Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV

[cheech70]

Maloney asked about free agency. Gorton said the Rangers are looking for veteran character players to help the young players play the right way.


Sure doesn't sound like Breadman

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maloney asked about free agency. Gorton said the Rangers are looking for veteran character players to help the young players play the right way.


Sure doesn't sound like Breadman

Sounds a lot like what he said last year.

I mean EK does still fall into that category, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Williams, Boyle, Hagelin, etc than that big.

 

[MetalJaws]

Why the hell would we want Boyle on this team? What's with the let's bring all the old Rangers back mentality?

The Rangers have a tremendous amount of bottom 6 players. All young and eager to compete. Leave the past in the past, move forward. No one needs a 35 year old center when you LA, Howden, Names, Strome and Boo all with legs and eager to play.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think Eberle could be a quality buy low candidate.

He’s having a tough season offensively on an Isles team that isn’t very explosive. I think he could definitely bounce back to being a 50-60 point guy. Righty shot. I think it’s something Gorton should absolutely look into if he makes it to UFA.

 

[MetalJaws]

lol @ people who leave Buchnevich out of these projected lineups

Maybe some people think Buch isn't all that great and would be better to move on from him now to maximize return. lol

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Sounds a lot like what he said last year.

I mean EK does still fall into that category, but I'm thinking more along the lines of Williams, Boyle, Hagelin, etc than that big.

Here’s the pitch “we’ll give you more money than the contenders, and we’ll trade you to one when they and we know they’re good so you don’t have to guess now”

 

[MetalJaws]

And lol @ people who keep throwing Panarin in them.

Yea, cause going after a 26 year old sure thing Elite level talent that this team desperately needs sounds terrible.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Unless they are a cancer in the locker room or they get blown away on a offer, I'd keep Strome, Vesey, Fast and Names for the bottom 6 and assets to move next deadline.

Howden will likely be in a 3rd line role as well as Lemieux. Boo on the 4th line or 13th skater.

Lemieux - Howden - Names
Vesey - Strome - Fast
Boo

They may need top 6 vets to help the kids. You have Buch, Zbad, Chytil, Andersson and Kravstov. Kreider as well if not moved.

I could see Buch being part of a deal on draft day.

 

[Avery16]

I’m not even bringing Jagr up for nostalgia’s sake, I think he’d suck which would help the team be bad, but by all accounts he’s a great leader/mentor for younger players. 1 year deal for who cares how much could help kill 2 rebuilding birds with one contract

There’s tanking (which I don’t believe we’re doing) and then there’s putting players on the ice that can’t play in this league anymore. Jagr isn’t coming back to the NHL.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Its a tough situation.

Assuming we are going to be terrible for a while makes it a self fulfilling prophecy. Why try to improve a team through free agency that is going to be terrible? The team doesn't improve because of lack of effort to do so, and is indeed terrible.

We may be terrible for a while anyway though so signing someone like Panarin may not really move the needle.

Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

 

[TheTakedown]

The Penguins D was an abomination at times during their cup runs but they at least had Letang. Toronto doesn't have a Letang. Reilly aint it.

Reilly is the real deal .This is nonsense

 

[Kovalev27]

Don’t we have guys like that already in Fast Strome Zibanejad Staal Shatty Smith Lundqvist?

Torts thinks Panarin is a character guy. A pros pro. Just for what it’s worth.

 

[SA16]

Reilly is the real deal .This is nonsense

M. Rielly on Toronto is the real deal. M. Reilly on Montreal is not.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Why the hell would we want Boyle on this team? What's with the let's bring all the old Rangers back mentality?

The Rangers have a tremendous amount of bottom 6 players. All young and eager to compete. Leave the past in the past, move forward. No one needs a 35 year old center when you LA, Howden, Names, Strome and Boo all with legs and eager to play.

Yes indeed. The Rangers bottom 6 is so strong, in fact, that they are moving Smith back and forth between D and 4th line winger.

Im not saying it has to be Boyle, but the team would be wise to bring on some cheap veterans for a year or two. We are at a point where the organization really has to consider that their 3 young centers (Chytil, Howden, and Andersson) are actually regressing. Brooks has a recent article showing that those 3 have produced exactly 1 goal in their last 88 combined games. That's staggering. Somtimes being young and hungry ain't enough

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yea, cause going after a 26 year old sure thing Elite level talent that this team desperately needs sounds terrible.

He’ll be 28 early next season.

Penciling him in is not wise. Why would he want to come here?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Yea, cause going after a 26 year old sure thing Elite level talent that this team desperately needs sounds terrible.

They need elite talent that’ll be elite for a decade, not maybe 3

 

[Beacon]

This is based on their offensive stats, yes? Put Krieder to ride shotgun with Crosby, and what do you think you have? Put ZBad in Tampa, and what do you think those point totals look like?

No, not based on stats. Zib is not a top 5, top 10 center, not even top 16. People think players on worse teams get worse stats, but usually it's the reverse. You get more ice time with more PP ice time. Granted if you ride shot gun for Crosby, it improves your stats, but the most likely outcome of being on a top team is less ice with worse linemates.

 

[MetalJaws]

They need elite talent that’ll be elite for a decade, not maybe 3

I agree and really hope Chytil, ADA, Miller and our 19 pick become elite. Having said that, we know that Panarin has more skill than any Ranger we have or have had since Gaborik. Rangers have zero cap issues in a couple years. Signing 1 big contract will not kill us.

 

[MetalJaws]

He’ll be 28 early next season.

Penciling him in is not wise. Why would he want to come here?

Because the Rangers already have a slew of promising up and coming players. Including Shesty, Kravtsov and Buch in the system and ready to make an impact. Rangers also have a ton of cap and if the Rangers draft Hughes, Kakko or Podkolzin. Rangers expedite the rebuild substantially.

 

[True Blue]

Why the hell would we want Boyle on this team? What's with the let's bring all the old Rangers back mentality?

The reasoning behind bringing back Boyle is that he is exactly the type of veteran player that Gorton has mentioned he would be looking for. Solid 4th line center that is good in the locker room and can help mentor the kids. Has nothing to do with bringing back old Rangers.

The Rangers have a tremendous amount of bottom 6 players. All young and eager to compete. Leave the past in the past, move forward. No one needs a 35 year old center when you LA, Howden, Names, Strome and Boo all with legs and eager to play.

Of all the players you mention, I would want none of them to play 4th line minutes aside from Nieves. And he is just not that good and is looking like a dime a dozen player.

Yea, cause going after a 26 year old sure thing Elite level talent that this team desperately needs sounds terrible.

This has been covered and regurgitated many times by now. Yes, he is an elite talent. But his presence on the team next year will do what.......Nothing. This team will still be poor. So you are paying Panarin max dollars and max years to wait until hopefully the Rangers will start to compete in two years. And a few more years after that, they should hopefully be true contenders. And how old will Panarin be then? With a long term contract to the tune of around $11m a year, rife with NMC/NTC to boot?

Because the Rangers already have a slew of promising up and coming players. Including Shesty, Kravtsov and Buch in the system and ready to make an impact. Rangers also have a ton of cap and if the Rangers draft Hughes, Kakko or Podkolzin. Rangers expedite the rebuild substantially.

You have no idea of what Shesty will do. You also have no idea of what Kravstov will do. You cannot state that they are "ready to make an impact". You can say "I hope that they are so good that they will make an immediate impact". Though you do understand that the chances of that are very low?

The chances of also getting Hughes or Kakko are very low. And Podklozin is staying in Mother Russia for a few years and then coming over. At which point you will still not have any idea of what he can do in the NHL.

So again, remind me how singing Panarin to a max year, max dollars contract will expedite the rebuild? Are you planning on putting players around him to support him? If so, who? How will his contract look when the Rangers are finally ready to be true contenders?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Because the Rangers already have a slew of promising up and coming players. Including Shesty, Kravtsov and Buch in the system and ready to make an impact. Rangers also have a ton of cap and if the Rangers draft Hughes, Kakko or Podkolzin. Rangers expedite the rebuild substantially.

This is a myth right now.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I agree and really hope Chytil, ADA, Miller and our 19 pick become elite. Having said that, we know that Panarin has more skill than any Ranger we have or have had since Gaborik. Rangers have zero cap issues in a couple years. Signing 1 big contract will not kill us.

I mean, if they do all become elite, then paying them with Panarin’s 10-11 on the books will be a problem

 

[Mikos87]

Why the hell would we want Boyle on this team? What's with the let's bring all the old Rangers back mentality?

The Rangers have a tremendous amount of bottom 6 players. All young and eager to compete. Leave the past in the past, move forward. No one needs a 35 year old center when you LA, Howden, Names, Strome and Boo all with legs and eager to play.

No they don't. When Brendan Smith, Boo Nieves, and Connor Brickley are regulars on your 4th line. They don't.

Also. Howden needed a stint in a minors. In recent months, injuries and all, he's been all over the map. Lots of missed backchecks for a guy whose supposed to be good defensively. The Boston game was brutal for him.

 

[True Blue]

No, not based on stats. Zib is not a top 5, top 10 center, not even top 16. People think players on worse teams get worse stats, but usually it's the reverse. You get more ice time with more PP ice time. Granted if you ride shot gun for Crosby, it improves your stats, but the most likely outcome of being on a top team is less ice with worse linemates.

Ok. I'll play. What are the 16 centers that you would definitely take above him today?

 

[MetalJaws]

I've said it the entire season. IF, that's IF the Rangers pick a top 3 guy this year, Panarin is my target. If not, then suck again next year and get another swing at a top 3 next April.