Roster Building Thread VI (2022-23): Offseason edition

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I asked ChatGPT why did Panarin struggle in the playoffs.

As an AI language model, I cannot provide a definitive answer to this question, as there may be multiple factors that could have contributed to Artemi Panarin's struggles in the playoffs. However, it is worth noting that playoff performance can be influenced by a variety of factors, including the strength of the opposing team's defense and goaltending, injuries, team chemistry, and individual player preparation and mindset.

It is also important to remember that hockey is a team sport, and individual player performance is not solely responsible for a team's success or failure in the playoffs. Therefore, while Artemi Panarin may have struggled in certain playoff games or series, it is likely that there were other contributing factors that affected his team's overall performance.
 

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The alternative is that Drury fires GG, brings in another coach, and keeps the roster relatively static for one more season.

Next offseasion is when Trouba's NMC expires. He and Panarin could both go in a total overhaul. Lindgren needs an extension, and Shesty has one pivotal year remaining on his contract. I'd like to see changes this summer but 'one more run' with Panarin and a new coach also seems possible.
i know people dont want to hear this but i dont think trouba is gone after next season. i know they traded cally when he was captain, but it was a different circumstance, and i think if they had any real eye on trading him in the coming years they would have avoided making him captain.
 
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i know people dont want to hear this but i dont think trouba is gone after next season. i know they traded cally when he was captain, but it was a different circumstance, and i think if they had any real eye on trading him in the coming years they would have avoided making him captain.


he is cooked, and he is a POS for his involvement in the Beach situation. Keep him the f*** away from this organization...
Pretty sure he is talking about Devon Toews from the Avs, who would be an excellent fit here.

Although his brain would probably fall out of his head the moment he comes to NY, as it does for 99% of players.
 
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New coach the main reason is because Zib, Kreider and Panarin are running this team. They seem to dictate who they play with. There's absolutely no other reason to justify having Vesey and Goodrow in the top 6 for a lot of the year while you have two high draft picks on the third line. Imo they are holding onto their spots in the lineup to the detriment of the kids. If Kreider was this wonderful team guy he'd have jumped to the right side already, something he willingly does when Panarin joins that line. This team is going nowhere without our high draft picks, the focus needs to be on them, not a couple regular season stars.
 

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More speed. More tenacity. More size.

10000% clean the fish smell off of him and he's a must sign IMO. Get rid of Goodrow and add him.

One of my top targets.


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Voting against adding the player that makes me think of redneck comedy every time his name is mentioned.
 
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i know people dont want to hear this but i dont think trouba is gone after next season. i know they traded cally when he was captain, but it was a different circumstance, and i think if they had any real eye on trading him in the coming years they would have avoided making him captain.


he is cooked, and he is a POS for his involvement in the Beach situation. Keep him the f*** away from this organization...

They’ve traded their last 2 captains in mid-season trades. I like Trouba but the Rangers don’t care
 
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More speed. More tenacity. More size.

10000% clean the fish smell off of him and he's a must sign IMO. Get rid of Goodrow and add him.

One of my top targets.


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Dump Goodrow and get this guy.

I swear, Cardio Jake could have done the same thing Goodrow did this playoffs. He has actually been solid for Hartford.
 
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Pretty sure he is talking about Devon Toews from the Avs, who would be an excellent fit here.

Although his brain would probably fall out of his head the moment he comes to NY, as it does for 99% of players.
Oops haha

why are the avs trading him?

Devon Toews, brother


Devon Toews... was in response to an Avs poster
yeah, oops haha

They’ve traded their last 2 captains in mid-season trades. I like Trouba but the Rangers don’t care
i mean cally was entirely about a ufa contract situation and mac was literally when they wrote a letter to the fan base about nuking the roster and about term winding down on his contract so they are very different then talking about someone with significant term
 

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Oops haha

why are the avs trading him?


yeah, oops haha


i mean cally was entirely about a ufa contract situation and mac was literally when they wrote a letter to the fan base about nuking the roster and about term winding down on his contract so they are very different then talking about someone with significant term

Not many Ranger captains have had good send offs if you look back on it.
 

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Here my just woke up prob incoherent thoughts on what drury will actually do. He’ll keep GG unless someone else he really likes becomes available(highly unlikely) but will replace assistants. I’m not a fan of it but maybe Knob becomes an assistant, gets to know the players and takes over for GG if the team falters out the gate. He will only move Goodrow, Drury isn’t afraid to admit his mistakes (Nemeth), I just hope it doesn’t come at the cost of nyr having to add. Laff & panarin will be back. No reason to move laff, he had more es point than kreider, and you’ll have to sign a similar player for more money than laff will get as an rfa or trade a big asset for a similar player under contract. I think laff deserves to move up, even if he doesn’t get more pp time he should be on the ice more 5v5. Drury wont move his players/assets just to move them. like with Lundkvist, he’ll be patient until gets a deal he’s happy with. Sure Laff didn’t do anything point wise in the Playoffs, but he was great last playoffs and it’s a learning experience. As for Panarin, a) I don’t think he’ll waive b) again drury won’t give away a 90pt player for less than Dru thinks is fair value, esp with the small amount of teams who can absorb that hit which limits his negotiating ability. In fa I think he goes bargain hunting for 1 year deals and players who can come to a potential playoff team and get a big contract next season. I’d be looking at 1 years deals for one of nyquist/Zucker/compher using goodrow money. Then 2 of brown/anthanaseou/girgensons/bluger/Rodrigues as either a reclamation project or players who can serve the bottom 6 but can move up in case of injuries, but also if cuylle and/or Othmann earn the call up and stick nyr can waive/trade. I also think drury brings back Blidth as a 13/14 forward, I think he’s earned by leading the way in Hartford during the playoffs.

Also I don’t see a huge cap clearing move until 24/25 when nyr see if Matthew’s will become a Fa. If it looks that way and Tor knows he’s gone, I can see him shipping out 1 or 2 of kreider/trouba/panarin in order to go all in for Matthews, maybe even overpay a bit to get negotiation rights at the 24 draft. Esp if Dolan/sather is in his ear about making a big splash if nyr season next year goes as expected.
 
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How did we get here?

Fox, a generational 1 ov caliber talent, specially targeted his hometown team as his destination. A gift.

Shesterkin is selected in the arm pit of Round 4, four selections after their next pick of Richard Nejezchleb who you know from the Greenville Swamp Rabbits. Shesterkin goes on to not only succeed Henrik, but the situation of leaving your best player out to dry mirrors the same organizational ineptitude that plagued us for the decade prior.

Trouba’s fiancée is in medical school and therefore can only be in New York. Trouba forces his way here with an 8M AAV hit over 7 years.

Panarin looks bound for Florida or Long Island, and somehow finds his way here by UFA morning. MVP caliber first season, he does not resemble the player we signed. If this is baseball, he’s hitting home runs in 12-4 victories in July. I do not think winning a cup is that important to him. He’s here to cherry pick offense and f*** around at 11.6

Despite incredible luck of winning consecutive lottery situations, the result of 13 and 24 reflect players that would be taken later in the round - replaceable parts with projectable upside. Instead of a Seider or Zegras, Kakko’s game resembles the caliber of player you’d want at 20 ov - the pick we dealt to Winnipeg in the Trouba deal. As for 13, that’s the one I have a bigger problem with. Hughes looks like the league’s succession plan to Crosby, and we’re stuck with this awkward goofy child skating in sludge. That’s the franchise differentiator.
 

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If there are no moves from the current roster...

LaF/Zib/Kakko
Krieder/Trocheck/Othmann
Panarin/Chytil/Goodrow
Cuyille/UFA/Vesey

Lindy/Fox
Miller/Schneider
Jones/Trouba

That said, would like some tinkering (Panarin on the next flight to anywhere)
 
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If there are no moves from the current roster...

LaF/Zib/Kakko
Krieder/Trocheck/Othmann
Panarin/Chytil/Goodrow
Cuyille/UFA/Vesey

Lindy/Fox
Miller/Schneider
Jones/Trouba

That said, would like some tinkering (Panarin on the next flight to anywhere)
I like the overall idea. I actually would swap panarin and kreider. Kreider is a good player but I think his 5v5 time should come down a bit so he can focus more on pp & pk where he’s most effective. I know everyone is pissed at panarin for the playoffs but I don’t think this team would’ve made the playoffs without panarins 90+ points, only z had similar production. I still think expecting othmann to be in the top 6 is wishful thinking. With the way drury has been handling prospects I think he lets him prove himself in the ahl first. If he earns the spot amazing but dru isn’t gifting an nhl spot, esp in the top 6.
 
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I like the overall idea. I actually would swap panarin and kreider. Kreider is a good player but I think his 5v5 time should come down a bit so he can focus more on pp & pk where he’s most effective. I know everyone is pissed at panarin for the playoffs but I don’t think this team would’ve made the playoffs without panarins 90+ points, only z had similar production. I still think expecting othmann to be in the top 6 is wishful thinking. With the way drury has been handling prospects I think he lets him prove himself in the ahl first. If he earns the spot amazing but dru isn’t gifting an nhl spot, esp in the top 6.
I just don't want BO get the KK and LaF treatment.

Top prospects that got shoved into the 3rd line and it stunted them.

Also, BOs game I think would play better with Krieder and Tro, and we have all want Chytil with Bread for 2 years
 
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I like the overall idea. I actually would swap panarin and kreider. Kreider is a good player but I think his 5v5 time should come down a bit so he can focus more on pp & pk where he’s most effective. I know everyone is pissed at panarin for the playoffs but I don’t think this team would’ve made the playoffs without panarins 90+ points, only z had similar production. I still think expecting othmann to be in the top 6 is wishful thinking. With the way drury has been handling prospects I think he lets him prove himself in the ahl first. If he earns the spot amazing but dru isn’t gifting an nhl spot, esp in the top 6.
I don't disagree at all, Kreider should be a 3rd line left wing who gets PP #1 time, PK time, but even strength, let's get him 3rd line. If you look at all his goal scoring in comparison to those around his same number, he has the lowest assist total this past season of any 30 goal scorer. Let him get his 15 - 25 pp / sh goals each year and give us another 15+ on even strength.
 

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How did we get here?

Fox, a generational 1 ov caliber talent, specially targeted his hometown team as his destination. A gift.

Shesterkin is selected in the arm pit of Round 4, four selections after their next pick of Richard Nejezchleb who you know from the Greenville Swamp Rabbits. Shesterkin goes on to not only succeed Henrik, but the situation of leaving your best player out to dry mirrors the same organizational ineptitude that plagued us for the decade prior.

Trouba’s fiancée is in medical school and therefore can only be in New York. Trouba forces his way here with an 8M AAV hit over 7 years.

Panarin looks bound for Florida or Long Island, and somehow finds his way here by UFA morning. MVP caliber first season, he does not resemble the player we signed. If this is baseball, he’s hitting home runs in 12-4 victories in July. I do not think winning a cup is that important to him. He’s here to cherry pick offense and f*** around at 11.6

Despite incredible luck of winning consecutive lottery situations, the result of 13 and 24 reflect players that would be taken later in the round - replaceable parts with projectable upside. Instead of a Seider or Zegras, Kakko’s game resembles the caliber of player you’d want at 20 ov - the pick we dealt to Winnipeg in the Trouba deal. As for 13, that’s the one I have a bigger problem with. Hughes looks like the league’s succession plan to Crosby, and we’re stuck with this awkward goofy child skating in sludge. That’s the franchise differentiator.
Paying Fox 8 and Troubadour 6.5, which was fair, would have given us more flexibility.
 
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I don't disagree at all, Kreider should be a 3rd line left wing who gets PP #1 time, PK time, but even strength, let's get him 3rd line. If you look at all his goal scoring in comparison to those around his same number, he has the lowest assist total this past season of any 30 goal scorer. Let him get his 15 - 25 pp / sh goals each year and give us another 15+ on even strength.
It’s hard to get assists when you are standing in the goal crease half of the game.
 
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