Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIX

[eco's bones]

I also think getting the Dallas 1st this year would significantly increase the chances that we get their 1st next year as it will put much more pressure on them to re-sign Zuccarello since he helped get them that far. Dallas winning four more games would be huge.

With this scenario--essentially Dallas gives up two 1st round picks in successive years for a 32 year old second line wing for how much $'s and at how long a term? Great for us if all that happens but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If anyone were to have said to me at the deadline that Zuccarello was going to bring back two 1st round picks--I would have said to them GTFO!

 

[Off Sides]

I think that with the team as is, even if Kreider is not traded, this is still more than likely a lottery team next year with a likely top-5 pick.

Maybe, yet if they can improve their 2019 draft using him, and can make it even more likely they are in the top 10 next draft in the same move.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

With this scenario--essentially Dallas gives up two 1st round picks in successive years for a 32 year old second line wing for how much $'s and at how long a term? Great for us if all that happens but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If anyone were to have said to me at the deadline that Zuccarello was going to bring back two 1st round picks--I would have said to them GTFO!

Counter-argument: if they win the next round, one pick is already a sunk cost (and late in the round as well); they've found a guy who works well with their current squad; and is a fan-favorite. Do you let the cost of one more 1st round pick prevent you from re-signing that guy and (hopefully) going on another deep run next year? (And if so, how do you justify that to the average fan?)

 

[True Blue]

With this scenario--essentially Dallas gives up two 1st round picks in successive years for a 32 year old second line wing for how much $'s and at how long a term? Great for us if all that happens but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If anyone were to have said to me at the deadline that Zuccarello was going to bring back two 1st round picks--I would have said to them GTFO!

Yes, but the loss on revenue of his jersey......

Seriously, we need to temper hopes. We were all certain that we will have the 31st pick from Tampa.

 

[Thirty One]

Yes, but the loss on revenue of his jersey......

Seriously, we need to temper hopes. We were all certain that we will have the 31st pick from Tampa.

No we weren't.

 

[aufheben]

Counter-argument: if they win the next round, one pick is already a sunk cost (and late in the round as well); they've found a guy who works well with their current squad; and is a fan-favorite. Do you let the cost of one more 1st round pick prevent you from re-signing that guy and (hopefully) going on another deep run next year? (And if so, how do you justify that to the average fan?)

Should also consider that most of Dallas’ 1st round picks end up wasted anyway. That said I think it’s one or the other. Just out of curiosity, is it possible under the CBA for the Rangers to re-sign Zucc and then trade him to Dallas? Colorado/Washington did a sketchy sort of deal last summer.

 

[Thirty One]

I did see a Zuccarello jersey last night (well, two in total, he was wearing one as well)!

 

[DutchShamrock]

Counter-argument: if they win the next round, one pick is already a sunk cost (and late in the round as well); they've found a guy who works well with their current squad; and is a fan-favorite. Do you let the cost of one more 1st round pick prevent you from re-signing that guy and (hopefully) going on another deep run next year? (And if so, how do you justify that to the average fan?)

And the next pick isn't a 1st or bust. It's a 3rd if he doesn't re-sign. Another sunk cost. Do you give up a run for your pick being 60 spots better?

 

[Off Sides]

I'd think if Dallas were so hung up on that 2020 1st they would not have agreed to the condition in the first place.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I am reading an article in The Athletic regarding Nashville.

David Poile gave Kyle Turris a 6 year contract worth $36M. Just one season into the contract, that is a bad contract. Turris turns 30 this August.



Poile gave Ryan Ellis a 7 year contract worth $50M last summer. Turris turned 28 earlier this year.



The Predators had their chance and blew it. Now it's time...

Ellis wasn't very good in the Dallas series.

Nashville has him under contract for the next 7 years.

You can sit there and mock me but go look at the numerous players under awful contracts in the their late 20's/early 30's. Those teams are regretting those contracts.

James Neal in Calgary.

The Rangers have their share of mistakes too.

Yeah.......but..... do you even corsi bro? Ellis is like +73748848463637374747 and his beard gives him another few hundred. Turris is second in the league in points per 60 mins played at home during even months of the year during odd years bro.

 

[duhmetreE]

With this scenario--essentially Dallas gives up two 1st round picks in successive years for a 32 year old second line wing for how much $'s and at how long a term? Great for us if all that happens but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If anyone were to have said to me at the deadline that Zuccarello was going to bring back two 1st round picks--I would have said to them GTFO!

When you think in terms of 'bigger picture', it doesn't make much sense.

but if Nill feels pressure and may start fearing for his job, which makes more sense? A 2020 1st round pick or Zucc? Which will help him more?

 

[Ghost of jas]

When you think in terms of 'bigger picture', it doesn't make much sense.

but if Nill feels pressure and may start fearing for his job, which makes more sense? A 2020 1st round pick or Zucc? Which will help him more?

Considering the money invested in Seguin, Benn, Radulov and Bishop, which current asset holds more value to a team like Dallas...a late 1st round pick, or another few years in a player that has already shown to fit in with his team?

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah.......but..... do you even corsi bro? Ellis is like +73748848463637374747 and his beard gives him another few hundred. Turris is second in the league in points per 60 mins played at home during even months of the year during odd years bro.

 

[duhmetreE]

Considering the money invested in Seguin, Benn, Radulov and Bishop, which current asset holds more value to a team like Dallas...a late 1st round pick, or another few years in a player that has already shown to fit in with his team?

IF you had job security.. It's debatable.

If you were pressured to show some forms of success... Zucc.

Their offense was an issue this year. Zucc definitely helps their top6. Benn went semi-potato after getting paid. I'd be worried about him

 

[Ghost of jas]

I feel as though I’m missing information that led to this response.

 

[aufheben]

I'd think if Dallas were so hung up on that 2020 1st they would not have agreed to the condition in the first place.

I agree but giving up both 1sts kind of [presumably] changes things.

 

[Leetch3]

Everyone has guys get injured, we just dont care about other teams' prospects. Philly gave up a ton (Forsberg was only a small part of the package) for Lindros and he turned out to have genetic concussion problems. Isles drafted his brother Brett at 9 overall and he retired at the age of 19.

It happens. And when we project our prospects, we should project that some will be injured.

The reason that it seems to hit the Rangers worse is that we never rebuild properly because fans here are impatient. 14 months since the start of the rebuilding, the only discussion in the roster building thread is which UFA do we sign or trade for.

Not only do you need to plug in all holes on paper, you need redundancy because of busts and injuries. You need to have Sanguinetti, Del Zotto and McDonaugh (who all were first round picks with first pair potential) just to get 1 of them to be good. But we here project every prospect to hit his ceiling and never get injured, and when it doesn't happen, we look in amazement with tears in our eyes, "but how could this bad luck happen to us?"

i agree with the impatience but to be fair that is literally what this thread is for...talking about waiting for key prospects is discussed in the threads dedicated to those prospects

 

[Ghost of jas]

IF you had job security.. It's debatable.

If you were pressured to show some forms of success... Zucc.

Here’s the thing, the Stars aren’t rebuilding. They’re contending. They may or may not be misguided in that belief, but, Zuccarello helps them a lot more towards that goal than next year’s 1st currently does.

 

[Off Sides]

Considering the money invested in Seguin, Benn, Radulov and Bishop, which current asset holds more value to a team like Dallas...a late 1st round pick, or another few years in a player that has already shown to fit in with his team?

Not only that, they have some good up and coming players. I don't think they end up in the lottery next year.

I have not seen much of Dallas this past season but the playoffs,

Heiskanen is in my opinion going to be maybe even elite.

Lindell, Hintz, Dickinson seem to be coming around too.

 

[Thirty One]

I feel as though I’m missing information that led to this response.

You are not.

 

[duhmetreE]

Here’s the thing, the Stars aren’t rebuilding. They’re contending. They may or may not be misguided in that belief, but, Zuccarello helps them a lot more towards that goal than next year’s 1st currently does.

I was agreeing with that.

but if we're talking 'fair value', 2 1sts is excessive

 

[Off Sides]

I agree but giving up both 1sts kind of [presumably] changes things.

Well I guess it's also possible the Rangers make another deal with them.

Say they want to extend Zucc and feel the 1st is too much

Maybe the Rangers deal them Fast for a 3rd or something so it becomes a 2020 1st and 2021 3rd for Zucc and Fast?

 

[Kovalev27]

Telling you right now regardless of what happens rest of the spring Dallas is going to do everything possible to keep Zucc. They’ll gladly give up the picks. They’ll be all in at this point the next couple seasons.

 

[Anthony5967]

This team is lurking in the weeds, with all of these picks, to offer-sheet Point. I see it coming.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Yeah.......but..... do you even corsi bro? Ellis is like +73748848463637374747 and his beard gives him another few hundred. Turris is second in the league in points per 60 mins played at home during even months of the year during odd years bro.

How ironic, this past season was Ryan Ellis' worst season in his career in CF%rel. u look like an idiot when you post something like this.