Exactly. If he is moved, he will immediately have a 4 point game and go back to his previous form. Guaranteed.
Roster Building XXV: Winning Rantanen's Undying Love
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TheReelChuckFletcher
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Contrary to the commentators on the main board, the Canes wouldn't be doing this if they didn't like the return. If the package was not up to Tulsky's snuff, they would just own-rental him. It's probably going to be in the young talent vein, however, but Dallas has drafted incredibly well over the years, so the fruits are particularly ripe and sweet over there.
TheReelChuckFletcher
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If this is the case, then the return could potentially be huge.
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If he's extending in Dallas, then Stankoven is just not good enough as the centerpiece of a deal.
Hol up…Stankoven plus?
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So we got a double-dip in the big hockey news market this spring? Dundon likey.
Definitely not getting Johnston or Robertson. Stankoven id imagine maybe marchment or that giant d man they have bischel plus picks
TheReelChuckFletcher
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Mavrik Bourque, as a RH center, is more of a need for Carolina than Bichsel.
Yea I guess stankoven Bourque and picks would be the most likely outcome
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Other players they're not trading but I want include Heiskanen and Hintz
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Why not Robertson if Rantanen is extended ?
Why would Dallas move stankoven and Robertson for Rantanen to me they would just be worse
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I apologize for not reading the full conversation. I thought you were talking about Robertson as the main piece
So do we take another swing at EP while his value his tanking? Should have at least 1 extra first round pick now. If Canucks are desperate enough to get out of that deal maybe KK couple picks and prospect could get it done
If you can get Bischel you could move Orlov for a haul. Then all of a sudden you’ve got a left side of Slavin, Nikishin, Bischel going into next season and probably for many years to come
It’s all about the return here, until then it’s really hard to speculate.
Brock Nelson just went for a good prospect, a 1st, a 3rd, and a guy that Scott Wheeler rated as the 21st best prospect in hockey last month. And he’s a pending UFA.
To me, Stankoven + Bourque doesn’t do it for me. But we’ll see what the ++ (hopefully ++++++++) is.
Brock Nelson just went for a good prospect, a 1st, a 3rd, and a guy that Scott Wheeler rated as the 21st best prospect in hockey last month. And he’s a pending UFA.
To me, Stankoven + Bourque doesn’t do it for me. But we’ll see what the ++ (hopefully ++++++++) is.
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Treated him? That poor abused baby. How dare we try to find chemistry since he scored nothing and can't complete a pass. How about he should have acted like a player that is expecting the biggest ufa contract in the league instead of a sulky moody bitch?
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Does it change your perspective if you treat it not as “Rantanen for Stankoven + Borque” and instead as “Necas for Stankoven + Borque + the opportunity to sign Rantanen before any other team”?
It does, and I just finished a post on the main boards that shows the net-net ins/outs of this won’t look catastrophic at the end of the day, but that’s not quite what I’m going for in the post you’re quoting.
In the post you’re quoting, I’m saying in the here and now Brock Nelson just went for what he did, so Tulsky better make damn sure he gets a hell of a lot more for Rantanen than the Isles did for Nelson.
(My main board post, idk why)
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Extended? Yeah he brings way more than stank borque. But Dallas is also running to win it all with this move and I'm not sure how you give up Johnston in this scenario who's definitely your 2c. That's their 1c basically. I still want stank. Realistically a extended rantanen brings maybe stank Robertson and a 1st. Gonna be a low ass first though if it's theirs.
I want guys in their early 20s who are grade A. And stank or Johnston (not happening) solves our 2c issue. Stank with svech will cover his size.
Until last night I wanted rantanen. After seeing him last night I never want to see him in na canes sweater again. I've never seen such worthless care noting play from a player that caliber.
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Did you miss that the Islanders immediately flipped Kylington to the Ducks for future considerations? So obviously, either the “good prospect” or the “21st best prospect” (couldn’t tell you which one is Kylington) is not as big of a factor as you’re making it out to be.
Nelson got a (likely) late 1st, a 3rd two drafts from now, and a good prospect. If we can get Stankoven + Borque + 1st for Rantanen, that’s basically the same.
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Also it we do get Johnston (x doubt) i would have traded nachos for that 100 times over.
I don't see them giving him up even for 8 of rantanen though.
I don't see them giving him up even for 8 of rantanen though.
I listed good prospect twice, my bad. Editing a post sitting on the toilet at 5:30am on my phone, forgot to remove the first “good prospect” when going to the Athletic app to see where Wheeler ranked Ritchie. I’m not including Kylington at all.
Your second point is basically what I’m pushing against, though. “Basically the same” for Rantanen when compared to what Brock Nelson gets isn’t good enough.
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Why? Both are upcoming UFAs, Nelson”s more valuable position (being a center) and is producing more than Rantanen over the last few months. Yeah, Rantanen has the higher potential, but if he IS a product of Makar/McKinnon, that’s something Dallas has to take into account as well.
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