Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV

[duhmetreE]

No goal posts are being moved.

I'm asking a question.

A question irrelevant to the matter.

We do not control what Panarin decides... but we need to be on the list he chooses from.

 

[SA16]

Why bring Kreider into this?

*I have missed some of this conversation*

It is just a general comment, obviously. Has nothing to do with whatever was being discussed previously.

 

[Gardner McKay]

A myth, no, but the idea of signing Panarin and expecting some of these guys to be studs right away is definitely misguided. Guys like Miller, Chytil, and Kravstov likely won’t be true impact players for at least 2 to 3 years.

If anyone could be an impact player sooner, it would be Chytil. Other than that, completely agree.

If the Rangers have a taker for Namestnikov, Vesey or Fast this off-season I'd trade them.

I dunno. I really would explore re-signing Vesey. I don't think he will cost a ton and he has scored 16 goals in all 3 seasons.

The other two? I'd absolutely trade.

 

[Kovalev27]

If the Rangers have a taker for Namestnikov, Vesey or Fast this off-season I'd trade them.

I’d like to trade all 3 honestly and I want very little in return

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

*I have missed some of this conversation*

It is just a general comment, obviously. Has nothing to do with whatever was being discussed previously.

For the record, my overall stance is trade Kreider and don’t sign Panarin

 

[bobbop]

Maloney asked about free agency. Gorton said the Rangers are looking for veteran character players to help the young players play the right way.


Sure doesn't sound like Breadman

Well actually it does. Next year the Rangers will have up to three first year Russian players. Add in Buchnevich who could certainly benefit from having a mentor countryman and you have a damn good argument about why it does make sense.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If anyone could be an impact player sooner, it would be Chytil. Other than that, completely agree.



I dunno. I really would explore re-signing Vesey. I don't think he will cost a ton and he has scored 16 goals in all 3 seasons.

The other two? I'd absolutely trade.

Love Chytil, but I think he might take some time to reach his max potential, if he wver reaches it all. I think his upside is ENORMOUS but he isn’t close to being ready to take the next step physically.

 

[bobbop]

Does anyone else get the idea that the Rangers are quietly planting ideas in Henrik's head that might cause him to rethink gutting it out through the rebuild?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I agree and think Chytil and LA were rushed. Even still, where we are now. We have plenty of guys who can be NHL 4th liners. We don't have problems with vets. Hank, Staal, Zib, Kreider, Shatty and Fast is plenty of presence.

Chytil, Howden and LA are all expected to make pretty big jumps. Mature, Learn and work hard. They will be NHL'r next year without a doubt and will start on the big club.

I don't necessarily agree, but maybe that's because Im a believer that the 4th line should serve a particular purpose instead of just being a dumping ground for you 10th-12th most skilled forwards. Besides the recently acquired Lemieux, I don't see any young players that provide the type of energy and grit required of the 4th line.

Importing cheap vets capable of handling that type of role might be what's best for this team.

Moving away from the top 9 vs. 4th line "roles" argument, I vehemently disagree that the Rangers are set up from a depth perspective with their younger players and should just let'em play. Throwing caution to the wind like that could be counter-productive. It has been for the youngest players with the NHL club this season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well actually it does. Next year the Rangers will have up to three first year Russian players. Add in Buchnevich who could certainly benefit from having a mentor countryman and you have a damn good argument about why it does make sense.

It doesn't at all.

It's basically the same approach/wording he used to describe their approach to last off season. Maybe he isn't tipping his hand and is being intentionally misleading, but I don't see how anyone can discern that the quote from JG could lead one to assume that they're going after Panarin.

 

[SA16]

The reason to think they are interested in going after Panarin is because Friedman reported it, McKenzie reported it, Portzline reported it, and Dolan mentioned having a lot of money to spend. To act like it's entirely out of the question is just being disingenuous regardless of whether or not you want him on the team.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The reason to think they are interested in going after Panarin is because Friedman reported it, McKenzie reported it, Portzline reported it, and Dolan mentioned having a lot of money to spend. To act like it's entirely out of the question is just being disingenuous.

Most of those guys said they THINK thats what the Rangers are doing.

Portzline's hearsay was from almost a year ago.

Dolan did say that recently.

JG, the guy who actually runs our team, has indicated that this isn't the type of move hes looking to make.

 

[SA16]

Most of those guys said they THINK thats what the Rangers are doing.

Portzline's hearsay was from almost a year ago.

Dolan did say that recently.

JG, the guy who actually runs our team, has indicated that this isn't the type of move hes looking to make.

Those guys are all highly connected around the league. They don't just make things up out of nowhere. Gorton has not really said much, wouldn't give away his plan anyway, and isn't even allowed to mention Panarin or anyone by name as it would be tampering.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Those guys are all highly connected around the league. They don't just make things up out of nowhere. Gorton has not really said much, wouldn't give away his plan anyway, and isn't even allowed to mention Panarin or anyone by name as it would be tampering.

"We intend to be aggressive this summer."

No tampering, simple and effective. We've seen Dorion, Sakic and Tallon more or less say these words in the last few days.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Love Chytil, but I think he might take some time to reach his max potential, if he wver reaches it all. I think his upside is ENORMOUS but he isn’t close to being ready to take the next step physically.

No I agree. The only reason I suggested he *could* do it sooner is he has now has a full season of NHL play under his belt. How he preps for the 2019-2020 season will go a long way towards how successful he is next year.

 

[True Blue]

Love Chytil, but I think he might take some time to reach his max potential, if he wver reaches it all. I think his upside is ENORMOUS but he isn’t close to being ready to take the next step physically.

Of course it is going to take time He's 19. Very few players succeed at such an early age. It may well take another 3-4 seasons. Look how long it took ZBad.

 

[Gardner McKay]

It doesn't at all.

It's basically the same approach/wording he used to describe their approach to last off season. Maybe he isn't tipping his hand and is being intentionally misleading, but I don't see how anyone can discern that the quote from JG could lead one to assume that they're going after Panarin.

I dunno. I agree with you a lot but I think I agree with bobbop here. Do you remember what Yakupov said about the struggles in Edmonton? He was lonely, didn't know anyone, etc. Now, NYC is a far cry from Edmonton but having a superstar fellow countryman on your team goes a long way.

Additionally, having a superstar on your team in general goes a long way. I remember Dubinsky giving credit to Jagr for helping develop his game. Dubinsky, like Jagr, became incredibly hard to know off the puck and mimic'd Jagr perfectly by using his ass and back to protect the puck in the corner. Now, I know Panarin is NOT Jagr but he is a damn good elite forward and to have Kravtsov and Buch playing with him on a day to day basis, it would be the best thing for them.

 

[RangerBoy]

Less than two years ago, Gorton made this statement when the Rangers signed Shattenkirk to the 4 year contract.

Long-time player agent Steve Bartlett said teams are handcuffed by long-term deals and a flat cap, while Rangers GM Jeff Gorton noted there was a limit on how high he would go to sign Shattenkirk.

“We try to stay away from those five-, six-, seven-, eight-year deals right now and figure out where the cap’s going,” Gorton said.

Shattenkirk goes to Rangers as free agency starts

Gorton is giving a max 7 year contract worth upwards of $77M for a free agent? I want to see it.

We don’t know where the cap is going. The NHL and the PA are having CBA negotiations right now. They have been meeting for a while trying to avoid another lockout in two years.

Escrow is a major issue for the players. They could agree to changes in the escrow system for a flat cap. Don’t use the inflator. The cap is the cap. The players won’t lose a % of their salaries because of escrow.

No escrow for flat cap.

Both sides have an opt out in September 2020. They want to get something done this summer.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Sure. We can only hope at this point.

The 3 young guys that got longer looks this season - Chytil, Howden, and Andersson, have been horrific.

Totally agree. Look, I’m fully committed to the rebuild. I’m fully committed to being patient, but as of right now I’m not too optimistic with those 3. Howden hit the rookie wall and still hasn’t gotten up. He doesn’t have an elite skill set with a high ceiling so I assume he’ll end up being a 2/3 C, Lias hasn’t shown anything at all. Chytil has been the biggest disappointment of the 3 imo. He has the highest ceiling and best skill set. Literally his season highlights can be broken down over a one week period where he scored a few coast to coast goals. Other than that, he’s been a weak perimeter player. He needs to bulk up, grow into his body, and practice his puck handling.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Does anyone else get the idea that the Rangers are quietly planting ideas in Henrik's head that might cause him to rethink gutting it out through the rebuild?

Maybe, but I think them playing G a lot is to showcase him for an off season trade. With Shesty coming over they’re not gonna roll with 3 goalies obviously and they’re building up G’s value right now.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Does anyone else get the idea that the Rangers are quietly planting ideas in Henrik's head that might cause him to rethink gutting it out through the rebuild?

Even if he did, not sure what team would want to add a 37-year old goaltender at 4.25M assuming they ate 50% of his cap hit.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Most of those guys said they THINK thats what the Rangers are doing.

Portzline's hearsay was from almost a year ago.

Dolan did say that recently.

JG, the guy who actually runs our team, has indicated that this isn't the type of move hes looking to make.

The owner JG's boss, did say it. So, if he tells JG to be in on Panarin, to give the Rangers a legit young superstar to build around, sell tickets, and generate excitement for an otherwise grim looking upcoming season, you think Gorton is going to tell Dolan no?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The owner JG's boss, did say it. So, if he tells JG to be in on Panarin, to give the Rangers a legit young superstar to build around, sell tickets, and generate excitement for an otherwise grim looking upcoming season, you think Gorton is going to tell Dolan no?

All Dolan said was they have money and they intend on spending it.

How that money or how much of it will be spent? Who knows. There are other ways to spend money than tying up a ton of cap in a single player.

And if everyone who is a pending UFA makes it there, the focus is on the wrong guy.

EK is the one I’d expect them to go after hard, not Panarin.

 

[duhmetreE]

Is there a world where we dump Shattenkirk and get some assets for Kreider.... then sign Karlsson and Panarin?

 

[bobbop]

Even if he did, not sure what team would want to add a 37-year old goaltender at 4.25M assuming they ate 50% of his cap hit.

Calgary and San Jose are two I can think of. But it's possible the stronger option might be retirement and a return to Sweden.