Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[McRanger92]

Yup. Can't overpass in the playoffs. just leads to turnovers. Wish somebody else could also be a net front guy besides Kreider.

Kakko needs to realize that’s what he is. He has great hands in front of the net. I would also love to add a Joe Pavelski.

 

[Savant]

So Seravelli is overstating our interest?

I mean I think this is what kind of happens.

he knows that the talks happen so he drops the name, which gets him his clicks, he isn’t wrong, but he isn’t blowing up any main targets either. Kind of a win win win.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Unless the deal is for a long term piece, I'd rather see them not do much the deadline. See what you have in the players you already have and reevaluate after the season. For many, this will be their first real opportunity in the playoffs.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Kakko needs to realize that’s what he is. He has great hands in front of the net. I would also love to add a Joe Pavelski.

Could see Laf there as well. He loves tap ins

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think they are coming along from last year. The record indicates that. I am with you that they still need to improve, Gallant deserves more than half a season to get there, especially considering where they are in the standings

Fair enough but I personally think halfway through the season the problems this team had in October are still the problems they are having in January and that is beyond evident at this point. I don't think Gallant needs to wait until they get dumped in the first round to say "hey we should change they way we do things."

 

[tlk]

And those are the types of goals the Rangers need to score to go deep in the playoffs

For that I'd like Schneider/Chytil type of goals more

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I feel like we're in a Catch-22 with people not wanting to make any moves to solidify this season because our 5v5 results are obviously subpar, but in making potential moves to solidify a run this season we could be addressing those very weaknesses on the roster that are causing the subpar 5v5 results.

So potential trades could eliminate the reason that people don't want to make trades. Definitely a catch-22 type situation IMO. The truth is somewhere in the middle for me, some moves should be made this season but without selling the farm and that's why Drury and his crew get paid the big bucks.

 

[McRanger92]

I have no problem with adding... I just want the clusterfuk of dead weight to be dealt with.

Barron not getting a fair shake because of players like McKegg is killing me. We have way too many 4th liners creeping into the top9.

Both will be out of the lineup once Laf is off covid, but it is frustrating. Barron has played well enough to stay over McKegg, Hunt and Gauthier

 

[McRanger92]

I feel like we're in a Catch-22 with people not wanting to make any moves to solidify this season because our 5v5 results are obviously subpar, but in making potential moves to solidify a run this season we could be addressing those very weaknesses on the roster that are causing the subpar 5v5 results.

So potential trades could eliminate the reason that people don't want to make trades. Definitely a catch-22 type situation IMO. The truth is somewhere in the middle for me, some moves should be made this season but without selling the farm and that's why Drury and his crew get paid the big bucks.

This is where I’m at. They’ve had bottom 6ers playing top 6 minutes all year. Even Kakko probably isn’t ready for top line duties, but he’s there outbid necessity. They need to add at least 2 more forwards.

 

[pld459666]

Only Schneider for me. I don’t think Othmann should be untouchable.

For a rental?

Better be a special player.

 

[Savant]

For a rental?

Better be a special player.

I mean has to be for the right deal but I don’t think Othmann has untouchable status at all. Hell I’d put him in the JT Miller deal to be honest if they think Miller is a solution at center.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

This is where I’m at. They’ve had bottom 6ers playing top 6 minutes all year. Even Kakko probably isn’t ready for top line duties, but he’s there outbid necessity. They need to add at least 2 more forwards.

Yes and potential upgrades actually fixing the issues that are making us a "less than" team right now is a very real possibility that some have a hard time acknowledging. Of course it's a balance because you need to target the right players and not give up too much.

But a team overachieving due to an elite PP and goalie during the regular season and having favorable playoff positioning and then making some TDL tweaks and leveling up before the playoffs and becoming legit good at 5v5 while also still having the elite PP and goalie is the type of thing that we could be looking at very realistically here. Even just moderate improvements to 5v5 could make us a serious contender because an elite PP, elite PK and elite goalie can win anybody a playoff series.

 

[pld459666]

But this would now be two coaches that cant get this group to shoot the puck more, and a lot of that stems from the fact the best player and his bff refuse to do it. So what should Gallant do? Do you want him to bench panarin to send a message (to him and the team) about the need to listen and shoot more or would gallant just get criticized for that? I am seriously asking what the solution is. We all know the problem, but if it was as easy as "hey shoot the puck more" than I think it would already be fixed after 3 years...

I want Drury to trade the BFF

 

[pld459666]

I mean has to be for the right deal but I don’t think Othmann has untouchable status at all. Hell I’d put him in the JT Miller deal to be honest if they think Miller is a solution at center.

Agree to disagree. and I am big fan of JT Miller.

 

[tomobson]

Both will be out of the lineup once Laf is off covid, but it is frustrating. Barron has played well enough to stay over McKegg, Hunt and Gauthier

I don't know if I'd put Barron in over Hunt at this point. Hunt is a great fourth liner and can fill in on the third line just fine. I'd definitely put Barron over Goat. Goat and Chytil kind of have the same issue where they don't use their size too effectively yet but Chytil has a way higher skill level that can be useful in a top six role while Goat just has speed. I'd rather have a more complete player fill in on the third line than Goat, but I'm also not opposed to giving him to the TDL to see if he can figure some things out.

 

[Savant]

Agree to disagree. and I am big fan of JT Miller.

Here my thing with Othmann.

The Rangers have a horrific history of developing forwards that can’t skate. Othmann still has a long way to go with his skating; that’s what cost him a spot on the junior squad. Also he is another left wing. Left wings are easy to replace. I’d make the argument that the Rangers should sell high on Othmann.

 

[pld459666]

I talk about this semi-often, the NYR's need to be in the grey space between going all in and doing nothing and I think that Artturi Lehkonen kid would be a nice add from that said grey space.

regardless of how they are where they are in the standings currently, the front office owes it to the players on this tea, both vet and youngster, to help in the playoffs.

Lehkonen and a solid 4-6 LD

But without breaking the bank.

 

[pld459666]

Here my thing with Othmann.

The Rangers have a horrific history of developing forwards that can’t skate. Othmann still has a long way to go with his skating; that’s what cost him a spot on the junior squad. Also he is another left wing. Left wings are easy to replace. I’d make the argument that the Rangers should sell high on Othmann.

fair argument for sure.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Here my thing with Othmann.

The Rangers have a horrific history of developing forwards that can’t skate. Othmann still has a long way to go with his skating; that’s what cost him a spot on the junior squad. Also he is another left wing. Left wings are easy to replace. I’d make the argument that the Rangers should sell high on Othmann.

Othman for JT Miller ain't selling high on him. Othman for a younger, long term solution at center is a different story.

 

[Savant]

Othman for JT Miller ain't selling high on him. Othman for a younger, long term solution at center is a different story.

Miller is basically PPG since he has been in Vancouver. Who is this younger long term center that teams are willing to give up on? Closest thing to that was Eichel. Who else are these teams so anxious to move? It is rare to get good value on a young center trading a winger, especially in juniors, as a centerpiece. Who is this player?

 

[jay from jersey]

Both will be out of the lineup once Laf is off covid, but it is frustrating. Barron has played well enough to stay over McKegg, Hunt and Gauthier

He really has. He’s been as advertised. Good at the dot, responsible defensively, and contributes on the offense a bit.
plus he makes us bigger down the middle. I wished they called him up earlier.
It’s frustrating because had that happened, he would have likely stuck as a permanent player instead of this taxi squad nonsense or going back to the A when a trade is made.
He’s currently a better option at C and chytil seems to like the wing...
I just don’t trust gallant to keep Barron as a 3C and not move up Rooney, which is a mistake.
It’s one of the main reasons I think they’ll be adding a player or 2

 

[Mac n Gs]

Here my thing with Othmann.

The Rangers have a horrific history of developing forwards that can’t skate. Othmann still has a long way to go with his skating; that’s what cost him a spot on the junior squad. Also he is another left wing. Left wings are easy to replace. I’d make the argument that the Rangers should sell high on Othmann.

Wasn’t him being excluded from the WJC roster purely to do with Canada not looking at any of the CHL players on teams playing in American cities?

 

[Savant]

Wasn’t him being excluded from the WJC roster purely to do with Canada not looking at any of the CHL players on teams playing in American cities?

Not according to Pronman (and others that I can’t remember), and it’s not exactly a secret that his skating is an issue any how.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Miller is basically PPG since he has been in Vancouver. Who is this younger long term center that teams are willing to give up on? Closest thing to that was Eichel. Who else are these teams so anxious to move? It is rare to get good value on a young center trading a winger, especially in juniors, as a centerpiece. Who is this player?

I have no idea, players become available all the time and there are players that are available right now that nobody even knows about. It changes all the time. JT Miller isn't a long term solution for this team. The Rangers aren't winning the cup this year, so trading their best prospect right now for him isn't going to help them be succesful for the long haul, which is what they want. Add to that Edge's earlier post about the situation, as well as Seravelli wondering if the Rangers would even give up big prospects for him, and I think it's clear the Rangers aren't interested in parting with Othman or any of their big prospects for him anyway.

 

[bleedblue94]

he does affect Barron. We have a bunch of 4th liners. It should be one of Hunt or McKegg.... not both.. There's no future with McKegg but he's Turk's pet.

I'd rather have the better, younger player play....

barron shouldnt be here as a 4th line player at all.