Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Pawnee Rangers]

I agree on Schneider and as much as I love nils I think he gets moved as part of a bigger package. I’d love to use him to build around for chychrun

In a perfect world, we'd see Lundkvist and Schneider paired together next season. I don't really see what all the hype is around Jones. And if they don't see Lundkvist playing this year, they need to find another body for the third pair because Gallant doesn't seem to keen on having Jones out there late in tight games.

 

[mas0764]

In a perfect world, we'd see Lundkvist and Schneider paired together next season. I don't really see what all the hype is around Jones. And if they don't see Lundkvist playing this year, they need to find another body for the third pair because Gallant doesn't seem to keen on having Jones out there late in tight games.

Lundkvist-Schneider could be an awesome pairing.

Miller-Fox
Lundkvist-Schneider
Robertson-Jones

Could be a group you win Cups with.

 

[gravey9]

One of Gallant's strengths is his ability to make the most of plugs who can skate. He really does get the most out of these players because he does his best not to overexpose them, while using them to eat up as many low value minutes as possible. It's unclear how far that strategy can take a team. I think pretty far. But not necessarily to a Stanley Cup if we have to go through at least 2 much deeper teams like Tampa, Colorado, Florida, Washington and Carolina.

Right now, due to injuries and a lack of depth, we have too many guys that don't really do anything well except skate -- Rooney, McKegg, Gauthier (and one could include Chytil as well). What the team really lacks up front is depth pieces that have high hockey IQ. I don't mean scoring IQ. I mean always making the right play in your own zone and the neutral zone. Being hard on pucks. Not panicking. Making simple smart plays. Guys like Goodrow and Barron are examples. And actually i think Reaves has more hockey IQ than Rooney/McKegg/Gauths/Chytil). I think the targets at the deadline need to be forwards that PK, skate well, and make really smart simple plays. Give Gallant players who manage the puck/game well. If you give him those pieces and one vet D who can play a smart simple game, we will become a much harder team to play against -- especially against highly skilled teams.

 

[NYR Viper]

If Drury is smart, he and his team can scour the league for guys with bad contracts who other teams may not be interested in as rentals who cost very little, or finding the correct person. They can also use some of their depth pieces to offset the prices (Gauthier, Hajek, Georgiev). Trading a 1st seems like a bad idea for a team just getting going within the compete window.

 

[mas0764]

If Drury is smart, he and his team can scour the league for guys with bad contracts who other teams may not be interested in as rentals who cost very little, or finding the correct person. They can also use some of their depth pieces to offset the prices (Gauthier, Hajek, Georgiev). Trading a 1st seems like a bad idea for a team just getting going within the compete window.

I wonder what the going rate will be to absorb salary as well.

Imagine if we could fetch a prime asset to help a western conference team take on an expensive player.

 

[rangers1314]

In a perfect world, we'd see Lundkvist and Schneider paired together next season. I don't really see what all the hype is around Jones. And if they don't see Lundkvist playing this year, they need to find another body for the third pair because Gallant doesn't seem to keen on having Jones out there late in tight games.

From what I've seen in a very small sample size, 2 things jump out.
1. He gets the puck on, then off, his stick incredibly quickly.
2. His shot. It's accurate and always seems to find its way through defenders.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I agree on Schneider and as much as I love nils I think he gets moved as part of a bigger package. I’d love to use him to build around for chychrun

What a terrible idea.

Listen i know chychrun would be nice but that would deplete our farm where we are already super deep on defense. Just to trade for another defender who will likely play 3rd pairing minutes and barely get PP time. This move only makes sense if we are moving Kandre miller for a legit center. But It becomes a domino affect of having to make trades in order to make things work.

This is foolish way of using our assets. We already have top defensive prospects trying to play for our team in Nils, Jones, Schneider.. Robertson coming along nicely, ruenenen who has been solid..,

You dont move our best tradeable assets for more assets on defense that we do not need. You trade them for the glaring issues that are... a young 2nd line center.

If we are going after a defensman it should be a player like Gavrikov or de haan, leddy. People who can be had for cheap that can solidify the 3rd pairing.

 

[Thirty One]

This move only makes sense if we are moving Kandre miller for a legit center.

Or moving K'Andre into a legit center.

Sorry. Just wanted to say it before someone else did.

 

[bbny]

From what I've seen in a very small sample size, 2 things jump out.
1. He gets the puck on, then off, his stick incredibly quickly.
2. His shot. It's accurate and always seems to find its way through defenders.

What sticks out to me is that he is calm with the puck. He doesn’t handle it like a grenade.

 

[Crease]

Lots of suggestions to move KAM. Is it because he's big but doesn't hit?

 

[CupSeeker]

Basically i think all we need is a solid 3C. And i mean go for gold and get Miller, we have the cap space this year.


Kreider-zib-laf
Pan-strome-kakko
Goody-miller-chytil (krav if he comes over)
Barron-rooney-reaves/hunt (blais next year)

boom!

lindgren-fox
Miller-trouba
Jones-schneider


Shesty
Georgiev (unless edm ponies up 1rd)

trade Georgy in offseason

Silly. This team loses to TB, Carolina, Fl and Pittsburgh not to mention the Avs and the Knights. Our D is too inexperienced to think we can make a run. Keep our prized assets, let them develop and increase their value and go for it in another season where we aren't so green.

 

[gravey9]

From what I've seen in a very small sample size, 2 things jump out.
1. He gets the puck on, then off, his stick incredibly quickly.
2. His shot. It's accurate and always seems to find its way through defenders.

A very underrated part of his game is his pinching. Every game there are a few examples of him reading the play well, pinching down and extending zone time. And he does it confidently, even under pressure. It's miles ahead of what we were getting with Nemeth who is very tentative and often backs out. I would argue Jones is right there or slightly better than Trouba and Miller at this trait as well.

The thing with Jones is, he really needs to be paired with a guy who is great at D positioning and is great at shutting down opposing forechecks. Jones is decent at this, but his stature often means he may have a harder time separating players from the puck and thus, he uses positioning to keep opposition out of high danger areas. Schneider is an ideal partner for him when Fox is back. But we are more likely to see Jones sit in lieu of Hajek or Nemeth.

In general, Jones' confidence with the puck, even at the NHL level, jumps out because so few bottom pairing D seem to have his confidence. Certainly compared to our other bottom pairing options.

 

[tomobson]

Panarin/Strome/Kakko would get eaten alive by most playoff teams. They are too slow. Strome drew a tripping penalty where he looked like he was skating in mud last game. His legs were taking cartoonishly looking strides but he was going nowhere and whoever was backchecking would have easily caught up to him but he panicked and tripped him instead. The Panarin line makes it really hard to find themselves a RW. Chytil has been the most effective in that postion but GG looks like he wants his speed and skill on the third line. My money is on GG going back to Kreider/Mika/Kakko and Laf ending up back on the third line. I think most positive Laf takes this season have unfortunately been confirmation bias more than anything. I have been very unimpressed with him this season but I'm certain he'll turn it around. I just hope GG keeps Goodrow on the third line.

 

[Rangers in 7]

What a terrible idea.

Listen i know chychrun would be nice but that would deplete our farm where we are already super deep on defense. Just to trade for another defender who will likely play 3rd pairing minutes and barely get PP time. This move only makes sense if we are moving Kandre miller for a legit center. But It becomes a domino affect of having to make trades in order to make things work.

This is foolish way of using our assets. We already have top defensive prospects trying to play for our team in Nils, Jones, Schneider.. Robertson coming along nicely, ruenenen who has been solid..,

You dont move our best tradeable assets for more assets on defense that we do not need. You trade them for the glaring issues that are... a young 2nd line center.

If we are going after a defensman it should be a player like Gavrikov or de haan, leddy. People who can be had for cheap that can solidify the 3rd pairing.

See id stick chych with fox for the next 8 years and watch them be the best pair in the nhl. But that’s just me considering chych’s deal is gold right now

 

[bbny]

What a terrible idea.

Listen i know chychrun would be nice but that would deplete our farm where we are already super deep on defense. Just to trade for another defender who will likely play 3rd pairing minutes and barely get PP time. This move only makes sense if we are moving Kandre miller for a legit center. But It becomes a domino affect of having to make trades in order to make things work.

This is foolish way of using our assets. We already have top defensive prospects trying to play for our team in Nils, Jones, Schneider.. Robertson coming along nicely, ruenenen who has been solid..,

You dont move our best tradeable assets for more assets on defense that we do not need. You trade them for the glaring issues that are... a young 2nd line center.

If we are going after a defensman it should be a player like Gavrikov or de haan, leddy. People who can be had for cheap that can solidify the 3rd pairing.

It’s neither terrible nor foolish. We don’t have a top pairing LD and KAM is not yet a top 4 defenseman you can rely on. He’s still developing. Chychrun is cost controlled and can instantly soak up the important minutes. Also consider that Lindgren plays a style of game that can leave him really banged up and in danger of missing games.

We have a deep defensemen pool, but we are not deep defensively for this season. The left side is incredibly weak if the hope is to do damage in the playoffs.

 

[jay from jersey]

I think that ship has sailed, at least for now. The team has a lot riding on Barron coming in and growing in to that spot. Goodrow is a good backup option there.

I really don't like the idea of going out and trying to add Copp, Lehkonen and Leddy/Giordano. We are talking about loading up in a year when the team is still building and the cost to do this would be pretty high overall. On top of that, most of those guys would be pure rentals which is a good way to deplete the system with very little long term value.

this times 10.....
Add a Jarnkrok/Lehkonen and maybe a reliable 3rd pair D on a 1-2 year term and go to war.... I really have no problem with a Jones-Schneider 3rd pair, unfortunately I think Gallant does.
Just like he seems to not want Barron to take the 3C reigns over yet.
To date, that’s my biggest gripe with him so far. These kids have obviously come up and played well. Certainly they are better options.
At least he realized that with Schneider atm.

the big trade is coming during the offseason/draft..... that’s when they are going to land the strome replacement imo. He’ll likely be young and cost controlled and cost a lot of assets...

Im sure Drury would love to add Hertl or Miller for his price, but I don’t see it happening because I don’t see how either can fit in the long term plans...
I would love to add Hertl...but only if we can resign him to a new deal that’s not an albatross, which doesn’t seem likely...
Imo, I want no part of Miller back in NY. He’s certainly grown as a man and a player since he was dealt twice, but he’s 29 and signed for 2 years... that’s not what we’re looking for, that’s another band aid.
I really don’t trust him around the NY nightlife/party scene either tbh. He’s the type of personality we’d have serious buyers remorse from at the cost to get him here...
I’d rather have Horvat, he’s younger and on almost an identical contract, but you don’t seem Van fans trying to push him on everyone like they do with Miller..... somethings rotten in Denmark there.... I know they poured cold water on those locker room rift reports, but imo there was certainly something to them, even if it was blown out of proportion a bit.
Maybe Drury is just driving up the price for Hertl/Miller and surprises us all and drops the hammer on a big trade for Larkin???
Lundkvist+ kravtsov+ chytil+1St???
Hey I can dream right???

 

[Ruggs225]

Silly. This team loses to TB, Carolina, Fl and Pittsburgh not to mention the Avs and the Knights. Our D is too inexperienced to think we can make a run. Keep our prized assets, let them develop and increase their value and go for it in another season where we aren't so green.

we have winning records against TB and FL.

we will never have as much cap room as we do now for a big add.

kreider is having a career year, and so is shesty.

yes we are inexperienced but lan the stars are aligning.

this team just finds ways to win. And if laf or Kakko actually get going.. watch out.

after this year we have cap crunch time. We might not even be able to keep strome. Its a weird situation we are in with vets who are ready but alot of youth that isnt. This could be a year to just go for it.

 

[SA16]

They want a 1st round pick for Lehkonen and he's going to require an extension of over 2.3M. He's not a reasonable target at all.

 

[bbny]

See id stick chych with fox for the next 8 years and watch them be the best pair in the nhl. But that’s just me considering chych’s deal is gold right now

Yup. I love Lindgren, I really do, but he just isn’t a top pairing guy. Fox will be able to play with anyone. Much more confident in Chychrun-Fox soaking up top minutes.

Lindgren-Trouba would be a great physical, dependable 2nd pair. Quite possibly the best 2nd pairing in the NHL.

I also love the idea of a KAM-Schneider pairing. That’s something I could see sticking for the next decade. Let them grow together, and eventually supplant Lindgren-Trouba.

 

[NYR Viper]

They want a 1st round pick for Lehkonen and he's going to require an extension of over 2.3M. He's not a reasonable target at all.

I posted this in the last thread. How many teams, on average, move a 1st rounder at the deadline? Maybe 3 or 4? Who are the top players available who may return that 1st? Pavelski? Klingberg? Giroux? Miller? Hertl? Chychrun? Petry? Chiarot? Lindholm? Manson?

Next question is, which teams can absorb $2.3m in cap hit this season and who have the cap space to re-sign him next year (assuming the team trading a 1st or high pick would want to keep him)? 19 teams are projected to have less than $2m in cap space at the deadline. Of those 19, the vast majority of them are contenders who may be interested in Lehkonen. On top of that, Montreal is the worst of them all which means they aren't going to be able to absorb a bad contract in return. It will need to Lehkonen for futures or $2.3m out for $2.3m in.

Based on these factors, Montreal can ask for a 1st rounder, but I really don't see them receiving that type of offer unless it's something like:

To Team X:
Lehkonen

To Montreal:
Team X 1st

To Team Y:
Bad contract from Team X + MON 3rd

Basically forcing Montreal to pay to offload the contract needed to allow him to fit.

 

[Fitzy]

Well there are high cost rentals with big cap hits and then there are low cost rentals with a big cap hit.

Pavelski would be a godsend for this team but the cost would be astronomical with no plan on keeping him.

Radulov, on the other hand, could probably be had for Tarmo and a 3rd, and there's a potential spot for him with Panarin and Strome though the collective defensive effort of that line might be a sight to behold, and not in a good way.

 

[jay from jersey]

Yup. I love Lindgren, I really do, but he just isn’t a top pairing guy. Fox will be able to play with anyone. Much more confident in Chychrun-Fox soaking up top minutes.

Lindgren-Trouba would be a great physical, dependable 2nd pair. Quite possibly the best 2nd pairing in the NHL.

I also love the idea of a KAM-Schneider pairing. That’s something I could see sticking for the next decade. Let them grow together, and eventually supplant Lindgren-Trouba.

lindgren-Schneider would be a damn good middle pair as well.
Schneider is more then a stay at home D. He’s got good offensive instincts/talents as well

 

[jay from jersey]

They want a 1st round pick for Lehkonen and he's going to require an extension of over 2.3M. He's not a reasonable target at all.

I’m sure they’ll try to get that, but what team is dropping a 1st on a 30 pt 3rd liner that needs a raise at the end of the season??

I stand by my statement of a 2nd+ Renunnen prospect gets it done...... even if it’s not with NYR, I’d expect the Habs to get a similar return from some other team

 

[NYR Viper]

Well there are high cost rentals with big cap hits and then there are low cost rentals with a big cap hit.

Pavelski would be a godsend for this team but the cost would be astronomical with no plan on keeping him.

Radulov, on the other hand, could probably be had for Tarmo and a 3rd, and there's a potential spot for him with Panarin and Strome though the collective defensive effort of that line might be a sight to behold, and not in a good way.

This is what I'm talking about. Find guys who are overpaid and teams won't be clamoring for but fill a role and they can be had for far less.

 

[SA16]

I posted this in the last thread. How many teams, on average, move a 1st rounder at the deadline? Maybe 3 or 4? Who are the top players available who may return that 1st? Pavelski? Klingberg? Giroux? Miller? Hertl? Chychrun? Petry? Chiarot? Lindholm? Manson?

Next question is, which teams can absorb $2.3m in cap hit this season and who have the cap space to re-sign him next year (assuming the team trading a 1st or high pick would want to keep him)? 19 teams are projected to have less than $2m in cap space at the deadline. Of those 19, the vast majority of them are contenders who may be interested in Lehkonen. On top of that, Montreal is the worst of them all which means they aren't going to be able to absorb a bad contract in return. It will need to Lehkonen for futures or $2.3m out for $2.3m in.

Based on these factors, Montreal can ask for a 1st rounder, but I really don't see them receiving that type of offer unless it's something like:

To Team X:
Lehkonen

To Montreal:
Team X 1st

To Team Y:
Bad contract from Team X + MON 3rd

Basically forcing Montreal to pay to offload the contract needed to allow him to fit.

You can do all that speculation or...

The Daily Faceoff Show: Could Artturi Lehkonen net a first-round pick for the Montreal Canadiens? - Daily Faceoff

Frank Seravelli has reported they could get a 1st. He's going to be expensive. Even if it's not a 1st we're not talking a 3rd round pick and a throwaway prospect here. Additionally, according to your math about re-signing Kakko and such the Rangers could not afford to keep him next year at 2.3M+ without seriously sacrificing elsewhere or trading money out just like other teams you mentioned.