Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIV

[Machinehead]

Also, BTW, Brooks wrote a piece about Hayes being the linchpin of the organization and Hayes got traded

 

[Gardner McKay]

Also, BTW, Brooks wrote a piece about Hayes being the linchpin of the organization and Hayes got traded

I forgot about that!

 

[Tawnos]

That is a whole lot of irrelevant speak right there. I was asking what are we getting in return.

To be fair, when most people ask “what for?” they usually mean “why?”

 

[True Blue]

Are the Rangers re-signing him? Brooks wrote the Rangers aren’t allowing Kreider to play for them unsigned in his walk year.

That is not the same thing as not wanting to bring him back.

Are the Rangers giving Kreider the long term contract extension his agent will demand? They have traded everyone else in the same situation. Five to six years at $6.5M to $7M if not more. Maybe 7 years. It will be something in that ballpark.

Why would Kreider be any different?

1. Because maybe they want to bring him back?
2. Because you are the only pounding the table that EVERYONE needs to be traded.

 

[RangerBoy]

THN Future. I know it’s the Hockey News. I still like reading it.

The Rangers were on the cover. They spoke to Gorton.

The Rangers are an Original Six team, armed with a knowledgeable fan base more likely to digest a rebuild than fair-weather, non-traditional markets would. Another old-school fan base that gladly accepted a scorched-earth makeover a few years back: Toronto’s. President Brendan Shanahan gutted every corner of the Maple Leafs organization to build the team in a manner rarely if ever done before in its century-long history: the slow-burn, pick-and-prospect route. Gorton paid attention to templates like that when deciding how to reconstruct the Rangers. “There’s no question we looked at other teams around the league and how they were doing it,” Gorton said.

“I don’t think it’s a big secret here if you look back at how the Stanley Cup winners over the last 20 years have done it. Almost all of them have been lottery teams. It’s a hard thing to win the Cup without going down to the bottom. We’re studying all these teams. We’re trying to get as many assets as we can without necessarily going to the bottom. If you look through, you’ll find many teams that had at least a first or a third overall pick, that got lucky and turned it around with a player of that caliber.”

If you look at the Rangers record, they are near the bottom. They are right there. The Rangers have the fewest ROW in the NHL with 23. Detroit and LA have 25. For a team trying to collect as many assets as they can without going to the bottom, they are the bottom without the extra points.

 

[Ola]

THN Future. I know it’s the Hockey News. I still like reading it.

The Rangers were on the cover. They spoke to Gorton.

If you look at the Rangers record, they are near the bottom. They are right there. The Rangers have the fewest ROW in the NHL with 23. Detroit and LA have 25. For a team trying to collect as many assets as they can without going to the bottom, they are the bottom without the extra points.

OK, we are at the bottom, so we will pick first overall then?

Let me know when we get that first overall pick.

 

[RangerBoy]

That is not the same thing as not wanting to bring him back.

1. Because maybe they want to bring him back?
2. Because you are the only pounding the table that EVERYONE needs to be traded.

Who cares about what I think. The Rangers have traded everyone. Gorton has traded nearly everyone. Am I making that up or something? No. If you follow the way Gorton has operated, Kreider will be traded. The Rangers will discuss numbers with his agent. They will say it’s too expensive and move on. I love these arguments. Everyone accuses me of wanting to trade everyone. We have had them with so many other players here. Then the Rangers trade them away. Goodbye. Thanks for your service. They give them a nice video on Twitter. See ya. That’s how they do it. Nice and clean. Ruthless.

 

[True Blue]

Who cares about what I think. The Rangers have traded everyone. Gorton has traded nearly everyone. Am I making that up or something? No.

They have not traded everyone. And there is absolutely no indication that they will trade everyone.

If you follow the way Gorton has operated, Kreider will be traded.

Or not. Not if he fits into the box that Gorton has in mind.At this point, pure conjecture does not facts make.

 

[Ola]

What for?

Are the Rangers re-signing him? Brooks wrote the Rangers aren’t allowing Kreider to play for them unsigned in his walk year. He will be signed to an extension or traded. You can say it’s Brooks being Brooks. The only other time he has made that statement was with McDonagh. He wrote a column in the summer of 2017 about the Rangers not allowing McDonagh to become a free agent in 2019. They would address his situation and they did at the 2018 trading deadline. The Rangers had already tried to trade him to Edmonton in 2016. Kreider’s name was our there at the trade deadline. The market was awful last month.

Are the Rangers giving Kreider the long term contract extension his agent will demand? They have traded everyone else in the same situation. Five to six years at $6.5M to $7M if not more. Maybe 7 years. It will be something in that ballpark.

Why would Kreider be any different?

I agree for sure.

Maybe it’s recency bias or whatever word is being tossed around out there, but when a game get rough like against Washington and Fast with a bum shoulder starts throwing his weight around it’s hard not to notice how Kreider disappears and is demoted to the 4th line. He had a bad groin, not broken arm.

All I can think of is the Ottawa series. Pittsburgh is dead tired. Ottawa is a one man team and that one man had a broken leg. Where was Kreider? Was he dressed? It could be the best shot at a Cup that we will have in many decades.

Trade Kreider to the highest bidder.

 

[Rangers in 7]

i guarantee kreider will either be traded or signed #insiderrrr

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Who cares about what I think. The Rangers have traded everyone. Gorton has traded nearly everyone. Am I making that up or something? No. If you follow the way Gorton has operated, Kreider will be traded. The Rangers will discuss numbers with his agent. They will say it’s too expensive and move on. I love these arguments. Everyone accuses me of wanting to trade everyone. We have had them with so many other players here. Then the Rangers trade them away. Goodbye. Thanks for your service. They give them a nice video on Twitter. See ya. That’s how they do it. Nice and clean. Ruthless.

People get offended when the reality is brought up about the 50-point phenom. again, no problem with him, he's just one of two good forwards the team has. And he's simply not that good.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I agree for sure.

Maybe it’s recency bias or whatever word is being tossed around out there, but when a game get rough like against Washington and Fast with a bum shoulder starts throwing his weight around it’s hard not to notice how Kreider disappears and is demoted to the 4th line. He had a bad groin, not broken arm.

All I can think of is the Ottawa series. Pittsburgh is dead tired. Ottawa is a one man team and that one man had a broken leg. Where was Kreider? Was he dressed? It could be the best shot at a Cup that we will have in many decades.

Trade Kreider to the highest bidder.

i don't think he'd get enough of a return as the deadline.

 

[Ola]

i don't think he'd get enough of a return as even as of the deadline.

What’s enough? Trade him to the highest bidder.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Not gonna lie, would be pretty surprised if Kreider were here at the start of next season.

Ya’ll thought this was a tank year? Wait until next year.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

What’s enough? Trade him to the highest bidder.

Then people would complain. Too late.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They have not traded everyone. And there is absolutely no indication that they will trade everyone.

Or not. Not if he fits into the box that Gorton has in mind.At this point, pure conjecture does not facts make.

Not for nothing, but he was VERY non-committal about Kreider's future when being interviewed post TDL.

It's really easy to come out and defuse a situation by saying something along the lines of "Chris has been a great Ranger and we hope to get something done in the near future" but he didn't.

THN Future. I know it’s the Hockey News. I still like reading it.

The Rangers were on the cover. They spoke to Gorton.



If you look at the Rangers record, they are near the bottom. They are right there. The Rangers have the fewest ROW in the NHL with 23. Detroit and LA have 25. For a team trying to collect as many assets as they can without going to the bottom, they are the bottom without the extra points.

Once again, RIP @RGY

I've long said that his approach was kind of "organic tanking." Strip it down slowly instead of blowing it up right away so you don't have to basically live at the bottom forever.

Next year should be the bottoming out point with an upward trajectory after that.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Not for nothing, but he was VERY non-committal about Kreider's future when being interviewed post TDL.

It's really easy to come out and defuse a situation by saying something along the lines of "Chris has been a great Ranger and we hope to get something done in the near future" but he didn't.



Once again, RIP @RGY

I've long said that his approach was kind of "organic tanking." Strip it down slowly instead of blowing it up right away so you don't have to basically live at the bottom forever.

Next year should be the bottoming out point with an upward trajectory after that.

That's exactly what came to my mind, I thought he sounded like a trade was already in place.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't envy Gorton in these interviews. You can only dance around the edges of "we really want a top 3 pick" for so long. He's doing quite well in that regard.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I think as of now, he'd get like a pick ~20 and a b-prospect OR a good prospect and a top 50 pick.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I think as of now, he'd get like a pick ~20 and a b-prospect OR a good prospect and a top 50 pick.

i think kreider is worth more then hayes, my guess would be a pick in the teens plus a teams top 3 prospect

 

[Tawnos]

I don't envy Gorton in these interviews. You can only dance around the edges of "we really want a top 3 pick" for so long. He's doing quite well in that regard.

Why would he dance around it?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

i think kreider is worth more then hayes, my guess would be a pick in the teens plus a teams top 3 prospect

Legitimately, who do you figure?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Why would he dance around it?

How professional would it be to be like, "we're trading him to bomb next year."

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Why would he dance around it?

The optics of saying "Yeah we really wanna be bad enough to get a top 3 pick" aren't exactly great.

 

[Rangers in 7]

Legitimately, who do you figure?

team wise or prospect wise?