Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

[surlysailor]

I just don't want BO get the KK and LaF treatment.

Top prospects that got shoved into the 3rd line and it stunted them.

Also, BOs game I think would play better with Krieder and Tro, and we have all want Chytil with Bread for 2 years

100%, but given GG record with rookies/young guys he’ll most likely get that treatment. I just think he’ll start the year in the A and then if he’s lighting it up then he’ll get the call. Hell get the hagelin treatment instead of being slotted in to the nhl with no safety net. If he forces his way up, nyr will be thrilled, if he takes a year nyr will be patient. That being said if BO makes the team out of the gate and he’s paired with ck-troch/chytil I don’t think his toi will be too limited, and if said line clicks the coach might throw out the top 9 out somewhat evenly and it gives Bo 1 or 2 players who can actually take him under his wing and make him better

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I hate the idea of Panarin with Chytil. Offensively, I can see it make sense. But Chytil is prone to some turnovers in the neutral zone and at the offensive blue line and so is Panarin. It spells disaster.

I’d put Kreider with Chytil and Panarin with Trocheck. I agree first like should be Laf, Zib, Kakko. Sink or swim. Give them 30-50 games. It won’t be though. They’ll be scattered around the lineup and play PP2

 

[UnparalledPark]

Yeah the 2nd best defenseman, at least, in the world is gonna take 8 holy shit the delusi Rangers were the only team he would play for. He probably would have played hear for 7.

Yeah the 2nd best defenseman, at least, in the world is gonna take 8 holy shit the delusion

Rangers are the only team he would play for. Heck, he probably would have taken 7.5.

 

[Fitzy]

I just don't want BO get the KK and LaF treatment.

Top prospects that got shoved into the 3rd line and it stunted them.

Also, BOs game I think would play better with Krieder and Tro, and we have all want Chytil with Bread for 2 years

Interesting. Playing with Trocheck or Chytil might help with his lack of footspeed.

I hate the idea of Panarin with Chytil. Offensively, I can see it make sense. But Chytil is prone to some turnovers in the neutral zone and at the offensive blue line and so is Panarin. It spells disaster.

I’d put Kreider with Chytil and Panarin with Trocheck. I agree first like should be Laf, Zib, Kakko. Sink or swim. Give them 30-50 games. It won’t be though. They’ll be scattered around the lineup and play PP2

Panarin-Chytil-Grinder is a very real idea. Flashbacks to Isbister and Dubinsky with Jagr, Blackwell/Goodrow with bread earlier.

If we don't have the depth to field 3 top 6 lines again next year, which we likely won't- Panarin-Chytil-spare part makes a lot of sense as the '3rd line'

It allows us a line that will be a danger to score without having to load up with only skill players. Make that third player Vesey, Goodrow- whomever- I think it will work.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Assuming Tarasenko is not brought back (and I hope Kane isn't), if the team leans all into youth and isn't able to move Goodrow for cap relief, this is probably a rough idea of what I'd like to see:

20-93-24
10-72-13
78-16-26
50-76-21

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Interesting. Playing with Trocheck or Chytil might help with his lack of footspeed.



Panarin-Chytil-Grinder is a very real idea. Flashbacks to Isbister and Dubinsky with Jagr, Blackwell/Goodrow with bread earlier.

If we don't have the depth to field 3 top 6 lines again next year, which we likely won't- Panarin-Chytil-spare part makes a lot of sense as the '3rd line'

It allows us a line that will be a danger to score without having to load up with only skill players. Make that third player Vesey, Goodrow- whomever- I think it will work.

I could see it with that type of player as the third part but that player better focus on being the first guy back after a turnover

 

[NYR Viper]

If Panarin stays here’s my goal for the forwards

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Rodriguez
Kreider-Chytil-Brown
Motte-Blueger-Vesey

I could be convinced to re-sign Tarasenko depending on his ask.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Gostisbehere-Schneider

I’m seriously looking at trading Lindgren

 

[CLW]

I just don't want BO get the KK and LaF treatment.

Top prospects that got shoved into the 3rd line and it stunted them.

Also, BOs game I think would play better with Krieder and Tro, and we have all want Chytil with Bread for 2 years

IF Bread stays then he needs a C he can play with, that is a C with hands, mobility and IQ (ie not Chytil).

The "get rid of Strome and bring in Trochek to force Bread to change his style" punt failed spectacularly 9/10 (he did try to be fair). This means IF (likely because of the reasons we all know) Bread stays a new line needs to be built around him, one that works on his terms. That means Chytil will have to be traded for a player with a different look (I doubt they are moving on from Tro after one season).

Using NYR logic Laffy and Chytil are on the block. Drury has painted himself into a corner with a string of poor decisions. Now it's time to face the music.

 

[Vitto79]

they need a cheap backup G so Halak has to take 1 million or look elsewhere

Harpur would clear waivers so they should play Jones and sign another cheap vet depth D

Hajek needs a change of scenery so don’t go down that road again

Not sure if any AHL D are close to ready but they are on a good playoff run

 

[NYR Viper]

I’ve thought about a line of

Panarin-Trochek-Chytil

For a while. I think that would work well. The issue being of course, that leaves the team short a center and one of Lafreniere, Kaako or Kreider would be on the 3rd line.

 

[Fitzy]

I could see it with that type of player as the third part but that player better focus on being the first guy back after a turnover

Yep that’s part of the idea. But it needs to be someone better than Dryden Hunt

 

[Savant]

If Panarin stays here’s my goal for the forwards

Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Kaako
Panarin-Trochek-Rodriguez
Kreider-Chytil-Brown
Motte-Blueger-Vesey

I could be convinced to re-sign Tarasenko depending on his ask.

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Gostisbehere-Schneider

I’m seriously looking at trading Lindgren

I like Rodrigues but he took a 1yr prove it deal with Colorado and basically had a career year. I don’t think he is going to be in Rangers price range. Brown I’ve always thought made sense and I think it’s more likely you are getting him at a discount. Ghost is not leaving Carolina unless someone overpays. They absolutely love him there and he is a great fit for them.

I do think you are into something with moving some guys out to get in guys that solve weaknesses. Lindgren and Miller are guys that might have to go to get better puck moving dmen in. Also maybe some NBA style trades where you have to attach a bad contract to a guy like Miller or Lindgren. Teams wanted a first to eat the JVR deal last offseason and I don’t think GMs are going to be motivated to take less than that, so Rangers are going to have to do something to make their bad contracts more pretty

 

[effen]

Pay Andrew Brunette whatever you have to to handle the offense.

Pay ChatGPT to come up with a defensive/neutral zone structure that gives puck support to the D so they're not just bombing out 50 foot passes or flips and have someone to pass to.

Pay a guy with a taser to zap anyone who stands f***ing still in the neutral zone.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yep that’s part of the idea. But it needs to be someone better than Dryden Hunt

I’ll add that the guy needs to be a shoot first player as well. One of the issues with anyone who plays with Panarin is they don’t shoot. So we need a somewhat speedy, strong on the boards,2-way, shoot-first winger.

A smart, low key signing for this team would be Josh Leivo. He’s strong on the boards, good on possession and shoots quite a bit for his TOI. He probably costs something like 2 years at $900k. He’s been underrated for a while.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I've tried taking a week to sit and stew on that absolute travesty of a series, and I'm still really at a loss for words for the fundamental failures of this organization from top-to-bottom.

I like Gallant, and I said that they should fire David Quinn and hire him the second he was let go by Vegas. Long story short, you can't blow two consecutive 2-0 playoffs series leads while getting decisively out-coached in the process. I know the guys love him, but he needs to be the sacrificial lamb here. I'm going to save a lot of what else I need to say about how getting players to buy in an execute has been a problem for the last 4 years because I've already seen people discuss that. That being said, I don't think simply changing the coaching staff will help this organization do what it needs to do moving forward. I think the largest issue is that Drury needs to figure out a way to modernize their approach for how to handle how the NHL is evolving, and I have a few ideas for where they can start.

Part of it starts with Drury having some self-accountability and realizing that his first few steps for rebuilding the organization after JD and Gorton were fired have been rather flawed. I don't just mean hiring a coaching staff, replacing some of the old scouts, etc. I mean rebuilding the fundamental processes that drive how the organization is ran. My idea to fix it? Hire Ryan Hardy to be the GM. Drury can be PoHO. If you follow the USHL like I do, you know that Hardy already has the track record for building the Chicago Steel into becoming an absolute powerhouse organization because of his top-down approach for how he focused on getting everybody in the organization on the same exact plan. It's exactly why Dubas hired him to be their aGM. It's exactly how Chicago has managed to still be the premier USHL destination after he left. It's exactly how they've had two of their head coaches go on to becoming successful AHL coaches with Brock Sheahan being next in line. It's exactly how they keep recruiting top talent, including next year's first overall, Macklin Celebrini. They built an organizational process where everyone going there knows they're going to get better.

We were looking into Hardy before we hired Ryan Martin to be the aGM. Back up the Brink's truck, Dolan. If you don't believe me, here's a look into his mindset for how it works:

'A certain brand of hockey': How Ryan Hardy fits with Kyle Dubas and the Maple Leafs management team

In late June, Kyle Dubas tapped Hardy as the Leafs' senior director of minor league operations. He'll act as GM of the Marlies and Growlers.

theathletic.com

It’s reasonable to expect that there will be increased integration between various hockey departments, including scouting, development, coaching and management with the Marlies and Growlers.

With the Steel, Hardy emphasized constant communication between departments in the hopes of a clear and unified vision for how the team should perform on the ice. Management laid out their plan for a team, scouts understood that skill-first players with high hockey IQs were a priority for recruitment and coaches and development staff worked together to create development plans for each player that would benefit a skill-first team.

“I think that there’s times that, and I’m just talking about teams in general, where scouts value a certain type of player, and then the development staff gets their hands on them and they see deficiencies but their opinions weren’t valued or what they were looking at wasn’t valued. Whereas if there is collaboration between those two departments, they might be recruiting players that the development staff and the coaching staff want or fit their style of play. We value hockey sense, skill and competitiveness and we make plays,” added Sheahan.

And so under Hardy, it’s likely there will be even more focus on skill and development as well as drafting and recruiting free agent prospects who can bring Dubas and Hardy’s vision to life.

And you know what? That's how they'll fix this bullshit about not having people on the same page, ineffectiveness with development, not getting players to buy in. It starts at the f***ing top. Firing Gallant and replacing him with someone like Sutter is putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. It'll just be more of the same shit just with a different look. Knoblauch's had success lately, but there will be a bit of recency bias evaluating him. His overall track record has been rather lackluster, but again, that's in part due to the organization's failures for giving him talent to work with. I don't think he's what we need moving forward.

None of this will be easy, but it's worth trying. Trying to do things the "Ranger Way" hasn't worked. Fix the process.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I've tried taking a week to sit and stew on that absolute travesty of a series, and I'm still really at a loss for words for the fundamental failures of this organization from top-to-bottom.

I like Gallant, and I said that they should fire David Quinn and hire him the second he was let go by Vegas. Long story short, you can't blow two consecutive 2-0 playoffs series leads while getting decisively out-coached in the process. I know the guys love him, but he needs to be the sacrificial lamb here. I'm going to save a lot of what else I need to say about how getting players to buy in an execute has been a problem for the last 4 years because I've already seen people discuss that. That being said, I don't think simply changing the coaching staff will help this organization do what it needs to do moving forward. I think the largest issue is that Drury needs to figure out a way to modernize their approach for how to handle how the NHL is evolving, and I have a few ideas for where they can start.

Part of it starts with Drury having some self-accountability and realizing that his first few steps for rebuilding the organization after JD and Gorton were fired have been rather flawed. I don't just mean hiring a coaching staff, replacing some of the old scouts, etc. I mean rebuilding the fundamental processes that drive how the organization is ran. My idea to fix it? Hire Ryan Hardy to be the GM. Drury can be PoHO. If you follow the USHL like I do, you know that Hardy already has the track record for building the Chicago Steel into becoming an absolute powerhouse organization because of his top-down approach for how he focused on getting everybody in the organization on the same exact plan. It's exactly why Dubas hired him to be their aGM. It's exactly how Chicago has managed to still be the premier USHL destination after he left. It's exactly how they've had two of their head coaches go on to becoming successful AHL coaches with Brock Sheahan being next in line. It's exactly how they keep recruiting top talent, including next year's first overall, Macklin Celebrini. They built an organizational process where everyone going there knows they're going to get better.

We were looking into Hardy before we hired Ryan Martin to be the aGM. Back up the Brink's truck, Dolan. If you don't believe me, here's a look into his mindset for how it works:

'A certain brand of hockey': How Ryan Hardy fits with Kyle Dubas and the Maple Leafs management team

In late June, Kyle Dubas tapped Hardy as the Leafs' senior director of minor league operations. He'll act as GM of the Marlies and Growlers.

theathletic.com

And you know what? That's how they'll fix this bullshit about not having people on the same page, ineffectiveness with development, not getting players to buy in. It starts at the f***ing top. Firing Gallant and replacing him with someone like Sutter is putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. It'll just be more of the same shit just with a different look. Knoblauch's had success lately, but there will be a bit of recency bias evaluating him. His overall track record has been rather lackluster, but again, that's in part due to the organization's failures for giving him talent to work with. I don't think he's what we need moving forward.

None of this will be easy, but it's worth trying. Trying to do things the "Ranger Way" hasn't worked. Fix the process.

Unfortunately, first step is admittance and for an organization going on 1 cup since Stalin, there seems to be no accountability. So, I'm sure the nepotists at the top of the organization don't even see an issue.

From working in corporate America, lack or failure to communicate on a mass level is a symptom of a rotten hierarchy. Specifically, when it's done as a result of pleasing or being afraid of the psychos at the top.

The values and principals of an organization ("aka the 'tone'") starts at the top and trickles down. The solutions at the lower levels will not have enough reach unless it starts at the top.

In hockey terms, what am I talking about?

Well, addressing and committing to build a winner at all levels within the organization.

Having the proper infrastructure at the scouting, and developmental levels. It feels like we've had the same idiots at the lower levels since the 80s which is why we probably still play like that. Also the lack of communication at this level was apparent with all the fiacos dealing with Andersson, Kravtsov, Lundkvist, and Jones. The scouting seems to have gotten with Drury bringing in his guys, so at least they're on the same page about what we need more of.

And also, what the hell are we telling our younger guys to work on? Like who the hell's in-charge of that because the skating, passing, and puck skills department have been disastrous. Kakko and Laf were a lot better basically before they got here. That's absolutely crazy to me.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

None of this will be easy, but it's worth trying. Trying to do things the "Ranger Way" hasn't worked. Fix the process.

If there is a "Ranger way," doing things that way has gotten us 1 cup in 83 years and I'd be thrilled to change it. I'd gladly be the first to say that. And looking at 1994's formula of building around a core of 3 Hall of Famers and one near Hall of Famer had it not been for injuries (Richter), and a series of trade deadline acquisitions who were brought in but had already played with many players on the core previously as a blueprint for success isn't exactly realistic or repeatable. I was a kid when 1994 happened, but to be honest I get sick of seeing 1994 highlights every year because this team can never win anything now. It's borderline pathetic. Imagine if Leafs fans sat in their basements watching grainy footage of 1967 every year. That's where we're headed if this franchise desn't get itself together and build something that's capable of winning games when it counts.

Last year was a fluke. They had the horses this year, they probably won't next year. Ah, well, who's excited for 5 more years of being a bubble team until the next retool?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

IF Bread stays then he needs a C he can play with, that is a C with hands, mobility and IQ (ie not Chytil).

The "get rid of Strome and bring in Trochek to force Bread to change his style" punt failed spectacularly 9/10 (he did try to be fair). This means IF (likely because of the reasons we all know) Bread stays a new line needs to be built around him, one that works on his terms. That means Chytil will have to be traded for a player with a different look (I doubt they are moving on from Tro after one season).

Using NYR logic Laffy and Chytil are on the block. Drury has painted himself into a corner with a string of poor decisions. Now it's time to face the music.

Lol you know what the main issue is?

Its f***ing panarin. It aint his line mates. Stop with this bullshit

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Assuming Tarasenko is not brought back (and I hope Kane isn't), if the team leans all into youth and isn't able to move Goodrow for cap relief, this is probably a rough idea of what I'd like to see:

20-93-24
10-72-13
78-16-26
50-76-21

Thing is I truly believe the team can be just as competitive if they do this kind of thing, where all the holes are filled with youth. We'd still have Kreider, Zibanejad, Panarin, and Trocheck. Keep Vesey, but just fill the rest of the lineup with youth.

 

[CLW]

Lol you know what the main issue is?

Its f***ing panarin. It aint his line mates. Stop with this bullshit

I know. The point was that Panarin needs to be moved but most likely they can't. So then what would you do? Move Kreider? Do nothing and pretend everything is peachy?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I know. The point was that Panarin needs to be moved but most likely they can't. So then what would you do? Move Kreider? Do nothing and pretend everything is peachy?

I force him out honestly. Hes addition by subtraction.

I dont care what he wants anymore. No more catering to his bullshit. We tried and showed it this year, Panarin and buddies. It Didnt work. He plays on a line that we tell him to and he shuts up about it. If he doesnt like it then he can waive his ntc and we move him like we wanted to to begin with.

Play him with Goodie and vesey on the 4th line for all i care. He wants to play with plugs then fine.

 

[CLW]

I force him out honestly. Hes addition by subtraction.

I dont care what he wants anymore. No more catering to his bullshit. We tried and showed it this year, Panarin and buddies. It Didnt work. He plays on a line that we tell him to and he shuts up about it. If he doesnt like it then he can waive his ntc and we move him like we wanted to to begin with.

Play him with Goodie and vesey on the 4th line for all i care. He wants to play with plugs then fine.

Sure, I agree, but I'll believe this happens when I see it. The Rangers will simmer for a few weeks then convince themselves (again) they need a functional Panarin line in the playoffs and go from there. It's the easiest way out so that's what they will do.

 

[bleedblue94]

IF Bread stays then he needs a C he can play with, that is a C with hands, mobility and IQ (ie not Chytil).

The "get rid of Strome and bring in Trochek to force Bread to change his style" punt failed spectacularly 9/10 (he did try to be fair). This means IF (likely because of the reasons we all know) Bread stays a new line needs to be built around him, one that works on his terms. That means Chytil will have to be traded for a player with a different look (I doubt they are moving on from Tro after one season).

Using NYR logic Laffy and Chytil are on the block. Drury has painted himself into a corner with a string of poor decisions. Now it's time to face the music.

This is the exact logic that has gotten this franchise in a pretzel to begin with. the idea that the roster needs to be constructed to work around a player. that breeds entitlement and belief that the player is more important than the group. panarin needs to be involved in a team game and contributed to, not going out and signing a layer like vinny to compensate for panarin's "weaknesses" or borderline unwillingness to play in all areas of the ice.

and again, i hated the vinny signing the moment it happened bc he was not the fit here to "fix" panarin and simply being "better than strome" was not a justification to sign him and box the roster into this group for term.

I know. The point was that Panarin needs to be moved but most likely they can't. So then what would you do? Move Kreider? Do nothing and pretend everything is peachy?

take the A off his jersey (embarrassing that it is there in the first place), lessen his minutes, and put him on pp2.

he will either get the message or be open to a trade.

 

[Good Intentions]

Interesting. Playing with Trocheck or Chytil might help with his lack of footspeed.



Panarin-Chytil-Grinder is a very real idea. Flashbacks to Isbister and Dubinsky with Jagr, Blackwell/Goodrow with bread earlier.

…You want for me to “flash back” to that fondly? Serious now?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Krieder Trochek Kakko
Laffy Zibs
Chytl Cuylle
Panarin Goodie Vesey