]

Could be showcasing a prospect, or they could be trying to accrue as much cap space for as much trade flexibility.

Or they could just be not happy with guys like Bailey and Beauvillier and want to see what they have in Holmstrom since he's been in the minors for a bit now, which would also help them assess his trade value to them as well.

Essentially send Soshnikov down to BPT and bring up Holmstrom in place?

 

[impaaaaaact]

I dont think the Canucks would get a Raty level prospect for a UFA to be that isnt going to be resigning with the Canucks. I think the trade revolves around the 23 1st and a B level prospect. I dont remember the last UFA to bring back a bluechip prospect like Raty.

I meant If we’re trading for Boeser I think it makes sense to trade the player that you’re effectively blocking from making the roster instead of the first if you can swing it. Beau, Raty and a third is something I could see happening

 

[WangMustGo]

I meant If we’re trading for Boeser I think it makes sense to trade the player that you’re effectively blocking from making the roster instead of the first if you can swing it. Beau, Raty and a third is something I could see happening

Would you really want Boeser though? 7 million for a 1 dimensional, oft injured, slow skater. Id stay far away from Boeser. I would be interested in Garland or Horvat.

The only way Raty should be traded is if a bonafide first line player under team control is coming back. Someone like Meier.

 

[Foppberg]

Shoulda signed Kubalik ...

 

[leeroggy]

Ya, the one that plucked the crossbar, Wally sniped that one. Heck, he was celebrating before it went in.
Tantalizing shot he has, keep it simple kid, find the soft spots and rip it. Hit some guys and don't get fancy at the blue line. Keep your head down, arm straight, eye on the ball weight evenly distributed, athletic stance and watch the wind! ooooops wrong sport.......... Nuff said!

Sooner or later, I'm going to turn you into a lacrosse fan instead

 

[Mike C]

Shoulda signed Kubalik ...

Or the Nazzer

 

[Foppberg]

Or the Nazzer

Ya that woulda been ideal. But 2.5M is an easier contract to make room for than 7M

 

[MarsTBOW]

So it seems there is some smoke to the Horvat rumors... Isles Scouts in Vancouver a few week ago.... Man he would be something here.... I wonder if this deal was to go through, if Vancouver would then Tank for Bedard?
Trading their Captain is a Total Rebuild Mode move....

 

[Throttle]

So it seems there is some smoke to the Horvat rumors... Isles Scouts in Vancouver a few week ago.... Man he would be something here.... I wonder if this deal was to go through, if Vancouver would then Tank for Bedard?
Trading their Captain is a Total Rebuild Mode move....

Their Captain is a UFA, he decides what he wants to do on resigning. He has no trade protection, so he’s certainly a goner.

Vancouver’s a bit of a management mess. JT Miller resigned as a RFA when he saw the UFA dollars disappearing and got paid to protect himself. Horvat can do the UFA thing, but if 6 top tier UFAs hit the market, someone is getting Klingberg’d.

 

[SI]

Just grab Klingberg cheaper price, maybe more warts, also no term.

Sometimes, it's about getting the better player, who impacts the game not just putting up similar points!
Karlsson is out of this world right now.

So it seems there is some smoke to the Horvat rumors... Isles Scouts in Vancouver a few week ago.... Man he would be something here.... I wonder if this deal was to go through, if Vancouver would then Tank for Bedard?
Trading their Captain is a Total Rebuild Mode move....

You are correct - it's a nuclear decision.
The best way to describe Vancouver right now would be dysfunctional.
From the new front office down to the coaching staff.

If I was Aquilini I would fire the front office again and get the right people in place.

 

[SI]

I dont think the Canucks would get a Raty level prospect for a UFA to be that isnt going to be resigning with the Canucks. I think the trade revolves around the 23 1st and a B level prospect. I dont remember the last UFA to bring back a bluechip prospect like Raty.

I'm not sure about that - if it meant a contract extension, then yeah.

I would love it to be Bailey (but it probably needs to be Beau), Raty, '23 1st, and possibly something else...
I would try to wrestle Garland out of there too.

Colorado will be in on Horvat and they have 23 1st and BC native Alex Newhook... if you want to beat that you have to throw in Raty.

 

[Foppberg]

I'm not sure about that - if it meant a contract extension, then yeah.

I would love it to be Bailey (but it probably needs to be Beau), Raty, '23 1st, and possibly something else...
I would try to wrestle Garland out of there too.

Colorado will be in on Horvat and they have 23 1st and BC native Alex Newhook... if you want to beat that you have to throw in Raty.

Yeah, pretty sure Sakic will throw the kitchen sink at Horvat. Avs are in a much better position to be going all in versus the Izzies. I’d like Horvat here (Islanders) but not at a premium, whereas with Colorado we need to go for it while the irons hot.

If I were a betting man I’d say it’ll be between Colorado and Carolina if he moves on.

 

[Throttle]

Sometimes, it's about getting the better player, who impacts the game not just putting up similar points!
Karlsson is out of this world right now.


You are correct - it's a nuclear decision.
The best way to describe Vancouver right now would be dysfunctional.
From the new front office down to the coaching staff.

If I was Aquilini I would fire the front office again and get the right people in place.

Key words: right now.

I suggested Karlsson weeks ago, however, the acquirer really needs to figure out the term on that deal. Also, he actual contract dollars and bonuses are varied year over year.

 

[SI]

Key words: right now.

I suggested Karlsson weeks ago, however, the acquirer really needs to figure out the term on that deal. Also, he actual contract dollars and bonuses are varied year over year.

Yes the final 2 years might be too much, but also he may be able to get through the life of the contract.

Any deal will have to $ going the other way and Sharks eating at least 25-30% of the cap hit.

Leafs, Sabres, Canucks, kings should be all over this!

 

[IslesNorway]

Essentially send Soshnikov down to BPT and bring up Holmstrom in place?

Or just letting him get some real minutes down there? Not much point in having him in the pressbox if he can help the Bport Isles and score a few in the AHL. A seasoned vet down there is never a bad thing.

 

[saintunspecified]

Its also a tad disingenuous on his part. Even the Islanders weren't as interested (or at all) as the reports led us to believe, Gaudreau had to at least know that there were reports that the Isles were involved as it was likely leaked by his team. He couldn't have been that far removed from what was going on - he had to at least have an idea of the landscape behind his Free Agency.

This is pretty much a slightly funny non-story but I like the fact that we boo'ed him. The move from the Coli has rendered the crowd a bit antiseptic. Glad to see there's a bit of an edge still.

I kind of agree with the first paragraph, disagree with the second. He did hear the gossip, but he & his agent were in the business of doing a deal, and NYI didn't have the room to do a deal. From that point of view, any talk there might have been was not significant.

There's no reason to boo a player who chose another team when NYI couldn't even clear the cap room to sign him. Whether or not there was talk, it could never have been serious. Unless we boo other teams star players, generally. I'm fine with that.

I do think it is noteworthy that JG rejected what would have clearly been a much better situation for him. Hughes/Hischier/Mercer is an infinitely better situation at C than what CBJ has, and that's not hindsight talking. (Looks even better in hindsight tho, lol) Well, I guess JG can feel good about passively helping with Bratt's negotiations. JG really hurt himself there, and in a way that could be definitive of his career.

 

[saintunspecified]

He played on the third line last year and it didn't help him get on track, everyone kept saying how he needs to play with Barzal. Now he's with Barzal and we're talking about him going back to the third line. Wahlstrom just hasn't scored at a pace or consistency that the team needs, and it seems to be a trend with him.

I think the problem with Wahlstrom, at least now, is that he's best when his ice time is kept down. I also think he's best off when he's playing with Barzal, and that poses a dilemma - either get creative with the wingers, or roll 4 lines.

I think Lambert has played around with the idea of running 3.5 lines (or 4.5 depending upon how you think about it). NYI could mix Cizikas, and Clutterbuck in different spots (spelling Wahlstrom, Beau, Parise, and Bailey). I like the occasional shifts Barzal gets with Cizikas and/or Clutterbuck. Those guys are completely happy if Barzal hangs out on the periphery of their board battles, and then they all crash the net. It's a nice change up. Having Holmstrom on the team would help there, because all the reports on him is that he's highly versatile & situationally aware (which is what both Wahlstrom & Beauvillier seem to be missing).

Unrelatedly, I want to say that Anders Lee's professionalism is special. The guy is a couple years removed from that surgery, and while he's lost half a step & was never fast, his strength, hands, and endurance is as good or better than it ever was. He looks like he could play 25 minutes a night. I can only assume that he is a total boss wrt conditioning, nutrition, and the like. While it kind of sucks to root for a team that lacks that dynamic superstar who is not a goalie, NYI have more than their share of unselfish high-end professionals (not limited to, but especially Lee, Pelech, and both goalies).

 

[seafoam]

Or just letting him get some real minutes down there? Not much point in having him in the pressbox if he can help the Bport Isles and score a few in the AHL. A seasoned vet down there is never a bad thing.

Bridgeport is without Terry so maybe this is strictly for help down there.

 

[crasherino]

I kind of agree with the first paragraph, disagree with the second. He did hear the gossip, but he & his agent were in the business of doing a deal, and NYI didn't have the room to do a deal. From that point of view, any talk there might have been was not significant.

There's no reason to boo a player who chose another team when NYI couldn't even clear the cap room to sign him. Whether or not there was talk, it could never have been serious. Unless we boo other teams star players, generally. I'm fine with that.

I do think it is noteworthy that JG rejected what would have clearly been a much better situation for him. Hughes/Hischier/Mercer is an infinitely better situation at C than what CBJ has, and that's not hindsight talking. (Looks even better in hindsight tho, lol) Well, I guess JG can feel good about passively helping with Bratt's negotiations. JG really hurt himself there, and in a way that could be definitive of his career.

He knew that he was never going to the Islanders - that seems pretty clear in hindsight. But they heard the talk and probably encouraged it, for negotiation purposes.

There's no logical reason to boo him - I agree with that. He owed the Islanders nothing and probably couldn't have been signed even if he was dead set on coming here. All I'm saying is that I like that the spirit in the arena. It's very Coliseum-esque to randomly boo a player that signed somewhere else. I like to see that carry over. Last year there wasn't much to cheer about at UBS and it was kind of dead. And, to be honest, the reputation of the Coliseum really stems from playoff hockey. A random Tuesday game at the Coliseum wasn't all that spirited. I always made the distinction that during the regular season, the Coliseum is a family-friendly environment with the main focus of people/kids taking pictures with Sparky. Come the playoffs though, its a fvcking gladiator pit where you feel like the air may spontaneously combust any second from the intensity.

I hope some of the gladiator pit mentality carries over to UBS. We'll ultimately see when we play meaningful games in the Spring.

 

[saintunspecified]

I hope some of the gladiator pit mentality carries over to UBS. We'll ultimately see when we play meaningful games in the Spring.

 

[The Real JT]

I think the problem with Wahlstrom, at least now, is that he's best when his ice time is kept down. I also think he's best off when he's playing with Barzal, and that poses a dilemma - either get creative with the wingers, or roll 4 lines.

I think Lambert has played around with the idea of running 3.5 lines (or 4.5 depending upon how you think about it). NYI could mix Cizikas, and Clutterbuck in different spots (spelling Wahlstrom, Beau, Parise, and Bailey). I like the occasional shifts Barzal gets with Cizikas and/or Clutterbuck. Those guys are completely happy if Barzal hangs out on the periphery of their board battles, and then they all crash the net. It's a nice change up. Having Holmstrom on the team would help there, because all the reports on him is that he's highly versatile & situationally aware (which is what both Wahlstrom & Beauvillier seem to be missing).

Unrelatedly, I want to say that Anders Lee's professionalism is special. The guy is a couple years removed from that surgery, and while he's lost half a step & was never fast, his strength, hands, and endurance is as good or better than it ever was. He looks like he could play 25 minutes a night. I can only assume that he is a total boss wrt conditioning, nutrition, and the like. While it kind of sucks to root for a team that lacks that dynamic superstar who is not a goalie, NYI have more than their share of unselfish high-end professionals (not limited to, but especially Lee, Pelech, and both goalies).

Despite the hand wringing by some over Lee’s contract I’ve always been satisfied with it. While it’s not a bargain, the combination of his leadership, strength and front net presence would be hard to replace. I could easily name half a dozen other contracts that are less desirable on this team.

 

[NC 1972]

Despite the hand wringing by some over Lee’s contract I’ve always been satisfied with it. While it’s not a bargain, the combination of his leadership, strength and front net presence would be hard to replace. I could easily name half a dozen other contracts that are less desirable on this team.

As far as Captain's go he is class personified.