Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[RangerBoy]

Question for the people who are so against giving up lundkvist, a 1st, and a 3rd asset for JT Miller @ 50% retained. How much will Igor cost on his next contract as the most expensive goalie in the nhl?

when over the next 5 years will the rangers have more talent than they would the next 2 postseasons by adding Miller to this roster?

JT Miller is pushing the Rangers over the top? Less than four years ago, the Rangers couldn't wait to get rid of Miller at the deadline. Now JT Miller is the missing piece to the Rangers winning the Cup.

 

[BBKers]

If Drury is smart, he and his team can scour the league for guys with bad contracts who other teams may not be interested in as rentals who cost very little, or finding the correct person. They can also use some of their depth pieces to offset the prices (Gauthier, Hajek, Georgiev). Trading a 1st seems like a bad idea for a team just getting going within the compete window.

I wonder what the going rate will be to absorb salary as well. Imagine if we could fetch a prime asset to help a western conference team take on an expensive player.

Well there are high cost rentals with big cap hits and then there are low cost rentals with a big cap hit.
Pavelski would be a godsend for this team but the cost would be astronomical with no plan on keeping him.
Radulov, on the other hand, could probably be had for Tarmo and a 3rd, and there's a potential spot for him with Panarin and Strome though the collective defensive effort of that line might be a sight to behold, and not in a good way.

This is what I'm talking about. Find guys who are overpaid and teams won't be clamoring for but fill a role and they can be had for far less.

• Rask (Min)
• Janmark (Vegas)
• Zadorov (Calgary)
• Stastny (Peg - If They pick it up)

Are all 4 decent options IMO. UFAs. On cash strapped teams in the West that are all in their Windows (less Peg). They deal us a few of these guys, send us some goodies(picks/prospects), we send cheap scrub contracts back and they get a bit of cap space to maneuver at the deadline to get real & needed pieces. We could even ship these contracts elsewhere at 50% for more assets. If there are any takers. We have $30 M plus in cap space at the TDL. Time to get creative… we might even look into acquiring the Seabrooks LTIR contract from Tampa (or Weber?) to get some cap maneuverability the next few years, if they are willing to part with it…

 

[JimmyG89]

This is what I'm talking about. Find guys who are overpaid and teams won't be clamoring for but fill a role and they can be had for far less.

Max Domi and Phil Kessel are two players I've hoped the Rangers are linked to as rentals. Now, Kessel might not fit into this entirely, but he is making a lot and teams will need retention in order to pull the trigger on him. That probably moves his value from a 2nd to a 1st if you need retention. Same for Domi. Domi would slot in as the 3C and Kessel would probably be best with Zibanejad and Kreider:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kessel
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Lafreniere-Domi-Chytil
Rooney-Goodrow-Reaves/Hunt/Gauthier

You've got multiple centers in this lineup in the bottom 6. Rooney and Chytil can play those roles if needed. Hunt and Gauthier become spare forwards, as it was planned during the offseason. Laf does move down to the 3rd line, but that 3rd line is much improved. Chytil on the wing is much better. Domi is being underutilized in Columbus.

 

[Thirty One]

JT Miller is pushing the Rangers over the top? Less than four years ago, the Rangers couldn't wait to get rid of Miller at the deadline. Now JT Miller is the missing piece to the Rangers winning the Cup.

People change, RangerBoy.

 

[Fitzy]

JT Miller is pushing the Rangers over the top? Less than four years ago, the Rangers couldn't wait to get rid of Miller at the deadline. Now JT Miller is the missing piece to the Rangers winning the Cup.

This is a little intentionally obtuse.

NYR traded back for Nedved, they traded back for Kovalev, situations change.

I don't want JT Miller at his price but it's silly to think he's the same player he was 3 and a half years ago. Surely you don't think the Oilers wouldn't love to have Strome back after seeing him progress.

 

[NYR Viper]

You can do all that speculation or...

The Daily Faceoff Show: Could Artturi Lehkonen net a first-round pick for the Montreal Canadiens? - Daily Faceoff

Frank Seravelli has reported they could get a 1st. He's going to be expensive. Even if it's not a 1st we're not talking a 3rd round pick and a throwaway prospect here. Additionally, according to your math about re-signing Kakko and such the Rangers could not afford to keep him next year at 2.3M+ without seriously sacrificing elsewhere or trading money out just like other teams you mentioned.

Are we saying these 'reports' are always perfectly accurate?

 

[Crease]

This is a little intentionally obtuse.

NYR traded back for Nedved, they traded back for Kovalev, situations change.

I don't want JT Miller at his price but it's silly to think he's the same player he was 3 and a half years ago. Surely you don't think the Oilers wouldn't love to have Strome back after seeing him progress.

Or Ottawa with Zibanejad.

Not for nothing, this team would be pretty loaded right now with Miller, Duclair, Buchnevich, and Namestnikov.

 

[pld459666]

From what I've seen in a very small sample size, 2 things jump out.
1. He gets the puck on, then off, his stick incredibly quickly.
2. His shot. It's accurate and always seems to find its way through defenders.

3. His poise with the puck in not making rushed decisions is also very underrated.

 

[Thirty One]

Are we saying these 'reports' are always perfectly accurate?

Yeah, I'm not going to be carving Seravalli's reports into stone. He gets a lot of extra base hits, but his batting average is low. That said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lehkonen gets a 1st.

 

[Thirty One]

Or Ottawa with Zibanejad.

Not for nothing, this team would be pretty loaded right now with Miller, Duclair, Buchnevich, and Namestnikov.

Getting Miller and Namestnikov at the deadline would be hilarious to me.

 

[pld459666]

JT Miller is pushing the Rangers over the top? Less than four years ago, the Rangers couldn't wait to get rid of Miller at the deadline. Now JT Miller is the missing piece to the Rangers winning the Cup.

Night and Day difference between the player we traded then and the player we would potentially be adding today.

same person, MUCH better player today.

And it was stupid of the then FO to move Miller then. Skill was CLEARLY there, the patience was not.

 

[SA16]

Are we saying these 'reports' are always perfectly accurate?

They are more accurate than the musings and speculations of random posters for sure. He's not just making it up.

 

[Paul Padovano]

JT Miller is pushing the Rangers over the top? Less than four years ago, the Rangers couldn't wait to get rid of Miller at the deadline. Now JT Miller is the missing piece to the Rangers winning the Cup.

There must be a team (possibly the Kings) who have plenty of Center prospects, just like the Rangers have lots of prospects on D and on the wings. These would be the types of deals I'd be looking for (we 'll give you a need for one of our needs). Lundkvist is only 21. Just a yr ago he was the top defense man in the SHL Lets continue to develop him, he'll have more value down the road whether he's going to be staying or going. But in addition to Nils, Vancouver wants a first round pick, as well as a prospect who they feel is even more promising than a Lundkvist? Who? Othmann? I don't think that's a deal I wanna make as a Rangers fan. Besides, I thought we were going to be one of those organizations that's committed to scouting, drafting well, and developing the kids. I also thought trading Miller was a move to show as an organization, they're heading in this new direction (for the Rangers anyway) in the first place. Isn't this philosophical approach the same that was used by Detroit yrs ago when they were making the playoffs yearly, and winning some Cups?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Also a rental which probably interests the Rangers more.

He shouldn't be a rental if he's brought in.

 

[CLW]

Too early to give up or get little back.

Kind of agree, then I look at his cap hit. He picked a bad time to wobble, the team really needed to see him take a strong step forward. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him prosper somewhere else in 3-4 years time.

 

[Thirty One]

Night and Day difference between the player we traded then and the player we would potentially be adding today.

same person, MUCH better player today.

And it was stupid of the then FO to move Miller then. Skill was CLEARLY there, the patience was not.

By Miller's own account, the second time he was traded it was a wake up call to him. I don't think patience would have worked, unfortunately. Sometimes players just need a kick in the ass.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

No, bit I do love me some ice cold milk and chips ahoy

My like button is still under suspension for another 7 years so consider this note a like

 

[Anthony5967]

I don't think Gourde can be had.

Copp is the 3C you're looking for. He and Lehkonen are pretty easy adds for me if the Rangers want to pony up assets.

Chychrun is someone they should be in on because of length of contract after this season. If we're going to burn bigger assets (Nils for instance) it should be here.

How are they affording Strome and Copp? People realize they’re already up against the cap if they sign Strome, right?

 

[Matt Rentfree]

There must be a team (possibly the Kings) who have plenty of Center prospects, just like the Rangers have lots of prospects on D and on the wings. These would be the types of deals I'd be looking for (we 'll give you a need for one of our needs). Lundkvist is only 21. Just a yr ago he was the top defense man in the SHL Lets continue to develop him more, he'll have more value down the road whether he's going to be staying or going. But in addition to Nils, Vancouver wants a first round pick, as well as a prospect who they feel is even more promising than a Lundkvist? Who? Othmann? I don't think that's a deal I wanna make as a Rangers fan. Besides, I thought we were going to be one of those organizations that's committed to scouting, drafting well, and developing the kids. I thought trading Miller was a move to show they're heading towards this new direction in the first place. Isn't this philosophical approach the same that was used by Detroit yrs ago when they were making the playoffs yearly, and winning some Cups?

I think I posted this yesterday or the day before, but Dallas has 5 Centers in their top 10 prospects (as ranked by Wheeler)

1) Wyatt Johnson
2) Mavrik Bourque
6) Riley Damiani
7) Ty Dellandrea
9) Jacob Peterson

Their highest ranked RHD prospect is:

13) Jack Bar

I think there's a potential deal to be made here.

EDIT: Just my personal opinion but I'd rank Peterson higher than Dellandrea.

 

[bleedblue94]

We just did it ourselves in 2018.

I'm assuming you mean 2017, and it's still supremely rare.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Getting Miller and Namestnikov at the deadline would be hilarious to me.

It would be, but Namestnikov would not be a bad pickup and hes probably not going to cost much either.

 

[McRanger]

This is a little intentionally obtuse.

NYR traded back for Nedved, they traded back for Kovalev, situations change.

I don't want JT Miller at his price but it's silly to think he's the same player he was 3 and a half years ago. Surely you don't think the Oilers wouldn't love to have Strome back after seeing him progress.

They traded for Nedved. They traded Nedved. They traded Kovalev for Nedved. They traded for Kovalev. They traded Nedved. They traded Kovalev...

 

[LokiDog]

It definitely wouldn’t hurt for Drury to let teams know that he’ll retain an additional 50% on their deadline acquisitions for a fee.

Say Colorado wants to load up but doesn’t have the cap for both Giordano and Giroux (I haven’t looked at the numbers). So PHI retains 50% on Giroux and the Rangers retain another 50% for a fee and Colorado picks up Giroux at 25% and can now afford to add that other player to go all in.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Don’t know about you guys but I’m looking forward to 2 weeks of Kessel at deadline debates

 

[McRanger]

Getting Miller and Namestnikov at the deadline would be hilarious to me.

Is it more hilarious if they keep both or if they trade for Namestnikov and then flip him for Miller?