Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

No taste smell going on 9 months

My wife got covid in March 2020 (she's a RN in a hospital so she got it before all of the procedures were in place for healthcare workers) and while she didn't get majorly sick (thank god) she still doesn't have her normal sense of smell or taste. So that's 21 months where she hasn't gotten it back. Right after that she got pregnant and we had our first child and we hoped after the pregnancy she would get it back but she didn't, just minor improvements but still not back to normal. Now we just found out we're pregnant again and she still doesn't have it back. It sucks that she has to go through a second pregnancy in a pandemic now where she can't even indulge on foods that she used to like because some of them taste horrible now. No ice cream, no cheeseburgers, no creamy pastas, n0 cream cheese. All tastes horrible to her. Oh well. Hopefully this omicron is the end of the pandemic as many are predicting, I really want to be able to go to some ultrasound appointments this time around, I wasn't allowed to go to any last time. She had to go through labor and delivery with a mask on for goodness sake, which was brutal for her.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

No taste smell going on 9 months

Ugh I dont want to hear this. The wife and I got covid last week and we are on day 4 of no taste/smell and it’s brutal. What’s the point of ever going out to a nice restaurant at this point

 

[bhamill]

Ugh I dont want to hear this. The wife and I got covid last week and we are on day 4 of no taste/smell and it’s brutal. What’s the point of ever going out to a nice restaurant at this point

Damn. Feel for anyone who gets that symptom. I just got out of quarantine in time for Christmas. I was asymptomatic, but I know dozens who got it over the past two weeks. A few asymptomatic, the rest split between mild symptoms and totally miserable. A couple in each category lost taste and smell. Sucks. At least no one I know has died in THIS wave. Lost enough in the first two.
Hope you feel better soon guys.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Ugh I dont want to hear this. The wife and I got covid last week and we are on day 4 of no taste/smell and it’s brutal. What’s the point of ever going out to a nice restaurant at this point

Luckily, the chances are your smell/taste will come back and be completely normal again. Feel for anyone who loses it for a long time, but thankfully that is rare.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

 

[EdJovanovski]

We should not get over Buch because that was one of the worst trades of all time. Imagine if he moved back to his original position of center. He was probably moved to wing in the first place because of being poor defensively, now he’s one of the best defensive forwards in the league. We could’ve had a young PPG Selke-tier center with one of the best personalities in hockey and great chemistry with the team on & off ice, oh well.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

We should not get over Buch because that was one of the worst trades of all time. Imagine if he moved back to his original position of center. He was probably moved to wing in the first place because of being poor defensively, now he’s one of the best defensive forwards in the league. We could’ve had a young PPG Selke-tier center with one of the best personalities in hockey and great chemistry with the team on & off ice, oh well.

It was a stupid then and it's a stupid trade now. I still have no idea what Drury was thinking. You want to trade Buchnevich? Fine. But to think his value is a 2nd rounder and a bottom-six F?

Atrocious. Horrible asset management.

 

[EdJovanovski]

It was a stupid then and it's a stupid trade now. I still have no idea what Drury was thinking. You want to trade Buchnevich? Fine. But to think his value is a 2nd rounder and a bottom-six F?

Atrocious. Horrible asset management.

And then salt on the wound was doing nothing with all that extra cap space, even if just for a year or two we could’ve got assets by taking a bad 1/2yr contract. I know I’m emotionally invested because he was my favorite player but, seeing the guy comment crying emoji’s in the Rangers Instagram Live of our pregame ceremony for our home opener was heartbreaking. He still clicks like on Rangers posts, and did this.

(that’s the Rangers equipment manager)
There’s no way that guy wouldn’t have taken a discount to stay a Ranger.

 

[jay from jersey]

Kyriou and Thomas have taken major strides this year for the blues. Kyriou looks like a bonafide stud and Thomas looks like he has the talent to be a very high end 2C. He would have been a good trade target last offseason.
Assuming Chytil doesn’t deliver production wise the rest of the season, what are some realistic trade targets for 2C for us long term??
This season well add some mercenaries and try to catch fire in the postseason. Next year the cap crunch is tighter.
I expect Georgiev, Strome, And possibly all of Nemeth, Chytil, and Rooney not to be here by the start of next season.
Assuming all of the above happens, what do we do?? Our likely trade ammo will be some of a combo of Chytil, Kravtsov, Nemeth, 1 of Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson, 22 late 1st, 1 of or 22 2nds, possibly more???
Overall, I don’t expect too much Roster turnover, but at least 2-3 new faces. And maybe another 2 kids from our system.
Our line yo likely looks something like

kreider-Zibanejad-kakko
Panarin-Trade/New guy- Blais/kakko
LaF-Barron-Goodrow
Hunt- UFA Derek Ryan type-Reaves
Ex Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider / maybe Lundkvist
Ex UFA vet/Nemeth

Shesty
UFA Greiss/Halak type etc

It’s not terribly different. The hope is LaF at least takes a developmental bump to where he’s skating /playing like Kakko is this year. I think he’ll have an easier time producing points, especially if he steps into the top PP role vacated by strome.
This line up gives you a lot of options for movement. Hopefully LaF can move up and run
LaF-Zibby-Kreider or even Panarin-Zibby-Kreider if necessary.
Then 3rd line of Goodrow-Barron-Blais/kakko ?
It allows Gallant a lot of movement to try and find the right combos/chemistry.
Rooney most likely pricing himself out is the biggest blow behind finding the strome replacement.
Finding the Right guy for 2C duty is very important for line up balance...whose the main targets???
Larkin/Lindholm/Cirelli - all unlikely and expensive in cap/assets
Lundell/Zergas /Hintz/Pettersson- not a snowballs chance in hell
Horvat??? Perhaps but Canucks seem to be playing better.
Norris/Pinto/PLD/Hirchier- all also highly unlikely
Can we try to pry Stephenson or Karlsson out of Vegas with Eichel now there?? Maybe
Canes and Kings both seem like potential trading partners. Both have a lot of capital at center?
Don’t really want to pay A lot of assets for Trochek/Kotkaniemi or Villardi. Byfield and Turcotte are going no where. Turcotte will likely shift to wing.

Finding a young long term guy might prove to be impossible. We might have to pay for another stop gap/ band aid.
Any ideas??? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller.....? Bueller....?

 

[McRanger92]

It was a stupid then and it's a stupid trade now. I still have no idea what Drury was thinking. You want to trade Buchnevich? Fine. But to think his value is a 2nd rounder and a bottom-six F?

Atrocious. Horrible asset management.

Ill bite. The league decides what a players value is, and Sam Reinhart & Viktor Arvidsson, who are comparable players to Buch, got a 1st and a meh goalie prospect and 2 2nds, respectively.

I know people are slaves to "asset management" but wheres the evidence that the Rangers couldve gotten significantly more for Buch?

 

[haohmaru]

I know people are slaves to "asset management" but wheres the evidence that the Rangers couldve gotten significantly more for Buch?

There isn't any and that's the entire problem with the "we didn't get enough" side of the argument. Drury likely shopped him for months and that's what we walked away with.

Personally, I think keeping him until the TDL would've been wiser given his trajectory but that's another matter...

 

[jay from jersey]

There isn't any and that's the entire problem with the "we didn't get enough" side of the argument. Drury likely shopped him for months and that's what we walked away with.

Personally, I think keeping him until the TDL would've been wiser given his trajectory but that's another matter...

He would have been another self rental like strome.

 

[bhamill]

Ill bite.
I know people are slaves to "asset management" but wheres the evidence that the Rangers couldve gotten significantly more for Buch?

There is none. I doubt management turned down better offers for him. And honestly before Blais got hurt the deal wasn’t looking too bad (to ME, it’s subjective after all), but I mean we all have our favorites ( that whole subjective thing again) and put different valuations. Liked Buch, still do, but my opinion of him isn’t NEARLY as high as some other folks’. So I’m not as obsessed as them over it.

 

[McRanger92]

Kyriou and Thomas have taken major strides this year for the blues. Kyriou looks like a bonafide stud and Thomas looks like he has the talent to be a very high end 2C. He would have been a good trade target last offseason.
Assuming Chytil doesn’t deliver production wise the rest of the season, what are some realistic trade targets for 2C for us long term??
This season well add some mercenaries and try to catch fire in the postseason. Next year the cap crunch is tighter.
I expect Georgiev, Strome, And possibly all of Nemeth, Chytil, and Rooney not to be here by the start of next season.
Assuming all of the above happens, what do we do?? Our likely trade ammo will be some of a combo of Chytil, Kravtsov, Nemeth, 1 of Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson, 22 late 1st, 1 of or 22 2nds, possibly more???
Overall, I don’t expect too much Roster turnover, but at least 2-3 new faces. And maybe another 2 kids from our system.
Our line yo likely looks something like

kreider-Zibanejad-kakko
Panarin-Trade/New guy- Blais/kakko
LaF-Barron-Goodrow
Hunt- UFA Derek Ryan type-Reaves
Ex Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones-Schneider / maybe Lundkvist
Ex UFA vet/Nemeth

Shesty
UFA Greiss/Halak type etc

It’s not terribly different. The hope is LaF at least takes a developmental bump to where he’s skating /playing like Kakko is this year. I think he’ll have an easier time producing points, especially if he steps into the top PP role vacated by strome.
This line up gives you a lot of options for movement. Hopefully LaF can move up and run
LaF-Zibby-Kreider or even Panarin-Zibby-Kreider if necessary.
Then 3rd line of Goodrow-Barron-Blais/kakko ?
It allows Gallant a lot of movement to try and find the right combos/chemistry.
Rooney most likely pricing himself out is the biggest blow behind finding the strome replacement.
Finding the Right guy for 2C duty is very important for line up balance...whose the main targets???
Larkin/Lindholm/Cirelli - all unlikely and expensive in cap/assets
Lundell/Zergas /Hintz/Pettersson- not a snowballs chance in hell
Horvat??? Perhaps but Canucks seem to be playing better.
Norris/Pinto/PLD/Hirchier- all also highly unlikely
Can we try to pry Stephenson or Karlsson out of Vegas with Eichel now there?? Maybe
Canes and Kings both seem like potential trading partners. Both have a lot of capital at center?
Don’t really want to pay A lot of assets for Trochek/Kotkaniemi or Villardi. Byfield and Turcotte are going no where. Turcotte will likely shift to wing.

Finding a young long term guy might prove to be impossible. We might have to pay for another stop gap/ band aid.
Any ideas??? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller.....? Bueller....?

The most likely answer is that Strome is re-signed or they somehow get one of the Vegas centers as a cap casualty for Eichel. I doubt this team as we see it now changes much over the next 2-3 years. They already look like a playoff team and they'll rely on continuity, experience and the young guns breaking out, to take the next step. Not terribly exciting, but the big additions have all been made for the most part.

 

[Fitzy]

Not to make light of it but I suspect I’d lose a lot of my extra weight if I lost my sense of taste

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

The league will have to do away with the COVID testing thing sooner or later. It's 5 times higher positive rate this year compared to last year when players eventually built up immunity by playoffs. Imagine 6 top 9 players out with no symptoms during the playoffs.

no they didn't. The only reason players are getting sick is because everyone has kind of thrown caution to the wind

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Today’s Media Availability.
Patrik Nemeth and Coach Gerard Gallant

 

[Barnaby]

I’m less worried about replacing Buchnevich and more worried about finding another C. I haven’t been crazy about Chytil at C for awhile now. They need to find at minimum, a solid 3C. I don’t think Chytil is doing Lafreniere any favors.

 

[Tob]

no they didn't. The only reason players are getting sick is because everyone has kind of thrown caution to the wind

Very few players are actually "getting sick" though. Mild symptoms to no symptoms at all. At this point omicron covid is basically like splash back from dropping a loaf and the misting from flushing the toilet. Everyone will experience it at some point but it's not going to do any harm.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Very few players are actually "getting sick" though. Mild symptoms to no symptoms at all. At this point omicron covid is basically like splash back from dropping a loaf and the misting from flushing the toilet. Everyone will experience it at some point but it's not going to do any harm.

Yep, neighbors behind me all have it. Either cold symptoms or no symptoms.

 

[Barnaby]

no they didn't. The only reason players are getting sick is because everyone has kind of thrown caution to the wind

Do we honestly expect men in their 20’s to live like they’re in a bubble indefinitely? Meanwhile, most, if not all, theirs friends throughout the league have had mild if any symptoms? I don’t want to go down the Covid rabbit hole, but it seems pretty unrealistic to me. They could shut the league down for another year and we’ll be hearing about the growing decepticon variant.

At this point, it might make more sense to tell players they must report any symptoms immediately at which point you get tested. If you test positive, then you stay away from the club until you get two negative tests. Give players all info possible to avoid unsafe situations but in the end the onus falls on them.

I think that’s a safe and realistic way possible to go forward. Of course, if there’s a stronger strain that comes out or it dissipates entirely then you update as you go. The situation is fluid.

 

[haohmaru]

He would have been another self rental like strome.

Not if that wasn't the goal. Strome might end up being that because, unfortunately, he's a critical component to the team's success. Buchnevich, however, would be an asset at the deadline to a team trying to get over the hump. It's not ideal, like Strome, because if the team is as successful as it has been it sends a pretty bad message to the room.

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I imagine we’ll still be talking about Buch in 2034. It’s only like 12 years away.

Hell, 12 years ago we had guys like Redden, Avery and the ever promising Enver Lisin. Guys we still talk about.

 

[bobbop]

Ill bite. The league decides what a players value is, and Sam Reinhart & Viktor Arvidsson, who are comparable players to Buch, got a 1st and a meh goalie prospect and 2 2nds, respectively.

I know people are slaves to "asset management" but wheres the evidence that the Rangers could've gotten significantly more for Buch?

Second this.

In addition, the Rangers knew they were headed for a cap crunch in 2022-23, the other teams referenced weren't.

Armchair GMs.

 

[jay from jersey]

Ill bite. The league decides what a players value is, and Sam Reinhart & Viktor Arvidsson, who are comparable players to Buch, got a 1st and a meh goalie prospect and 2 2nds, respectively.

I know people are slaves to "asset management" but wheres the evidence that the Rangers couldve gotten significantly more for Buch?

count me in this corner. You’re absolutely right with the comps Broski. Not only that, there was a plethora of UFA wingers also on the market in the offseason who only cost cap space..
-NYR has kreids/bread locked up for big money, kakko/LaF contracts coming, and signed a needed player in Goodrow.
- Buch also needed a raise and long term deal.
Likely self renting him and Strome isn’t better asset management.

im sure Blais was absolutely one of the players Drury was specifically targeting a part of the deal coming back. But I highly doubt he left a substantially bigger deal on the table for Blais+ 2nd.
If anything it was likely a similar return with another team and they chose to go with the blues offer because they were higher on Blais then whatever other piece was coming back.

I will say this, Buch is not a PPG fwd until he does it in Single season. He’s found nice chemistry with his 2 comrades in stl. It seems like Tarashenkos hot start has petered out a bit. I have my doubt that Buch continues to produce at his current pace.