Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[jay from jersey]

I think I posted this yesterday or the day before, but Dallas has 5 Centers in their top 10 prospects (as ranked by Wheeler)

1) Wyatt Johnson
2) Mavrik Bourque
6) Riley Damiani
7) Ty Dellandrea
9) Jacob Peterson

Their highest ranked RHD prospect is:

13) Jack Bar

I think there's a potential deal to be made here.

EDIT: Just my personal opinion but I'd rank Peterson higher than Dellandrea.

this is solid thinking here. If they are keeping Seguin/Hintz for at least a few more years, there could be a deal to be had here.....
They are also losing klingberg.....
Damiani and Wyatt Johnson are very interesting prospects from my POV...
Something is going to have to give in LA as well.
id love to get Pinelli, wish they traded up to snag him in the 2nd

 

[Thirty One]

Two first round picks and a 3rd for JT Miller?

You clearly associate the name with something that the player no longer is.

 

[Lion Hound]

Sharks played Lightning last night. Lost 3-2.

Jacob Middleton played for the first time in a month. Was injured. Played 15 mins. He was a plus 1, had 4 hits on the night. Played LD with Vlasic on the Right side.

I asked the Sharks board recently if he was expendable. They all pretty much said they liked him, but he is buried on the depth chart. Also added that from a value perspective, he would be worth at best a 4th round pick.

Initially noticed Middleton in highlights after he stood up for one of his teammates after they were boarded by Adam Lowry. In the scrum he pairs off with Logan Stanley who is like 6'7 and 230lbs. I thought he was going to get his ass kicked, but he won the scrap and his teammates went nuts for it. Was really surprised with him. Then i got to watch him a few more times. Against the Flyers last month he had 2 assists. He was also super physical with 5 hits. Against the Pens, he had a goal and an assist. They rewarded with 20 mins of ice time that night. He is cool as a cucumber in his own end. Nothing flashy, but seems to get the job done by making veteran decisions with the puck. Seems like a really strong teammate, and an option the current team does not have. As much as I want a guy like Hajek to make it, I just don't see him ever progressing into a player who will impact in a limited 5/6 role. In those roles, i think you need guys with intangibles. Guys that will be a factor when the games get heavy. A physical defender that doesn't take himself out of the play. A player with a mean streak. Something that so many NHL defenders seem to lack. I feel like this is the depth guy the Rangers were looking for early in the season when they went after Nemeth and Tinordi.

Go get em!

 

[jay from jersey]

We really haven't had all that much of a chance to draft a C in the first round since then. I mean, fans would have mutinied if they picked Byfield over Laf or Dach/Turcotte/Cozens over Kakko - so winning the lottery ended up being kind of a blessing/kind of a curse.

Before that, we're looking at Kravtsov - personally I wanted them to take Farabee - which wouldn't change anything since he's not a C either.

Really the only "mistake" the front office made drafting centers-wise was taking that Goalie in the 2nd round in 2018 instead of a player like Jack Drury.

The only other argument you can really make is that they should have taken a center instead of Othmann, but it's not like on draft day I was like "I can't believe they passed on Svechkov/Johnson/Lucius/Bolduc etc."

True. I guess they really weren’t high enough on guys like Drury/Pinelli to move up.....
Plus they tried like hell for Lundell and Zergas. The trades just never materialized...
I was so heartbroken we didn’t get Jack Hughes.
Hughes to NYR would have been a match made in heaven... kakko was the nice consolation prize, he’s obviously going to put up more points in the future, but Hughes would have changed the entire dynamic of this team...
If NYR had 1 OA. Instead of 2oA, your looking and long term center positions of
Zibby or Eichel
Hughes
Barron
As our 1-2-3 for the next 5 years plus.....sigh
Buch prob remains a ranger, other moves would have also been made. It just wasn’t meant to be

 

[bbny]

It is terrible and foolish. KAM is steadily improving his game, he is tremendously young and is getting better. Leave him alone. Chychrun may be cost controlled for awhile and can do that but he is a PP guy, he needs PP min. He wont get that here. Plus he would slot on the 3rd pairing. You are not breaking up lindy and fox. KAM and trouba are set. So yes i see it as a mistake.

Lindgren has done nothing but be great for us and is still 23yo!! Girardi and company didnt break down till their 30's. Thats in 7 years. You are overreacting.

Chychrun would absolutely get PP2 minutes. Trouba makes an occasional play, but ultimately isn't very well suited on the PP. From what I've seen, KAM-Trouba do not possess some unbreakable on-ice chemistry. I don't see why that pairing is set in stone. If you want to roll with what we've got, knowing it's a weak spot this year, then it's just a difference of philosophy. I prefer not to potentially waste this season without making a more concerted effort to win, while also not completely sand bagging the future.

Re: my comment about Lindgren's higher chance for injury, I'm not talking about it breaking his body down already like he's old Dan Girardi. I'm talking about a higher probability of him missing games for it even in the short term because he's such a warrior type of player. An example that instantly comes to mind is a guy with similar "do whatever it takes" attitude in Ryan Callahan stepping in front of a Chara slapper at the end of the season, breaking his leg and missing the playoffs in 2011. Our LD depth isn't good for this season. Bringing in a mediocre 3LD depth option doesn't move the needle and also doesn't really give us any assurances in such a scenario.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

You clearly associate the name with something that the player no longer is.

...a man. JT Miller is no longer a man.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

...a man. JT Miller is no longer a man.

and this a Man’s game.

 

[DialUp]

After saying that Zib has been the best Ranger (probably meant lately), he then goes on to say this, which I love:
"4. The Rangers had all sorts of trouble against Calgary early in the year when the Flames were firing, were run out of the rink twice by Colorado, couldn’t handle Carolina for a large part of their only meeting and have trouble keeping up with Vegas.
But the Blueshirts are 2-1 against Florida, 2-1 against Toronto, 2-0 against Tampa Bay and 1-0 against Boston, so, A) the narrative about the Rangers not being able to compete against the upper echelon does not quite hold; and, B) I hereby declare the Blueshirts champions of the Atlantic Division."

 

[JC704]

If you want to put the Rangers over the top, Joe Pavelski is the guy to get. Would strictly be futures, but if the Rangers start with Kravtsov + 1st + something else (maybe a player like Reunanen who is blocked at the NHL level here). From there, I'm thinking with this group maybe you acquire a depth defender to upgrade on Nemeth, or maybe a veteran backup goalie (think a veteran behind Igor would fit this group a bit better even though Georgie hasn't necessarily played bad).

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Chytil-Pavelski-Gauthier
Rooney-Goodrow-Reaves
Hunt

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
(Veteran acquisition)

Igor
Georgie (or a Deadline acquisition)

If the Stars retain salary on Pavelski? Even better. That would be optimal. That lineup is tough. I also would imagine a player like Pavs (We all like players like Hertl too, but Pavelski's age/salary figure fits this group much better) would likely sign at a discount in the final year or two. Would be his swan song.

I personally don't think the Rangers need another top 6 winger. Unless you're getting a playoff tested veteran who produces like Toffoli and it's a favorable deal, I think they need the 3C way more. That guy who can win faceoffs, help tilt the ice, and get some production out of Chytil, Gauthier and Goodrow/Hunt/Rooney depending on who slots in on the third line.

 

[FUZfan]

I was at the LA game last week and he absolutely leveled a guy that tried to hit him in open ice. Like, just braced for impact and the player bounced right off of him.

I was at that game too and remember oohing at that play. Think it was Doughty from L.A as well which makes it even more impressive.

 

[Avery16]

all star game just ain’t what it used to be. Will Wilson also compete in the All-Star pregame head-shots challenge?

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Chychrun would absolutely get PP2 minutes. Trouba makes an occasional play, but ultimately isn't very well suited on the PP. From what I've seen, KAM-Trouba do not possess some unbreakable on-ice chemistry. I don't see why that pairing is set in stone. If you want to roll with what we've got, knowing it's a weak spot this year, then it's just a difference of philosophy. I prefer not to potentially waste this season without making a more concerted effort to win, while also not completely sand bagging the future.

Re: my comment about Lindgren's higher chance for injury, I'm not talking about it breaking his body down already like he's old Dan Girardi. I'm talking about a higher probability of him missing games for it even in the short term because he's such a warrior type of player. An example that instantly comes to mind is a guy with similar "do whatever it takes" attitude in Ryan Callahan stepping in front of a Chara slapper at the end of the season, breaking his leg and missing the playoffs in 2011. Our LD depth isn't good for this season. Bringing in a mediocre 3LD depth option doesn't move the needle and also doesn't really give us any assurances in such a scenario.

Im with you on if you want to add a steading dman to the 3rd pair but i dont believe there is any reason to give up prime assets for another dman when we need a young cost controlled #2 center.

I dont want to waste the season either but there is a smart way of going about things. We can do that by trading later picks, hajek, reunenen, puji, gauthier, and so on and get what we want without breaking the bank on our big name prospects. I would rather use those big names in the offseason to get our center.

I would be on the train of getting a guy like i have proposed gavrikov, dehaan, leddy, all can be a very steadying influence on the 3rd pair with whoever that may be.

I also wouldnt mind taking on bad salaries for this year like others have mentioned and get a pick attached like Victor Rask. Who could be a good 3rd line guy for us and gain a 2nd or 3rd round pick that can later then be added to a trade to get our center.

Ive been a fan since the late 80's and have been through it all. I saw what we did in 94 and it killed our future. There has to be balance.

Also, anyone can get hurt on any play. Going all in on a player like chychrun bc of fear of what an injury would do isnt the right reason to make the move. Then we have salary cap issues where we cant resign our own guys and left with chyt, barron, or goodrow playing #2 center bc we dont have the cap and we dont have the prime prospects to use in a trade for that #2 center.

I just dont think its a smart plan for now or the future. But thats me and my armchair gm philosphy

 

[DanielBrassard]

Two first round picks and a 3rd for JT Miller?

Seems fair for 2 playoff runs especially if there's retention.

 

[Hockey Gamer]

Does Yegor Rykov still belong to the Rangers?

 

[bbny]

Im with you on if you want to add a steading dman to the 3rd pair but i dont believe there is any reason to give up prime assets for another dman when we need a young cost controlled #2 center.

I dont want to waste the season either but there is a smart way of going about things. We can do that by trading later picks, hajek, reunenen, puji, gauthier, and so on and get what we want without breaking the bank on our big name prospects. I would rather use those big names in the offseason to get our center.

I would be on the train of getting a guy like i have proposed gavrikov, dehaan, leddy, all can be a very steadying influence on the 3rd pair with whoever that may be.

I also wouldnt mind taking on bad salaries for this year like others have mentioned and get a pick attached like Victor Rask. Who could be a good 3rd line guy for us and gain a 2nd or 3rd round pick that can later then be added to a trade to get our center.

Ive been a fan since the late 80's and have been through it all. I saw what we did in 94 and it killed our future. There has to be balance.

Also, anyone can get hurt on any play. Going all in on a player like chychrun bc of fear of what an injury would do isnt the right reason to make the move. Then we have salary cap issues where we cant resign our own guys and left with chyt, barron, or goodrow playing #2 center bc we dont have the cap and we dont have the prime prospects to use in a trade for that #2 center.

I just dont think its a smart plan for now or the future. But thats me and my armchair gm philosphy

Just to clarify, Chychrun isn’t for fear of injury to Lindgren. Chychrun would be because Lindgren isn’t a top pairing guy and KAM is not currently a dependable 2nd pairing IMO. We apparently disagree on that. It doesn’t have to be a longer term guy like Chychrun to shore up the top 4. It could be a rental like Giordano as well. Someone who can step into that top pairing guy if needed, and better for 2nd pair rest of year.

 

[Thirty One]

Does Yegor Rykov still belong to the Rangers?

No, he wasn't qualified.

 

[Thirty One]

After saying that Zib has been the best Ranger (probably meant lately), he then goes on to say this, which I love:
"4. The Rangers had all sorts of trouble against Calgary early in the year when the Flames were firing, were run out of the rink twice by Colorado, couldn’t handle Carolina for a large part of their only meeting and have trouble keeping up with Vegas.
But the Blueshirts are 2-1 against Florida, 2-1 against Toronto, 2-0 against Tampa Bay and 1-0 against Boston, so, A) the narrative about the Rangers not being able to compete against the upper echelon does not quite hold; and, B) I hereby declare the Blueshirts champions of the Atlantic Division."

 

[will1066]

all star game just ain’t what it used to be. Will Wilson also compete in the All-Star pregame head-shots challenge?

Gonna be awkward af for Kreider and him in the same room. Not nearly as awkward though if Panarin were there.

 

[NYR Viper]

It really can’t be overstated how much a functional 3rd line who fills a true role would improve this club. They’re close. Barron filling one of the three spots would be pretty large and honestly not unexpected.

This isn’t the year to break the bank. Make smart, shrewd moves to fill depth and find guys who fit the pattern you’ve been looking for. In saying that, if someone becomes available who they think can fill a long term role, say like Bennett last year, then make the move. They have the pieces.

I’m seriously not interested in any UFA to be unless the plan is to keep them after this year or if the price is relatively inconsequential, think depth prospects or players and middle-round picks.

I’m somewhat preparing to be disappointed however.

 

[pld459666]

I don't know if Nils has been overtaken by anyone as our top prospect. He had 25 games playing with Nemeth adjusting to the smaller rink. And the consensus seems to be Vancouver wants a RD. But I'd trade Othmann and a first+ for 2 playoff runs of Miller @ $2.6M.

I'm not moving Othmann for JT.

I'd move Nils LOOONG before Othmann.

Nils has Fox, Trouba and Schnieder ahead of him on the RD pecking order.

Add Lindgren, Miller and in my opinion Jones on the LD

Nils is excess, and as such should be used as bait

 

[pld459666]

Two first round picks and a 3rd for JT Miller?

2-3 points shy a of a Point a game player three years running?

with term left?

He's easily worth that.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Just to clarify, Chychrun isn’t for fear of injury to Lindgren. Chychrun would be because Lindgren isn’t a top pairing guy and KAM is not currently a dependable 2nd pairing IMO. We apparently disagree on that. It doesn’t have to be a longer term guy like Chychrun to shore up the top 4. It could be a rental like Giordano as well. Someone who can step into that top pairing guy if needed, and better for 2nd pair rest of year.

You wanna use our first rounder for Giordano? It is alot to give up but def a move id be more ok with this move than moving all those assets for Chychrun.

And yes we disagree. Lindgren is a great partner for fox and is a very steadying presence anywhere on D. Do we need to upgrade, no. But i do understand why you want to upgrade that position. The kid is still 23. He has been playing first pairing minutes for years. I think you can safely say he is a 2/3. If he can add more offense he would easily be a #2.

 

[McRanger92]

If you want to put the Rangers over the top, Joe Pavelski is the guy to get. Would strictly be futures, but if the Rangers start with Kravtsov + 1st + something else (maybe a player like Reunanen who is blocked at the NHL level here). From there, I'm thinking with this group maybe you acquire a depth defender to upgrade on Nemeth, or maybe a veteran backup goalie (think a veteran behind Igor would fit this group a bit better even though Georgie hasn't necessarily played bad).

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Chytil-Pavelski-Gauthier
Rooney-Goodrow-Reaves
Hunt

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider
(Veteran acquisition)

Igor
Georgie (or a Deadline acquisition)

If the Stars retain salary on Pavelski? Even better. That would be optimal. That lineup is tough. I also would imagine a player like Pavs (We all like players like Hertl too, but Pavelski's age/salary figure fits this group much better) would likely sign at a discount in the final year or two. Would be his swan song.

I personally don't think the Rangers need another top 6 winger. Unless you're getting a playoff tested veteran who produces like Toffoli and it's a favorable deal, I think they need the 3C way more. That guy who can win faceoffs, help tilt the ice, and get some production out of Chytil, Gauthier and Goodrow/Hunt/Rooney depending on who slots in on the third line.

Pavelski is the golden goose for the Rangers at the deadline imo. If Dallas blows it up, you need to seriously considering meeting the Stars price. Production, defense, faceoffs, experience, versatility. Give the young roster another veteran calming influence who can still clearly make a major impact, even at 38

 

[RGY]

Pavelski is the golden goose for the Rangers at the deadline imo. If Dallas blows it up, you need to seriously considering meeting the Stars price. Production, defense, faceoffs, experience, versatility. Give the young roster another veteran calming influence who can still clearly make a major impact, even at 38

I am so on the fence on Pavelski because of cost and timing. Part of this would be is interesting in re-signing

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Pavelski is the golden goose for the Rangers at the deadline imo. If Dallas blows it up, you need to seriously considering meeting the Stars price. Production, defense, faceoffs, experience, versatility. Give the young roster another veteran calming influence who can still clearly make a major impact, even at 38

Give me ROOPE HINTZ if they are gonna blow it up.

If youre giving up all those assets for Pavelski why not see what they want for him?