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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

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KOVALEV022473 said:
Ok…what if we backed Nils out?
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Not really interested in Giordano at all. Let's take him out. And based on all the braying about how f***ing important it is that our kids experience playoff hockey, I'm not sure anyone should want him here taking away these sacred playoff minutes from our young defenders.

I offer Chytil and a second for Gourde. Reluctantly.
 
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mas0764 said:
Someone else in a different position than us is in a better spot to pay more. Someone desperate to win one last Cup that has no future and is looking to rebuild soon like Pittsburgh is probably way more likely to part with a first. I'm not at that spot yet because we have a future that needs protecting.
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I’m kinda with you on this point. I was totally against the trades we made in 94’ and I think we still win the cup, maybe even a shorter series with the Debbie’s and Nucks without those trades.
However, I do think we have enough young assets to part with now for shorter success without hurting the future.
 
KOVALEV022473 said:
I’m kinda with you on this point. I was totally against the trades we made in 94’ and I think we still win the cup, maybe even a shorter series with the Debbie’s and Nucks without those trades.
However, I do think we have enough young assets to part with now for shorter success without hurting the future.
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I have literally zero interest in trying to repeat '94. I lived through that already. Winning the Cup was great. The next decade absolutely sucked, and it is directly traceable to throwing away Tony Amonte, Doug Weight, Darren Turcotte, Zubov, Kovalev, etc.

I know you have to win one in order to win two, but I'm making moves to win two or three, not just one. Trading Krav, Nils, Chytil and a first, or any similar package, and coming away with a 30 year old and a 38 year old is a stupid 1990s Rangers move.

There is too much rush to try to win before Kreider and Zibanejad decline. People need to accept that if we win with them because the kids turn into studs, great, but if not, those two don't get their name etched in a Cup and it's too bad. Panarin can play for forever so I'm not as worried about him. Not saying to tank, but the organization's primary focus still needs to be on '23-'24 -- '26-'27, not '21-'22 -- '22-'23. Adding for that earlier window is ok, but not at the expense of any core components of the later window.
 
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mas0764 said:
I have literally zero interest in trying to repeat '94. I lived through that already. Winning the Cup was great. The next decade absolutely sucked, and it is directly traceable to throwing away Tony Amonte, Doug Weight, Darren Turcotte, Zubov, Kovalev, etc.

I know you have to win one in order to win two, but I'm making moves to win two or three, not just one. Trading Krav, Nils, Chytil and a first, or any similar package, and coming away with a 30 year old and a 38 year old is a stupid 1990s Rangers move.

There is too much rush to try to win before Kreider and Zibanejad decline. People need to accept that if we win with them because the kids turn into studs, great, but if not, those two don't get their name etched in a Cup and it's too bad. Panarin can play for forever so I'm not as worried about him. Not saying to tank, but the organization's primary focus still needs to be on '23-'24 -- '26-'27, not '21-'22 -- '22-'23. Adding for that earlier window is ok, but not at the expense of any core components of the later window.
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you still have to try and win. You don’t blow up the farm to do it but you have to make some strategic deals based on strengths/weaknesses . What you have? What you lack? What you have coming.
For ex. I would have pressed hard for a Lundkvist for Turcotte/Lundell/Zergas etc style trade over the summer.
Most said I was crazy, why rush the move etc. I’m not saying keeping him was wrong. I just don’t know if he ever gets the chance to pump his value that high again while he’s here before he’s dealt.
Nils value was sky high. Schneider/Jones in the system progressing well and Fox blocking every optimum situation where nils would deploy his best talents for the foreseeable future...
Not that I don’t think nils will be good, but you tale that calculated risk based on what you have, what you lack, and what you’re really going to need over the next 5-7 years.
Also, what’s likely harder to find in the Draft in the likely positions the team is gonna be drafting. Unless they hit the lotto again or something crazy
 
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mas0764 said:
Someone else in a different position than us is in a better spot to pay more. Someone desperate to win one last Cup that has no future and is looking to rebuild soon like Pittsburgh is probably way more likely to part with a first. I'm not at that spot yet because we have a future that needs protecting.
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Timing is everything, and the Rangers may never have a better opportunity to win a Cup than this season. Weird covid year, the league is wide open, tons of cap space and stockpiled assets. Oh and Hart, Norris & Vezina candidates in their prime.

The Ranger future is Fox/Igor/Kakko/Laf/Miller. They are going nowhere. But this team can and most likely will go all-in.

Kravtsov, Chytil, Gauthier, Hajek, Lundkvist, Jones, Rangers 1st, Rangers 2nd, and the Blues 2nd. All replaceable or redundant parts that could be moved for rentals.
 
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This team hasn’t been in the playoffs in quite a while, so there is still plenty left to be learned about where we should be looking to make improvements.
 
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White Death 24 said:
Which is?

To me it's Center. We get a better Center than Strome. Move Strome to the wing. And sub Chytil for Goodrow.

Juggle the wingers however you want. O don't have an issue with Keeping Strome as a RW who can fill I'm at C, and keep Panarin happy at the same time.

Everyone says we need a C, RW, and luxury want of LD.

Unless you are referring to a different weakness I don't see the downgrade in my theory.
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Why the push of Strome to wing? He's fine as a 2C. The question is whether they can afford him.
 
McRanger92 said:
Timing is everything, and the Rangers may never have a better opportunity to win a Cup than this season. Weird covid year, the league is wide open, tons of cap space and stockpiled assets. Oh and Hart, Norris & Vezina candidates in their prime.

The Ranger future is Fox/Igor/Kakko/Laf/Miller. They are going nowhere. But this team can and most likely will go all-in.

Kravtsov, Chytil, Gauthier, Hajek, Lundkvist, Jones, Rangers 1st, Rangers 2nd, and the Blues 2nd. All replaceable or redundant parts that could be moved for rentals.
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Agree. I just wouldn’t give up both, Lundqvist and Jones.
 
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brakeyawself said:
Yup. Which is probably an even bigger concern. Again, I really hope I am wrong. But if the past is anything to go by....
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The owner got involved and since he’s gotten involved we are the best team in the NHL. Really not worried about Dolan I think he’s very happy with the rangers now. He probably gave Reaves and Trouba a really nice Christmas bonus for the type of style they have been enforcing on other teams.
 
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Richard Banger said:
The owner got involved and since he’s gotten involved we are the best team in the NHL. Really not worried about Dolan I think he’s very happy with the rangers now. He probably gave Reaves and Trouba a really nice Christmas bonus for the type of style they have been enforcing on other teams.
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The hate that guy gets is unbelievable.
 
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I think it’s going to get heated on the McDavid front sooner then later, the guy is on an embarrassingly awful team with an embarrassingly awful front office. Literally has a higher peak than Crosby, imo, and the Oilers every season make absolutely awful moves that handicap their team.

how long till he wants out?

I wonder how hot that’ll be. He’s about to turn 25 and has 7-8 years of prime hockey. God the Rangers better be all over this if he ever decides he wants out of Edmonton.
 
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What are your gold, silver, bronze packages for the deadline:

Gold: Klingberg/Hertl, Giroux
Silver: Chiarot/Pavelski, Forsberg
Bronze: DeHaan, Kulak / Radulov

I think we do a mix and get Chiarot and Radulov. We’re getting reinforcements but not blowing up our system and picks to do it. regardless of package, we should also pick up Larsson from Yotes.

Krieds Mika Kakko
Pan Strome Rads
Laf Goodrow Chytil
Larsson Rooney Reaves/Hunt/Goat

Lind Fox
Miller Trouba
Chiarot/Nemeth Lundy/Chiarot
 
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They are going to trade Draisaitl in an attempt to surround McDavid with solid players

When that fails... McDavid most likely leaves
 
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I want to know how the Rangers are fitting McDavid and his $13 million cap hit. Have you not seen the challenge of building a roster around his cap hit? You have to 1) fork over assets to acquire him, young assets and 2) attempt to clear cap in separate deals. Say you don’t re-sign Strome. You still need about $9 million to clear. Where is Trouba waiving to when he specifically wanted to be in NY for the sake of his wife an her career. Kreider? Its just assumed he will waive to go somewhere else. Mass. guy that has played his whole career on the East coast. Where do you realistically think he is waiving to? Say you can find that $13 million by letting Strome walk, trading Kreider, and trading Nemeth. What about then re-signing your youth? Depending of course who is left from the trade. AND THEN after all that what about the players you put around McDavid/Zib/Panarin?

It is complete fantasy to acquire McDavid, make it work, AND ice a competitive team that wins. Don’t bring up Crosby/Malkin/Ovie/etc. PIT & WAS drafted them and were able to build enough around them. They didnt have to trade high valued assets to acquire them and then figure out the roster around them.
 
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Lindberg Cheese said:
What are your gold, silver, bronze packages for the deadline:

Gold: Klingberg/Hertl
Silver: Chiarot/Pavelski
Bronze: DeHaan / Radulov

I think we do a mix and get Chiarot and Radulov

regardless of package, we should also pick up Larsson from Yotes.
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Pavelski/Klingberg/MAF would be my targets.

Chytil, Kravtsov, Hajek, Georgiev, 2nd round, 3rd round, 4th round picks out
 
Sabre’s fans on Twitter are already starting to talk shit about how much our fans would give a half ass trade for McDavid. They didn’t like that we wouldn’t want to trade Kakko and Laff for Eichel. Like we wouldn’t offer Kakko and Laf for one of the greatest players ever who’s not even 25 years old :laugh:

people are already assuming we’d land McDavid which is funny bc they know everyone wants to come here
 
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