Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

[True Blue]

We can low ball him because he's still an RFA with arbritration rights. But we did give 4m to Namestnikov and SPOONER last year. So, while we will low-ball him, he's probably worth 4-5m on open market.

You can lowball him all you want, but if he is a 60 point player, he is making more than that in arbitration.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

You can lowball him all you want, but if he is a 60 point player, he is making more than that in arbitration.

Which he will get elsewhere. Our cap situation next year isn't much better than this year.

 

[Fireonk]

I guess we have a different view on what affects the world. There is no such thing as people believing things one way negatively affecting those who believe things a different way. How people believe and view the world is entirely up to them. And whether I agree or disagree with them should not make a difference either. In fact the more different the views, the better. That is how this country was founded and this is how debates are made. One views or the others make absolutely no difference in anyone's life. Still gotta get up, get dressed and go to work. And wait for friggin' trains to finally run on time. Nothing is changing that. If your life is so sensitive to other people's viewpoints that you need some sort of a safe space to cope, that is a "you" problem. And it does not affect the world, not one iota. The world, as it tends to do, simply goes on.

Sure. When looking at such a world changing scenario, yes, they were wrong. Looking at what Trump, Sanders, Warren, et all are looking at, it does not measure to such a scenario. As such, it makes absolutely no difference as to who believes who.

Or where I have breakfast. Or my daughter's sweet 16 party. Or get my gas. Or any of the other million of things that happen every day.

There are plenty of real world and historical instances of differing views negatively affecting others. Not sure why you think I am being sensitive, I have never claimed anything regarding any players political views and as I have said a few times now, it doesn't matter in the context of building and discussing a hockey team.

Flat Earth is a real present day believe by some people. It was an example of a distinctly incorrect view point for the people that still do believe in that somehow.

I am happy to take this convo to PM if you want to continue so we can stop with the thread derail.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

It's not an insignificant ask, but all they really need is a LHD to skate next to Trouba.

ADA-Fox as your defacto 2nd pair that plays a shit ton of minutes when you need to tie the game would be such a massive advantage for this team.

Fill in the bottom pair with whom ever proves themselves to be best suited for those spots internally.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Every time Henrik has discussed the rebuild and his commitment to the franchise he always says he'll be here for at least this contract and then floats the idea of possibly playing longer.

I don't see any realistic possibility of him retiring while on his current contract. Why would he? So the Rangers don't have to trade Georgiev? Maybe if he was having a horrible year, but he's not. Maybe if the team was trending downwards and seemed hopeless, but that's not the case either.

I think Hank hangs them up when he feels he can't be an effective NHL goalie anymore, not when he thinks it will help the front office keep a prospect.

Not for nothing but we've all seen the advanced stats showing Hank being a top 5-10 goalie this season, but even by plain old traditional SV% , at .910% he has a higher SV% than the following goalies who are all on better teams:

Marc-Andre Fleury (.908)
Phillip Grubauer (.909)
Corey Crawford (.906)
Carter Hart (.906)
John Gibson (.906)
Carey Price (.902) - yikes
Braden Holtby (.901)
Petr Mrazek (.901)
Devan Dubnyk (.898)
Matt Murray (.896)
Sergei Bobrovsky (.895) -yikes
Jonathan Quizk (.895)
Pekka Rinne (.894) !
Jusse Saros (.892)


Even Georgiev has a lower sv% (.909 so it's right there but still) and that's with 2 shutouts. He's pretty dang inconsistent.

Hank might not be what he once was but he's still good.

 

[True Blue]

Which he will get elsewhere. Our cap situation next year isn't much better than this year.

Not if both Kreider and Buchnevich are traded. Trade them both and you can sign both DeAngelo and Strome to long term deals.

And if not, then Gorton can take him to arbitration where he WILL get more than $4.5, but not any type of megadeal and then sign him long term the following year.

 

[True Blue]

I am happy to take this convo to PM if you want to continue so we can stop with the thread derail.

Agreed. Let's stop cluttering the thread with this.

 

[Edge]

Why would he? Hank is still an elite goalie in this league. He will retire…someday. Maybe in two seasons. Maybe later. But he is a competitor not far removed from his prime, has no significant injury history. He will play, even if not as a starter, even if not here. The only way I see him retiring in the next couple seasons is (knock on wood) a horrible injury or disaster in his personal life, or a decision to end his career on top of the SHL, as Forsberg/Naslund/Sundstrom all opted to do.

I think Lundqvist is competitive and he knows that he’s probably not a starter on every team in the league anymore. I suspect he might not have a desire to be start on the teams that would have him, and doesn’t particularly have a desire to go somewhere desirable just to be a backup.

At this point I would disagree with calling him elite, and even if we say he’s only 3 years removed from his prime, that’s a decent timeframe at this stage in his career.

He’s got young kids, loves NY, and has a diverse array of interests outside of hockey. I can definitely see where there might be a desire to leave while he’s still a semi-starter, rather than find himself having to go through the grind just to hang on as a backup for a team that is clearly entering a new era.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Not if both Kreider and Buchnevich are traded. Trade them both and you can sign both DeAngelo and Strome to long term deals.

And if not, then Gorton can take him to arbitration where he WILL get more than $4.5, but not any type of megadeal and then sign him long term the following year.

id trade Skjei to resign Kreider if I was Gorton. losing Kreider's speed will make this team look slow in my opinion

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not if both Kreider and Buchnevich are traded. Trade them both and you can sign both DeAngelo and Strome to long term deals.

And if not, then Gorton can take him to arbitration where he WILL get more than $4.5, but not any type of megadeal and then sign him long term the following year.

They can make space if they want to, it doesn't only have to be a kreider+buch thing.

I know you werent saying that it was, but just pointing it out.

 

[NYRangers0723]

id trade Skjei to resign Kreider if I was Gorton. losing Kreider's speed will make this team look slow in my opinion

Agreed. Tough to replace what he brings

 

[Avery16]

I think Lundqvist is competitive and he knows that he’s probably not a starter on every team in the league anymore. I suspect he might not have a desire to be start on the teams that would have him, and doesn’t particularly have a desire to go somewhere desirable just to be a backup.

At this point I would disagree with calling him elite, and even if we say he’s only 3 years removed from his prime, that’s a decent timeframe at this stage in his career.

He’s got young kids, loves NY, and has a diverse array of interests outside of hockey. I can definitely see where there might be a desire to leave while he’s still a semi-starter, rather than find himself having to go through the grind just to hang on as a backup for a team that is clearly entering a new era.

Anywhere, including here, that he's a backup he would play about 30+ games. I could see him being satisfied with playing 30+ games for a team that's competing for a Cup.

 

[bl02]

Just throwing stuff out there would you guys prefer Labanc or Kapanen in a possible deal for Georgiev? I know Labanc probably more exciting but Kapanen is on a pretty good contract

 

[RGY]

What if they're trading for his signing rights

I dont know I dont think that makes sense for them. I think the Sharks are not far off from the Ducks. An aging team that missed their window to win and is trying to hang on which is only hurting them more. They have some really tough contracts on the back end that are going to sting in the next 3 years imo.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Just throwing stuff out there would you guys prefer Labanc or Kapanen in a possible deal for Georgiev? I know Labanc probably more exciting but Kapanen is on a pretty good contract

Labanc


Kyle Clifford to NYR for Boo Nieves and 2ed in 2021???? Rangers should improve their 4th line in my opinion

 

[Fitzy]

The way to improve the 4th line is to improve the first second and third so that lemieux and fast are back to being full time 4th liners.

 

[Lion Hound]

Labanc


Kyle Clifford to NYR for Boo Nieves and 2ed in 2021???? Rangers should improve their 4th line in my opinion

Lebanc was moved to SJ's top line tonight. Will play with Kane and Hertl. He's also on the Sharks top PP unit.

 

[Edge]

Anywhere, including here, that he's a backup he would play about 30+ games. I could see him being satisfied with playing 30+ games for a team that's competing for a Cup.

And on that point, I’m not too sure. Especially when speculating about his potential interest to play for those teams.

 

[Fitzy]

You can lowball him all you want, but if he is a 60 point player, he is making more than that in arbitration.

My major concern is that Adas point production will mask just how awful he is defensively in contract negotiations.

It's one of the reasons why I think he's an ideal trade chip if the team looking at his thinks he's a first pairing guy like Washington thought shattenkirk was.

 

[QJL]

It's not an insignificant ask, but all they really need is a LHD to skate next to Trouba.

ADA-Fox as your defacto 2nd pair that plays a **** ton of minutes when you need to tie the game would be such a massive advantage for this team.

Fill in the bottom pair with whom ever proves themselves to be best suited for those spots internally.

Is much rather ADA-Lundkvist when Nils is ready. ADA’s style is going to limit Fox’s bandwidth to be an offensive force in most situations. Sure, having them both on the ice when the Rangers need to score is a fantastic option, but it’s not a good personnel decision for most situations.

Skjei - Trouba
DeAngelo - Lundkvist
Miller/Lindgren - Fox

 

[egelband]

I'm all for moving Skjei if the offer is right but going into next year with a bunch of guys who are in their 2/3 seasons and Staal on the left doesn't seem like a recipe for success

Yeah. I think Skjei - like many defensemen - is still developing. Slower than we want but I see progress.

 

[egelband]

I wonder if the Rangers would consider taking back someone like McNabb along with Tuch for Skjei. He’d be a unique type of player and a solid depth LD. Big guy who likes to hit. May be a good partner for someone like Fox or ADA

Trade Skjei and keep Kreider, maybe?

 

[SA16]

Skjei, Buchnevich, and everyone else on the team has nothing to do with Kreider. The reasons to not extend Kreider are because of worries about how he will age not a lack of space.

 

[egelband]

Give us names of people you would rather have coaching the defense and tell us what you would want to see them implement in place of what Ruff is doing. People tend to just blame everything on Ruff and not on the fact that our defense's ability is low

This is basically what I’m thinking every time I read a “Ruff sucks” post. Maybe he does, but no one ever qualifies the assertion.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Skjei, Buchnevich, and everyone else on the team has nothing to do with Kreider. The reasons to not extend Kreider are because of worries about how he will age not a lack of space.

That's how the Rangers should view it.