Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV
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Let's be honest, we'll get Hughes or Kakko this year, Dallas will get to the WCF, Tampa wins the cup. Dallas will end up giving us a lottery pick in 2020 when they sign Zucc and we end up with Byfield and Lafreniere next year with their pick and ours. Get another early teens 1st for Kreider and draft Barron or Drysdale. Your 2022 Stanley cup champion New York Rangers.
Yes, this might as well be statistically impossible, but I love the fact that Gorton's put this team in a position to possibly hit really big in these past and coming drafts. How these prospects all pan out is another thing entirely, but I have to have faith that they know what's best for these kids development, even though I don't agree with the methods so far this year.
Yes, this might as well be statistically impossible, but I love the fact that Gorton's put this team in a position to possibly hit really big in these past and coming drafts. How these prospects all pan out is another thing entirely, but I have to have faith that they know what's best for these kids development, even though I don't agree with the methods so far this year.
Tawnos
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Doubtful. He gets a mid-first if and only if the team trading for him thinks they can re-sign him. I'm sure they will talk turkey if they were going to pull the trigger.
The top 3 prospect? No. In the last 3 years, it's only happened once where a team traded a top end prospect, and that was Brannstrom for Stone who re-signed. There was no first going the other way.
To ask fans to detach the emotional attachment they have to their favorite player is not a reasonable ask. But every precedent in recent years have shown what you can expect for Kreider.
Why create a bit of a PR mess when you don't need to?
Remember, not everyone is as dialed into the team as the people here are. There are a ton of casuals who don't know Staal from Karlsson. Announcing that you intend to be terrible risks alienating a pretty substantial portion of the fan base.
It's the same reason why Gorton and Co. were all optimistic about this team and their chances at making the playoffs before the season started, we all knew that there was next to no chance that this would happen (so did they), but most of our fans don't know any better.
Not to mention I can't imagine it would play well with the players actually on the team. I mean its no secret what he's trying to do here, but its another thing to come out and say it.
Machinehead
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Besides, if you read #TheLetter and didn't get it, I don't know what to tell you.
Gorton's not gonna hold your hand.
Gorton's not gonna hold your hand.
One of the reasons why EKane got paid was because of his 5v5 goal scoring output. He had an elite level output on a crappy team, and only a handful off players were outpacing him.
That said, there weren't too many teams outside of San Jose that were enamored with the player. Both EKane, the Sharks, and a handful of markets know what they wanted, and why it's a good fit. EKane was not a fit in WPG or BUF. WPG was a fishbowl, and EKane was a more outward punk then.
BUF- Not a city or team that was a fit for EKane. He also checked out.
Given that, he still got 7x7. Why? If you watch some Sharks game you'll see. The guy is a pain to play against. Consistently so. It's a different EKane than the player in WPG or BUF. I think the Sharks are pretty happy with the deal so far.
That said, there weren't too many teams outside of San Jose that were enamored with the player. Both EKane, the Sharks, and a handful of markets know what they wanted, and why it's a good fit. EKane was not a fit in WPG or BUF. WPG was a fishbowl, and EKane was a more outward punk then.
BUF- Not a city or team that was a fit for EKane. He also checked out.
Given that, he still got 7x7. Why? If you watch some Sharks game you'll see. The guy is a pain to play against. Consistently so. It's a different EKane than the player in WPG or BUF. I think the Sharks are pretty happy with the deal so far.
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Once again youre coming after me and clearly being selective in what you want to pull apart from a quote or in your interpretation.
“We’re studying all these teams. We’re trying to get as many assets as we can without necessarily going to the bottom. If you look through, you’ll find many teams that had at least a first or a third overall pick, that got lucky and turned it around with a player of that caliber.”
Literally says we are not necessarily looking to go straight to the bottom. They are studying all teams. Evaluating all paths. If they get the 1st-3rd pick then great. But as in the other quote it sounds as though they are open to multiple avenues, including adding talent to all the assets they have accumulated.
And again I guess I have to remind you that I will not be upset if they dont sign Panarin. I, like Gorton, is looking into every avenue to start considering the transition from all of these assets/picks into the next phase.
We get it. You dont want Panarin. Thats your view. Dont bother coming at me because I see a different way. I know crazy. Everyone should all feel the same way. We should all put our eggs i to one basket and pray.
Tawnos
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What is the "other thing" that you're referring to?
I don't think it would create any kind of a PR mess at all. For one thing, even casuals who aren't as dialed in as we are generally understand what rebuilding entails, even if it's because of other sports. For another, saying something out loud that's not a secret isn't going to change the way the players act any more than the letter already did.
And finally, that quote by Gorton isn't dancing around the issue even a little bit.
Beacon
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The argument against high picks is always that theres no guarantee. But the draft is a form of lottery where some picks have higher odds than others. So a 7th rounder might have a 1% shot of becoming a HoFer, while a 1st overall might have something like a 30% shot. But sure, the Isles got a crap goalie at #1OA while the Rangers got Hank in the 7th round in the same draft, but on draft day, you play the odds.
A #9 overall has a 50% shot of being a 4th liner or worse. A #3 overall has something like a 10% chance of that, while a late first rounder has close to 75% chance if being a 4th liner or worse. That's a huge difference even though nothing is guaranteed. You play the odds,you maximize your chances, you do not claim that 90%=50%=25% just because nothing is guaranteed.
Tawnos
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I think you're misinterpreting that. What he's saying, in that context, is that the only reasonable way to approach this, given the luck required to get one of those top-3 picks, is to act as if you aren't going to.
[QUOTE="Tawnos, post: 158577939, member: 21563"]What is the "other thing" that you're referring to?
I don't think it would create any kind of a PR mess at all. For one thing, even casuals who aren't as dialed in as we are generally understand what rebuilding entails, even if it's because of other sports. For another, saying something out loud that's not a secret isn't going to change the way the players act any more than the letter already did.
And finally, that quote by Gorton isn't dancing around the issue even a little bit.[/QUOTE]
If you come out and say it, you're going to force your players to answer questions about it for the foreseeable future. No need for that, even if they know it's probably where they're going to go. Also an easy way to kill their motivation for what ever amount of games left. Yes good for the tank, but I wouldn't want to go that route either.
When was the last time you saw a GM in any sport basically come out and admit that he was gunning for a top draft pick?
Apparently @RGY does need him to come out and say it directly though.
I don't think it would create any kind of a PR mess at all. For one thing, even casuals who aren't as dialed in as we are generally understand what rebuilding entails, even if it's because of other sports. For another, saying something out loud that's not a secret isn't going to change the way the players act any more than the letter already did.
And finally, that quote by Gorton isn't dancing around the issue even a little bit.[/QUOTE]
If you come out and say it, you're going to force your players to answer questions about it for the foreseeable future. No need for that, even if they know it's probably where they're going to go. Also an easy way to kill their motivation for what ever amount of games left. Yes good for the tank, but I wouldn't want to go that route either.
When was the last time you saw a GM in any sport basically come out and admit that he was gunning for a top draft pick?
Apparently @RGY does need him to come out and say it directly though.
Rangers in 7
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so lets say #16 from colorado and kaut....you think that isnt market value? because i think it is regardless how i feel about kreider
Beacon
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Hardly any coach was ever a superstar. The regular player needed to learn the game, practice and work hard to make it. The superstar made it on talent and doesn't even understand what it was like for q grunt to make his way through the minors and the 4th line until he finally made the second line at the age of 26.
Tawnos
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The players wouldn't get any more questions about this than they have since the letter. The motivation level of the players is up to the coach. It's up to him. If you want proof of that, in identical circumstances the Rangers have worked very hard under Quinn where they didn't under AV. I understand that the GM might not want to make the coach's job harder, but saying that wouldn't change a single thing about the Rangers circumstances.
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Adam Fox won't sign with Carolina and will play out his senior year at Harvard. Let's GO!!!
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Avs fans won't like it but that's the kind of package I would target. Colorado's own 1st and Kaut. Florida's 1st and Hawryluk/Heponiemi. Edmonton's 1st and Bear/Yamamoto.
I think realistically we get a mid-1st and a 2nd. Teams rarely part with those kinds of prospects.
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There's going to start being an "NCAA effect" in the draft similar to the Russia effect if this keeps happening.
I think this dramatically raises the stakes that Fox’s rights are traded to the Rangers. I was told a while back that if he wasn’t willing to sign with Carolina they would consider him a lost cause. The only incentive Carolina had available (not particularly a good one either considering expansion) was sign him and burn a year off of his contract.
Gorton has no reason to trade for Fox. He can just wait until after August 15, 2020 to sign the player. Sounds like Fox wants to finish school and then turn pro.
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