Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

[Leetch3]

as much as I'd enjoy that Skjei trade, a LHD of Lindgren-Hajek-Staal might be the worst LHD this team has had in its recent history.

short term it would be ugly...but big picture I still like our future on the left with Hajek/Lindgren/Rykov/Miller/Robertson/Jones/Reunanen...I certainly wouldn't say no to a top pair guy but the situation looks much worse currently cause those guys aren't ready yet. And this is a big reason why while we might be competitive in the short term, the team really won't be 'rebuilt' for another couple years till the left side of the defense is rebuilt.

 

[True Blue]

I mean in life it absolutely makes a difference. In terms of playing hockey it doesn't though.

Sorry, it make ZERO difference in hockey or life. Your views are no more important that anyone else's. And when it comes to view points, no more correct. And subways cost the same and run late no matter what.

 

[gravey9]

Before we start talking about trading any of our D, I'd like to see what ADA or Fox look like on their off-side. This idea that only righties can play right D and lefties play left D might not hold that much water given the athleticism and skating ability of guys like Fox, ADA or even Lundkvist. Before we assume there's a log jam at right D, let's experiment with one of these guys on their off-side.

 

[Edge]

zero chance Hank retires anytime soon. This line of thought has zero legs.

I feel like this one or those quotes people get pissed about when I bring back up six months later.

 

[Leetch3]

Theres no reason for Hank to retire. He’s still a very good goalie, and will be a serviceable backup after this contract. Trade Georgiev.

only reason for him to retire is if he wants too...and given the fact that we are trending up and not awful, I can't see it happening. if we were the red wings bad then maybe he would say I don't want to deal with this anymore. but thats not the case.

 

[True Blue]

Never meant to derail thread w that comment just that I literally love ADA on this team and don’t want him moved.

“Jesus Christ Dorn let’s not start a holy war here!”

Do you have any fried chicken we can sacrifice?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Before we start talking about trading any of our D, I'd like to see what ADA or Fox look like on their off-side. This idea that only righties can play right D and lefties play left D might not hold that much water given the athleticism and skating ability of guys like Fox, ADA or even Lundkvist. Before we assume there's a log jam at right D, let's experiment with one of these guys on their off-side.

Before anything we need to know what Tony wants for a contract. North of 4.5 mill and he is outta here, they wont pay it.

 

[Kendo]

Well, because most of those LD are horrific, and by reallocating money from their forward depth to their blue line it means they've addressed a need without impacting their cap flexibility.

Tuch for Skjei and make a futures offer for Vatanen as a rental. Suddenly you've addressed your biggest weakness while only losing one roster player who was playing on your 3rd line.

Tuch is a great trading chip for them. If they capitalize on his value as a 2nd liner on most teams (who just happens to be buried a little bit on the 3rd), then they should be aiming higher than yet another 2nd pair LD.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Before anything we need to know what Tony wants for a contract. North of 4.5 mill and he is outta here, they wont pay it.

Personally, I wouldn't give him more than 3-3.5M.

 

[gravey9]

Before anything we need to know what Tony wants for a contract. North of 4.5 mill and he is outta here, they wont pay it.

We hold his RFA rights. He's still eligible for arbitration after this season. We can sign him to a 1 or 2 year deal and not think twice about it. I don't think a long term decision needs to be made about Tony D right now. I'd only move him if someone made an offer too good to pass up.

 

[NernieBichols]

This.

Vegas is a win now team. Look at their roster and the dough they are committed to for the next few years. There are only a few teams with good defensive chips to play (NJ is one, possibly Martinez from LA)

Interested to see how "all in" they decide to go.

Timing, also meaning as edge keeps mentioning, the rangers are hesitant to deal skjei until they have somebody to take his minutes

We like action. Partially because we just hope the things we see or feel or want happen at some point, so we want it happening now.

But I get the jist Gorts knows these deals will be here in the summer as well. Bc of skjei’s deployment and lack of somebody proven to take over, the Rangers will wait until the summer when they have options and 2 months before a game is played.

I’m beginning to feel from the sense I’m getting from others, is that another team is gonna need to step up their offer or decide to swallow on the current ask to make a skjei trade happen in season.

 

[gravey9]

Personally, I wouldn't give him more than 3-3.5M.

We can low ball him because he's still an RFA with arbritration rights. But we did give 4m to Namestnikov and SPOONER last year. So, while we will low-ball him, he's probably worth 4-5m on open market.

 

[NernieBichols]

If it’s a Tuch or nylander centered deal for skjei. Their contracts and their teams need to trade the players aren’t going away. If those are two of the most interested teams and the players they want to move, Gorts knows he can wait until the summer, bc Vegas/Toronto situation isn’t gonna change that much between now and then

 

[Deleted member 23124]

We can low ball him because he's still an RFA with arbritration rights. But we did give 4m to Namestnikov and SPOONER last year. So, while we will low-ball him, he's probably worth 4-5m on open market.

Then open market it is.....I don't think it's lowballing him.....I don't see the necessity in giving him open market money for less than a season's work.

 

[GAGLine]

We can low ball him because he's still an RFA with arbritration rights. But we did give 4m to Namestnikov and SPOONER last year. So, while we will low-ball him, he's probably worth 4-5m on open market.

Spooner made 2.85 mil the year before, so it was only a 1.15 mil raise. Names made 1.975 mil the year before, a 2.075 mil raise.

If ADA gets 3.5, that's a 2.5 mil raise. Yeah, you can say we low balled him last year, but he was coming off a year in which he was a healthy scratch several times. He's showing this year that he can be more consistent and do the things the coach has asked him to do. That will result in a better contract, but maybe not a 5 mil per year contract.

 

[Trxjw]

Tuch is a great trading chip for them. If they capitalize on his value as a 2nd liner on most teams (who just happens to be buried a little bit on the 3rd), then they should be aiming higher than yet another 2nd pair LD.

2nd pairing defensemen carry more value than 2nd line wingers. Not to mention a 2nd pairing D is pretty damn valuable to a team that only has two top-4 defenders on their roster right now.

 

[Avery16]

I feel like this one or those quotes people get pissed about when I bring back up six months later.

Please do. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. That goes for everyone and for anything I post, as long as its quoted accurately and with the appropriate context, which is rare.

 

[Kakko]

Unless it's got to do with hockey (doubtful), we're not getting into Tony DeAngelo's, or any other player's, politics

It seems to have subsided, and I can't be bothered to mass delete on my phone, but it's been consistently established for like a f***ing year now

 

[Edge]

Please do. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. That goes for everyone and for anything I post, as long as its quoted accurately and with the appropriate context, which is rare.

I honestly think it’s a real possibility. I’ll be interested to see how it plays out.

 

[Kendo]

2nd pairing defensemen carry more value than 2nd line wingers. Not to mention a 2nd pairing D is pretty damn valuable to a team that only has two top-4 defenders on their roster right now.

In general, yes. But if you are flush with 2nd LD, then yet another one carries less value than it would in a vacuum. By "aim higher," I mean adding a + and getting a 2nd RD.

 

[Trxjw]

Most likely yes. It's possible he hasn't made up his mind yet, but will let them know. It's also possible he has, and the team already knows, but they don't want it announced six months out --- for a variety of reasons.

I think that last possibility is pretty distinct.

Yeah I'm sure there's a very open dialogue between Hank and the front office no matter what. Though I'm not sure I can think of too many scenarios where it being widely known early on is a problem. Assuming of course it was formally announced and not leaked. I'm sure Lundqvist wants to be the one to let fans know.

 

[True Blue]

My only claim was that it does affect life. I never made a claim that different candidate's supporters were better or worse. Having people who believe one thing and voting for those interests obviously affects people negatively who don't value those same interests. They are competing views in a lot of different areas. Again, not making this political because this isnt the forum for that, I am just saying it obviously is something that affects the real world.

I guess we have a different view on what affects the world. There is no such thing as people believing things one way negatively affecting those who believe things a different way. How people believe and view the world is entirely up to them. And whether I agree or disagree with them should not make a difference either. In fact the more different the views, the better. That is how this country was founded and this is how debates are made. One views or the others make absolutely no difference in anyone's life. Still gotta get up, get dressed and go to work. And wait for friggin' trains to finally run on time. Nothing is changing that. If your life is so sensitive to other people's viewpoints that you need some sort of a safe space to cope, that is a "you" problem. And it does not affect the world, not one iota. The world, as it tends to do, simply goes on.

People still do legitimately believe the world is flat so how is it extreme? And I guess you would agree those people have wrong views right? So that contradicts your earlier statement.

Sure. When looking at such a world changing scenario, yes, they were wrong. Looking at what Trump, Sanders, Warren, et all are looking at, it does not measure to such a scenario. As such, it makes absolutely no difference as to who believes who.

But where I do agree is that it doesn't matter for the sake of building a hockey team.

Or where I have breakfast. Or my daughter's sweet 16 party. Or get my gas. Or any of the other million of things that happen every day.

 

[Trxjw]

In general, yes. But if you are flush with 2nd LD, then yet another one carries less value than it would in a vacuum. By "aim higher," I mean adding a + and getting a 2nd RD.

Sure, but Vegas isn't flush with 2nd LD. They have Theodore on the left and Schmidt who is a lefty who prefers the right side. They're lugging around McNabb and Hague, respectively, who aren't top-4 defensemen at this point.

 

[Avery16]

I honestly think it’s a real possibility. I’ll be interested to see how it plays out.

Why would he? Hank is still an elite goalie in this league. He will retire…someday. Maybe in two seasons. Maybe later. But he is a competitor not far removed from his prime, has no significant injury history. He will play, even if not as a starter, even if not here. The only way I see him retiring in the next couple seasons is (knock on wood) a horrible injury or disaster in his personal life, or a decision to end his career on top of the SHL, as Forsberg/Naslund/Sundstrom all opted to do.

 

[True Blue]

Before anything we need to know what Tony wants for a contract. North of 4.5 mill and he is outta here, they wont pay it.

I actually have come to disagree on that. Just my view. If he is becoming a 60 point defenseman at his age, he is worth more than that. I think that Gorton could increase it. How much is anyone's guess. Maybe a million? No idea.

And as McRanger pointed out, if Tony is a 60 point player, he is making more than $4.5. Even in arbitration. And as these players do not grow on trees, I cannot see Gorton shipping him out.