Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

[IDvsEGO]

If he burned so many bridges then why did Carolina sign him? Jesper Fast and Brady Skjei were already on the team and knew him. You'd think if Carolina was interested in a controversial player they would do their diligence and talk to players on the team that already know him. Then why did Brendan Smith sign already knowing he was there? Doesn't seem like too many players had issues with him. Besides, from what we've been told Georgiev is the one in the locker room that doesn't seem to get along with more people.

keep in mind edge said (at the time of the incident) that tony initially on the rangers was behaved, kept non hockey stuff out of the locker room and players had no issues with him. Skjei and Fast were around that Tony.
The Tony that got paid 3m and change to stay home couldn't separate the locker room *aka work* from his personal life. Skjei and Fast did not see this Tony.
They were probably asked how was he and he likely would've gotten good grades from both of them, based on his behavior in 18-19, when they were all on the team together.

 

[Lays]

Was drafting Othmann a 200 IQ move by Drury so that we trade him at a higher value to Buffalo once they select Shane Wright? The two are best friends and I’m sure Buffalo could use some good locker room chemistry for once. That’d be the only reason I like the pick, other than that, still really dislike it

 

[RangersFan1994]

Was drafting Othmann a 200 IQ move by Drury so that we trade him at a higher value to Buffalo once they select Shane Wright? The two are best friends and I’m sure Buffalo could use some good locker room chemistry for once. That’d be the only reason I like the pick, other than that, still really dislike it

that would be so stupid and bad asset management. let's select a player because he is friends with a player that is on a team that they might trade with

 

[jay from jersey]

One thing regarding the 2C for this team, with Drury in charge now and Gallant as the HC, maybe someone like Barron will be tried at center. With Drury at the helm in Hartford, he did get some time there. I think they know what he brings to the table as a winger. Hopefully they will let him roll in camp at center and maybe even get into a game where he is centering Kakko or Lafreniere to see how well they play together.

If Barron is a part of the future of the team, giving him a chance with those two is paramount to determining if he is a center or a winger. His style of play would add something different down the middle.

Barron is the type of player that we did think Lias Andersson would be like. He isn't the best skater, but he'll hit, work hard, and chip in goals in front, and play a 200ft game. Translating that to center over being a winger for this team would be huge.3

One thing with the lines being more static over the past two seasons is that we have not gotten to see if our young options down the middle can play up. Chytil needs preseason time with Panarin. We know what he and Strome can do, let's find out if Chytil, now not a rookie or inexperienced, can roll with a player like Panarin and increase this teams overall depth.

I have no doubt Barron is going to surprise people. I think he’s the long term 3C for this team and the player Gallant is going to want in that role. He’s shot is legit dangerous. So there is offense to his game. I don’t think he’s got the speed or offense chops for 2C duty.
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Barron is the starting 3C out of camp between kreider/Kravtsov and Goodrow.
This is why I think this is such a critical time for chytil. He needs to show he can stick as 2C. If not, he needs to be traded and the position upgraded.
I have a feeling the brass view on chytil is, if he’s not good enough( talent wise) to stick in the top 6, he’s not the kind of player they want doing bottom 6 duties.
Like it or not, our bottom 6 is going to be hardworking on the forecheck, big, good along the boards and down low, and provide offense / dirty work goals.
That is what drury and Gallant seem to want. They are trying to mimic the bottom 6 he had in Vegas.
Be relentless, tough, physical, and basically out work the other teams bottom 6.
Not saying chytil can’t fill that role, but I think Barron being bigger, tougher, and having all those qualities checks more boxes for what they are looking to do

 

[Thirty One]

that would be so stupid and bad asset management. let's select a player because he is friends with a player that is on a team that they might trade with

* a player that might eventually be on a team

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

that would be so stupid and bad asset management. let's select a player because he is friends with a player that is on a team that they might trade with

Agreed. They drafted Othmann because he fits into the Rangers timeline. And he was a prfectly reasonable selection at 16.

 

[NickyFotiu]

“You can’t tell me JD [Davidson], who loves toughness, didn’t know we weren’t tough,” he continued. “I can tell you that all the meetings we had with David Quinn talking about getting tougher over time. We also needed some of these young guys who were playing for us to have to deal with adversity, play through some of this stuff — see how they did with it, too.”

What was Gorton trying to do here? If he is saying they all knew they were a soft team wasn't he in charge of getting the guys to make the team tougher?

 

[RangersFan1994]

Agreed. They drafted Othmann because he fits into the Rangers timeline. And he was a prfectly reasonable selection at 16.

I love this pick. reminds me of a better version of JT Miller. i wonder if Othmann can play all forward positions including center

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Was drafting Othmann a 200 IQ move by Drury so that we trade him at a higher value to Buffalo once they select Shane Wright? The two are best friends and I’m sure Buffalo could use some good locker room chemistry for once. That’d be the only reason I like the pick, other than that, still really dislike it

Still dont understand why you hate the pick so much.

Was entirely reasonable where he was taken and checks almost every box.

 

[Fitzy]

A mid round first in this draft is sort of the equivalent of an early second rounder in most others.

In other words, not really worth getting all overly worked up about.

If you can get a career third liner out of Othmann you take it and run

 

[Thirty One]

“You can’t tell me JD [Davidson], who loves toughness, didn’t know we weren’t tough,” he continued. “I can tell you that all the meetings we had with David Quinn talking about getting tougher over time. We also needed some of these young guys who were playing for us to have to deal with adversity, play through some of this stuff — see how they did with it, too.”

What was Gorton trying to do here? If he is saying they all knew they were a soft team wasn't he in charge of getting the guys to make the team tougher?

He was trying to get "tougher to play" against, as he said a lot during the his last offseason here. But it can be expensive. Tampa needed to get tougher to play against. Coleman cost them a 1st and one of their top prospects, Goodrow cost them a 1st. Worked out pretty good for Tampa Bay because they were close already, but I don't think it makes sense for all teams to be paying those prices. When he was fired, it was pretty clear that patience was no longer an option, and they paid some high prices to get what they've been looking for.

 

[JimmyG89]

“You can’t tell me JD [Davidson], who loves toughness, didn’t know we weren’t tough,” he continued. “I can tell you that all the meetings we had with David Quinn talking about getting tougher over time. We also needed some of these young guys who were playing for us to have to deal with adversity, play through some of this stuff — see how they did with it, too.”

What was Gorton trying to do here? If he is saying they all knew they were a soft team wasn't he in charge of getting the guys to make the team tougher?

He also mentioned that when you have as many top prospects as they do, they need to play. You can't let them sit or toil in the minors. So you let them learn how to go through those things.

Well, we're at a point where they have gone through what happened against Carolina and at the end of last season. Theyve added those pieces now. I don't think Drury is deviating much from their plan, so firing Gorton and JD was not personnel related IMO. Something happened after the Panarin/Wilson moment that caused them to be fired.

 

[romba]

I wasn't being cryptic lol. And I've mentioned how I was a high major DIRECTOR OF BASKETBALL OPERATIONS (DOBO) many times. It's why I have a great insight into how teams actually function both operationally and in the locker room.

 

[rangers1314]

Flyers sign free agent forward Derick Brassard

825K for Brassgod

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Flyers sign free agent forward Derick Brassard

825K for Brassgod

Will always appreciate BrassGod.

But he's cooked.

 

[Thirty One]

Is Brassard going to be the first player to play for all 8 teams in a division?

 

[romba]

“You can’t tell me JD [Davidson], who loves toughness, didn’t know we weren’t tough,” he continued. “I can tell you that all the meetings we had with David Quinn talking about getting tougher over time. We also needed some of these young guys who were playing for us to have to deal with adversity, play through some of this stuff — see how they did with it, too.”

What was Gorton trying to do here? If he is saying they all knew they were a soft team wasn't he in charge of getting the guys to make the team tougher?

Sounds like instead of paying for quality tough players, they wanted Quinn to get the youngsters to toughen up through adversity to solve the problem. Doesn't really make sense to me either.

 

[Thirty One]

The timing of the signing makes me wonder if Kevin Hayes might take some time off.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is Brassard going to be the first player to play for all 8 teams in a division?

The modern day Arron Asham

 

[jay from jersey]

He also mentioned that when you have as many top prospects as they do, they need to play. You can't let them sit or toil in the minors. So you let them learn how to go through those things.

Well, we're at a point where they have gone through what happened against Carolina and at the end of last season. Theyve added those pieces now. I don't think Drury is deviating much from their plan, so firing Gorton and JD was not personnel related IMO. Something happened after the Panarin/Wilson moment that caused them to be fired.

Exactly the reason why I think nils will be traded. Odds are after this season, there’s not going to be a slot for him to move up on the right side and receive those top 4 RD hard minutes and PP opportunities to truly develop his craft. Not here anyway.
He also holds a lot of value. Add that all up and he’s likely to be shopped. If he’s not playing LD top 4 for us long term, I don’t see the future here for him
It’s one of the major reasons Buch was moved/ along with finance, and it’s likely going to happen with another one of our young D on the left side.
It’s going to get to the point where they are going to need to step up and gain more responsibility/ time into a position that’s open for them, or they are going to be traded to strengthen a weak position on the roster

 

[Avery16]

This probably won't dispel much of the breathless gossip on here about DeAngelo being so disliked and a locker room distraction.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

“You can’t tell me JD [Davidson], who loves toughness, didn’t know we weren’t tough,” he continued. “I can tell you that all the meetings we had with David Quinn talking about getting tougher over time. We also needed some of these young guys who were playing for us to have to deal with adversity, play through some of this stuff — see how they did with it, too.”

What was Gorton trying to do here? If he is saying they all knew they were a soft team wasn't he in charge of getting the guys to make the team tougher?

The few things I take from this quote is:

A. Quinn was probably asking JD and Gorts for more toughness, or at least engaged in the direction the club needed to take (pretty obvious)
B. Talking about getting tougher "over time" in regards to Quinn - seems like they definitely were going to hold onto him going into this season...
C. The bit about the young guys dealing with adversity sounds nice, but its more of an excuse imo.

I still believe Gorts and JD would have addressed the toughness factor, to what degree and if it were to be on par with whom Drury brought in, that I dont know. Probably not.

I haven't been thrilled with Drury but not killing him either. I felt firing JD and Gorts was more of a reactionary move despite some of the "messy" situations the Rangers management in the months leading up to it. However some of it (ADA) was out of their control imo and things they were forced to make decisions on. I still felt like they were on the right path.

However - we have a much better coach right now. That is for certain. I wasnt a Quinn killer but I wasnt in love with him either. I thought he did some good things - but as far as taking the next steps I felt his days were numbered. So to nip that in the bud so to speak and get Gallant in may be worth all of the "trouble". He will help accelerate this team from rebuild/retool to really competing. I think Quinn would've fallen flat in that regard, lost the team (if he hadnt already) and it would've been a waste of time.

When you add it all up, the coaching change may be the most important thing and Im not sure that would've happened if the prior regime was still around.

 

[RangersFan1994]

The timing of the signing makes me wonder if Kevin Hayes might take some time off.

makes sense and since its a family matter, as he should miss some training camp if he needs too.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The team told DeAngelo to go f*** himself and paid him to skate around with kids in south jersey for 6 months

but yeah he wasn’t a locker distraction

what did people expect Gorton to say? “Yeah Tony is a f***ing asshole and we got rid of him because of it”

 

[Savant]

If he burned so many bridges then why did Carolina sign him? Jesper Fast and Brady Skjei were already on the team and knew him. You'd think if Carolina was interested in a controversial player they would do their diligence and talk to players on the team that already know him. Then why did Brendan Smith sign already knowing he was there? Doesn't seem like too many players had issues with him. Besides, from what we've been told Georgiev is the one in the locker room that doesn't seem to get along with more people.

Carolina signed him because they are trying to Moneypuck losing Hamilton