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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXII

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Fitzy said:
Because I'm talking about the penalty kill, where two centers very often play together.
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Still potentially compromising the situation if we have to play 2 centers just to protect him on face offs. There may be forwards better suited to PK.
 
Zajac, Bozak, Cizikas, and Filpulla are all centers still out there. The first and third are probably waiting for Lou to amp up.

Donato and Brassard also. PTO or Training Camp Invite?
 
I would absolutely give Brassard a camp invite or league minimum deal. Bozak also is of interest.

Bargain bin hunting time.

Don’t rule out Boyle either who Drury had on the USA Team for the IIHF Tourney
 
duhmetreE said:
That's the problem.. there will most likely never be public transportation going up north.

Tampa does just fine in Channelside and everyone drives. Jeff Vinik has done a phenomenal job developing the surrounding area.. IMO Tampa is the model to copycat, they created an amazing experience for fans

IMO it would need to be out of the perimeter and north.
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People shouldn't mistake Tampa for a city... its is not. It (like many FL spots) is a town.

Parking for games or concerts at Amalie is vacant lots where there are no buildings. Walk to a couple bars (Hat Tricks is the best IMO)

"Channelside" proper is a dying area due east of the arena that's an outdoor mall type spot w outrageous rent for businesses

Ybor is not a walk.

I wouldn't use the Tampa map as a model.

Games are fun... Tesla coil etc... but really its tailgate atmosphere and I4 / I75 location that makes it viable.
 
RGY said:
I would absolutely give Brassard a camp invite or league minimum deal. Bozak also is of interest.

Bargain bin hunting time.

Don’t rule out Boyle either who Drury had on the USA Team for the IIHF Tourney
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Why? Completely useless. Doesn't fit.

These suggestions come up every year.
 
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Meh, Brassard is cooked. Would much rather Donato if we're bringing in a center on the cheap.
 
brakeyawself said:
100%. There's absolutely no downside to puck moving, or offensive Dmen, at least in the mold of Hedman or Fox. Or if a team has a PP specialist that doesn't see as much time at 5x5 or even strength. But usually that latter group of PP specialists aren't going to get top salaries. I think the problem more so arises when you have to pay offensive Dmen top D money, but they don't provide enough actual defense. That screws with the teams asset management. And then it requires a team to still acquire shut down D's who are going to cost a lot on their own. So obviously if you can get a Fox or a Hedman and pay them top dollar, it's totally worth it. Two bird's one stone. And yea every team needs 1 or 2 capable offensive Dmen, at least for the PP and escaping the trap or just breaking the neutral zone in general. However, that can often lead to a counter attack if the offensive D are too focused on offense. At least I noticed this last season a lot with Quinn Hughes and some with Makar. Hughes who had a great rookie season, wasn't quite as successful his sophomore campaign, I think in part, because teams got wise to how he operates and were able to counter him to an extent.

And I think some clubs realized this early on. Which is why, no matter how good guys like Clague were offensively, they weren't really used. Mete dealt with similar, but at least he has been able to improve dramatically on defense.

And then you have guys like Heiskanen and Werenski who are probably capable of putting up more points, but don't need to put up points in order to make an impact. Actually, I think both those guys understand that their first responsibility is defense which probably, to some extent, limits the amount of points they could put up otherwise.

Nurse is an interesting case. He has all the talent in the world. And he puts up beastly statistics. He manages to score a good amount of points without being too heavily used on the PP. And I think to some extent, he's underrated or undervalued by many fans. All though he's not perfect and does have some holes in his game. But I think having a guy like him could be very important for most teams. I'm just not sure if he's worth the 9 mil a year or whatever he's making. But certainly, he provides a lot for one player. I would actually be fairly happy if Miller turned out to be 3/4 of the player Nurse is. I do see a lot of similarities between Nurse and Miller, in play style, ability, athleticism and physique. All though Miller could certainly do with being even half as physical as Nurse is.
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Great point! I 100% agree on the biased pay for Ds that get sheltered minutes and put up pts. I think we are seeing a bit of a new type in someone like Sam Girardi who is playing well and getting recognized, but not getting elite production without PP. Still makes 5m though…
 
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Alluckks said:
Why? Completely useless. Doesn't fit.

These suggestions come up every year.
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What is so useless about a proven veteran center playing for at or near the league minimum? Is there some deserved love affair with Kevin f***ing Rooney? How about Chytil? Is he some sure thing to be a Center in this league? No chance he ends up being a wing? And did we all the sudden accumulate great center depth since yesterday that covers us in case of injury?

Yeah, thats why these suggestions come up so much…

Oh and guess what it hurt us last year when Chytil went down as we were already depleted at Center.
 
RGY said:
What is so useless about a proven veteran center playing for at or near the league minimum? Is there some deserved love affair with Kevin f***ing Rooney? How about Chytil? Is he some sure thing to be a Center in this league? No chance he ends up being a wing? And did we all the sudden accumulate great center depth since yesterday that covers us in case of injury?

Yeah, thats why these suggestions come up so much…

Oh and guess what it hurt us last year when Chytil went down as we were already depleted at Center.
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Are you suggesting that current day Daniel Brassard is going to beat out Chytil by such a noticeable margin that we should go with him as a starter over him lol

Those guys you suggested are old, slow, and bad now

No need to get so testy
 
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I’d pay Boyle decent money for two years if he was okay playing in the AHL mainly. I’d be okay with a small cap hit on the actual cap for that too. Like a 2 year deal for $1.25m per season with the understanding they would like for him to be a major piece in Hartford
 
Alluckks said:
Are you suggesting that current day Daniel Brassard is going to beat out Chytil by such a noticeable margin that we should go with him as a starter over him lol

Those guys you suggested are old, slow, and bad now

No need to get so testy
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Where did I say he should be starting over Chytil day 1? I said Brassard would be insurance and is 100% a better player than Kevin Rooney. So is Bozak. Brassard’s legs are still there. He had a decent year in Arizona for what he is now.

This team’s center depth is putrid. Your current 2C right now would be better suited on the wing. It remains to be seen if Chytil, your 3C as it stands right now, stays a Center longterm in this league. Rooney is an NHL/AHL tweener. Barron might also be better suited on the wing but even still if we want him to be a Center he needs more development and grooming. Beyond that, its a black hole. This team made all these moves to be more competitive, tougher to play against, it can all go to shit on the shoulders of the centers down the middle, especially if one gets hurt for any length of time.
 
RGY said:
Where did I say he should be starting over Chytil day 1? I said Brassard would be insurance and is 100% a better player than Kevin Rooney. So is Bozak. Brassard’s legs are still there. He had a decent year in Arizona for what he is now.

This team’s center depth is putrid. Your current 2C right now would be better suited on the wing. It remains to be seen if Chytil, your 3C as it stands right now, stays a Center longterm in this league. Rooney is an NHL/AHL tweener. Barron might also be better suited on the wing but even still if we want him to be a Center he needs more development and grooming. Beyond that, its a black hole. This team made all these moves to be more competitive, tougher to play against, it can all go to shit on the shoulders of the centers down the middle, especially if one gets hurt for any length of time.
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Insurance where? In Hartford?
 
RGY said:
13th/14th forward. Or just straight up beating out Rooney for 4C
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Brassard as 4C is dumb and goes entirely against what the team is trying to do now

Also

Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Strome Goodrow
Kreider Chytil Kravstov
Blais Rooney Gauthier
Hunt
Barron
Reaves

Idc what line combos you use, but those are the forwards under contract. All of them except maybe Reaves is preferred over Daniel Brassard and Brian Boyle in their current forms. And even then, I prefer Reaves as my 15th forward over either.
 
Alluckks said:
Brassard as 4C is dumb and goes entirely against what the team is trying to do now

Also

Laf Zib Kakko
Panarin Strome Goodrow
Kreider Chytil Kravstov
Blais Rooney Gauthier
Hunt
Barron
Reaves

Idc what line combos you use, but those are the forwards under contract. All of them except maybe Reaves is preferred over Daniel Brassard and Brian Boyle in their current forms. And even then, I prefer Reaves as my 15th forward over either.
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No, no, please explain why Brassard as the 4C is “dumb”. Do tell. I would love to hear the explanation. Because the numbers would show otherwise. And at least Brassard has had experience playing up and down a lineup as he has gone through his career, has produced, has played in all situations at times.
 
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