Roster/Rumors/Speculation/Trade Talk - 2023-24: Hotel California

[leeroggy]

Bailey in for Butch is a better move. That solves two problems.

At least Butch shoots the puck

 

[Mike C]

Part of the Islanders strength this year is two lines producing.
I for one would not change a thing right now while the going is good.

I am not complaining with Barzal’s 0-82-82 and Nelson’s 43-43-86 pace.
If it is not broken….

I also want to see extended time with Barzal, Wahlstrom and Parise.
Stick with the plan and maybe we will be rewarded. Wahlly has had some great looks lately just missing or hitting the post. The goal vs Ottawa may just add some confidence and what he needed right now.

I'm a huge Wally fan. Although he may not pan out to what many expect, I think his positive attributes (shooters mentality, solid checker) can be accentuated and help us win. I don't think he's as bad as others do. I try and take the glass half full approach

At least Butch shoots the puck

And has Cup winning experience!

 

[NYI365]

Below are comparable trades for a Horvat deal:

DeBrincat (RFA) went for the 7th overall, 2nd rounder (39th overall) and a 3rd in '24

Giroux (UFA) Bunnaman and Rubstov went for Tippett, 1st, and a '23 3rd

Eichel (had term) went for Krebs, Tuch, 1st, and a 2nd

Horvat's highest points output was 61 in 82 games in '18-'19, although he's got 20 in 17 this year so he's outpacing his career averages thus far. He's also a pending UFA so I don't think he'll Garner as high a return picks wise as DeBrincat. The fact that Horvat is a leader, center, defensively responsible etc. should help his value.

If VAN is going the rebuild route they're gonna want draft capital without taking on too much $. Value wise, I think an offer of:

Beauvillier, '23 first, '24 second and a B/C level prospect should be enough to get it done.

Deals for pending UFA's never return as much as people on HF want them to, and I believe that is fair value.



If a Horvat trade comes to fruition,

I could see it like this:

Parise-Barzal-Wahlstrom
Lee-Horvat-Nelson
Bailey-Pageau-Palmieri
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck

 

[Mike C]

Below are comparable trades for a Horvat deal:

DeBrincat (RFA) went for the 7th overall, 2nd rounder (39th overall) and a 3rd in '24

Giroux (UFA) Bunnaman and Rubstov went for Tippett, 1st, and a '23 3rd

Eichel (had term) went for Krebs, Tuch, 1st, and a 2nd

Horvat's highest points output was 61 in 82 games in '18-'19, although he's got 20 in 17 this year so he's outpacing his career averages thus far. He's also a pending UFA so I don't think he'll Garner as high a return picks wise as DeBrincat. The fact that Horvat is a leader, center, defensively responsible etc. should help his value.

If VAN is going the rebuild route they're gonna want draft capital without taking on too much $. Value wise, I think an offer of:

Beauvillier, '23 first, '24 second and a B/C level prospect should be enough to get it done.

Deals for pending UFA's never return as much as people on HF want them to, and I believe that is fair value.



If a Horvat trade comes to fruition,

I could see it like this:

Parise-Barzal-Wahlstrom
Lee-Horvat-Nelson
Bailey-Pageau-Palmieri
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck

get the deal done!!!

 

[Mr Misunderstood]

Something I always look at when player names pop up as potential Isles trade targets....powerplay goals

Bo Horvat:

Seems like he would for sure help the PP.

Those FOW% are nice too

 

[crasherino]

Also possible that Johnny is a little over sensitive like when Calgary media wrote something negative about him and either him or this writer is full of shall we say fake news, alternative facts, or as we called it back in the f**king bull**it

Its also a tad disingenuous on his part. Even the Islanders weren't as interested (or at all) as the reports led us to believe, Gaudreau had to at least know that there were reports that the Isles were involved as it was likely leaked by his team. He couldn't have been that far removed from what was going on - he had to at least have an idea of the landscape behind his Free Agency.

This is pretty much a slightly funny non-story but I like the fact that we boo'ed him. The move from the Coli has rendered the crowd a bit antiseptic. Glad to see there's a bit of an edge still.

 

[mm11]

get the deal done!!!

you gotta get it done: per sweet Lou Saban:

 

[Throttle]

If you told me it got us a cup I would trade the next 10 first round picks without hesitation. I do love some of the prospects in this years draft though. I wouldnt be upset if we held onto the pick.

Some fans want actual hardware, except the downside of not making it. The Isles window is now, why wait for the future?

Something I always look at when player names pop up as potential Isles trade targets....powerplay goals

Bo Horvat:
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Seems like he would for sure help the PP.

Those FOW% are nice too

That’s because one guy on the PP has like 3 of them in 140G.

 

[Throttle]

Below are comparable trades for a Horvat deal:

DeBrincat (RFA) went for the 7th overall, 2nd rounder (39th overall) and a 3rd in '24

Giroux (UFA) Bunnaman and Rubstov went for Tippett, 1st, and a '23 3rd

Eichel (had term) went for Krebs, Tuch, 1st, and a 2nd

Horvat's highest points output was 61 in 82 games in '18-'19, although he's got 20 in 17 this year so he's outpacing his career averages thus far. He's also a pending UFA so I don't think he'll Garner as high a return picks wise as DeBrincat. The fact that Horvat is a leader, center, defensively responsible etc. should help his value.

If VAN is going the rebuild route they're gonna want draft capital without taking on too much $. Value wise, I think an offer of:

Beauvillier, '23 first, '24 second and a B/C level prospect should be enough to get it done.

Deals for pending UFA's never return as much as people on HF want them to, and I believe that is fair value.



If a Horvat trade comes to fruition,

I could see it like this:

Parise-Barzal-Wahlstrom
Lee-Horvat-Nelson
Bailey-Pageau-Palmieri
Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck

This deadline is going to be interesting. There’s a LOT of top talent that are UFAs and unlikely to resign with their current teams. That talent is offensive. There’s a gonna be a shift this year in acquiring scoring over depth if most of these guys get traded.

On average, there’s 6 first rounders traded around the deadline per year.

Lou likes to trade and resign, so seems like any deal would not be a toss away, but Isles would get termed value out of the acquired player.

Caution for the prospect, youth, and ‘oldest team in the league’ lovers: The team will get older.

 

[doublechili]

The Karlsson talk is interesting. If he was in the last year (or even 2) of his contract it would be one thing. But he's 32 and has 4 more years AFTER this season at $11.5M per year. Adding him would mean bye bye Mayfield and some other guys too, and forget about adding anyone else for 4 years.

 

[NC 1972]

I get what your saying, but if they continue playing great hockey they need to go for it IMO.

I'm a huge Wally fan. Although he may not pan out to what many expect, I think his positive attributes (shooters mentality, solid checker) can be accentuated and help us win. I don't think he's as bad as others do. I try and take the glass half full approach


And has Cup winning experience!

I to feel Wally has attributes we sorley lack, his goal the other night was from 30 feet out, with no screen he beat an NHL goaltender clean with a wrist shoot.

 

[PK Cronin]

I to feel Wally has attributes we sorley lack, his goal the other night was from 30 feet out, with no screen he beat an NHL goaltender clean with a wrist shoot.

Yeah, but if he's only scoring that goal every 9 games it's meaningless.

 

[MJF]

The Karlsson talk is interesting. If he was in the last year (or even 2) of his contract it would be one thing. But he's 32 and has 4 more years AFTER this season at $11.5M per year. Adding him would mean bye bye Mayfield and some other guys too, and forget about adding anyone else for 4 years.

Is this wonder year (so far) for Karlsson a one-off or is this what we should expect from him for the remainder of his contract.

Unless there's 40% salary retention by the Sharks I'd stay away from Erik Karlsson.

 

[NC 1972]

Yeah, but if he's only scoring that goal every 9 games it's meaningless.

So other than Brock and Lee he's tied for third in goals scored on the team with Dobson. Based on his current totals he would project to score 24 goals this year I'll take it . With a cap hit of slightly less than $900,000 I consider that good value.

 

[Mike C]

I to feel Wally has attributes we sorley lack, his goal the other night was from 30 feet out, with no screen he beat an NHL goaltender clean with a wrist shoot.

i also like that he is able to get the puck to the net from angles that other players can't do. he ripped one a couple of games ago that hit the crossbar. i have no issue with him being benched in 3rd periods of close games for better defensive players. use his strengths and compensate for his weaknesses as much as possible

 

[Mike C]

Its also a tad disingenuous on his part. Even the Islanders weren't as interested (or at all) as the reports led us to believe, Gaudreau had to at least know that there were reports that the Isles were involved as it was likely leaked by his team. He couldn't have been that far removed from what was going on - he had to at least have an idea of the landscape behind his Free Agency.

This is pretty much a slightly funny non-story but I like the fact that we boo'ed him. The move from the Coli has rendered the crowd a bit antiseptic. Glad to see there's a bit of an edge still.

being retired, i have some time to read a lot of out of town online papers. i'm not sure if Mr. Hockey is a blatant two faced double talker or he's just an immature over sensitive child but based on a fair amount of reading from the calgary papers the last couple of years, the guy is too concerned with what outside forces (fans, media, etc) think of him and puts himself in a position of looking foolish by responding to such matters

reminds me of Kevin Durant in that regard

 

[PK Cronin]

So other than Brock and Lee he's tied for third in goals scored on the team with Dobson. Based on his current totals he would project to score 24 goals this year I'll take it . With a cap hit of slightly less than $900,000 I consider that good value.

The question is, is Wahlstrom going to be the one we've seen recently where he doesn't score for 9 games at a time or will he revert back to what we saw early on when he scored a bunch? If he's not scoring for 9 games, he's a detriment to the team because he does nothing else well enough to keep him in the lineup. If he's scoring in bunches, that's what the team needs.

 

[mm11]

i also like that he is able to get the puck to the net from angles that other players can't do. he ripped one a couple of games ago that hit the crossbar. i have no issue with him being benched in 3rd periods of close games for better defensive players. use his strengths and compensate for his weaknesses as much as possible

Ya, the one that plucked the crossbar, Wally sniped that one. Heck, he was celebrating before it went in.
Tantalizing shot he has, keep it simple kid, find the soft spots and rip it. Hit some guys and don't get fancy at the blue line. Keep your head down, arm straight, eye on the ball weight evenly distributed, athletic stance and watch the wind! ooooops wrong sport.......... Nuff said!

 

[Mike C]

The question is, is Wahlstrom going to be the one we've seen recently where he doesn't score for 9 games at a time or will he revert back to what we saw early on when he scored a bunch? If he's not scoring for 9 games, he's a detriment to the team because he does nothing else well enough to keep him in the lineup. If he's scoring in bunches, that's what the team needs.

if he isn't scoring, i don't mind him on the 3rd or 4th line because he likes to hit people and playing down the line theoretically means he's facing lesser defensive opponents which may help him get back on track (of course i'm smart enough to know the opposite of maybe is maybe not!)

 

[PK Cronin]

if he isn't scoring, i don't mind him on the 3rd or 4th line because he likes to hit people and playing down the line theoretically means he's facing lesser defensive opponents which may help him get back on track (of course i'm smart enough to know the opposite of maybe is maybe not!)

He played on the third line last year and it didn't help him get on track, everyone kept saying how he needs to play with Barzal. Now he's with Barzal and we're talking about him going back to the third line. Wahlstrom just hasn't scored at a pace or consistency that the team needs, and it seems to be a trend with him.

This season he's gone 9 games between goals.
Last season he had stretches of 10, 12, 11, 8, and 13 games between goals. That's more than half the season he just isn't scoring at all.
In 2020-21, with almost half the amount of games played, he had two stretches of 10 games between goals.
His first season in 2019-20 he went all 9 of his games without a goal.

He's supposed to be the best shooter on the team but he's having these massive droughts, and other than being willing to throw hits, he doesn't do much else. He can't carry the puck, he doesn't pass particularly well, he takes bad penalties, he doesn't PK, and he's not someone you'd confuse with a good defensive forward (I think he's made strides in this area though). It wouldn't be so bad if he did anything else, but he doesn't, and he's consistently getting benched late in games because he can't be trusted.

Being 22, he still has some time but not as much as some people might think.

 

[Mike C]

He played on the third line last year and it didn't help him get on track, everyone kept saying how he needs to play with Barzal. Now he's with Barzal and we're talking about him going back to the third line. Wahlstrom just hasn't scored at a pace or consistency that the team needs, and it seems to be a trend with him.

This season he's gone 9 games between goals.
Last season he had stretches of 10, 12, 11, 8, and 13 games between goals. That's more than half the season he just isn't scoring at all.
In 2020-21, with almost half the amount of games played, he had two stretches of 10 games between goals.
His first season in 2019-20 he went all 9 of his games without a goal.

He's supposed to be the best shooter on the team but he's having these massive droughts, and other than being willing to throw hits, he doesn't do much else. He can't carry the puck, he doesn't pass particularly well, he takes bad penalties, he doesn't PK, and he's not someone you'd confuse with a good defensive forward (I think he's made strides in this area though). It wouldn't be so bad if he did anything else, but he doesn't, and he's consistently getting benched late in games because he can't be trusted.

Being 22, he still has some time but not as much as some people might think.

definitely with you on the bad penalties. i'm hoping as the season goes along, he will show signs of improvement. also hoping being out of Barry's doghouse helps. all in all, i'm ok for right now with him. he's a plus 7 and hasn't stopped husting

got the wife an NYI t shirt for christmas....me and the kid are trying to make her a fan!!

 

[PK Cronin]

definitely with you on the bad penalties. i'm hoping as the season goes along, he will show signs of improvement. also hoping being out of Barry's doghouse helps. all in all, i'm ok for right now with him. he's a plus 7 and hasn't stopped husting

got the wife an NYI t shirt for christmas....me and the kid are trying to make her a fan!!

Seems like he's in Lambert's doghouse too though. I just want him to get hot and stay hot.

 

[seafoam]

Soshnikov cleared waivers.

 

[Mike C]

Seems like he's in Lambert's doghouse too though. I just want him to get hot and stay hot.

you may be right but i haven't read or heard anything to know if that's true or not....i'm hoping lane is just trying to maximize his effectiveness and minimize his shortcomings. definitely rooting for some more consistency for sure!

 

[duster19]

Soshnikov cleared waivers.

Assigned to Bridgeport too. So something is coming….