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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

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Edge said:
3. Lundqvist retires at the end of the year. Which I think it a possibility, though I don't know what odds I'd give it.
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I honestly think Henrik as backup for the next couple years is ideal. I like Georgiev but all-in-all I’m confident Henrik is a perfect guy to pair with Igor. And Georgiev might bring back a decent return, even if only as a sweetener in a bigger deal. A Georgiev-Igor tandem is nice too. But I think it’s hard to project more than a couple years forward in hockey and Henrik fits that window. And in a couple years that potential Igor-Georgiev tandem is probably making close to $10m combined. Whereas Henrik might take less for a year after the current deal expires and then one of the goalies in the pipeline takes over the backup role. Seems more sensible cap wise.
 
Edge said:
But that’s not applicable.

One of Jost’s calling cards was his skating and hands - it’s the IQ that people question.

And for every guy you mentioned that didn’t pan out, you can find guys with similar “knocks” who did. So I don’t think there telltale traits to avoid.

I think it only becomes an issue when it’s someone out board doesn’t like, or when it doesn’t pan out.

It’s why Darren Olver’s name came out when this board didn’t like a pick, and why Derek Stepan’s didn’t. Both guys started at remarkably similar places when they were drafted.
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What I'm getting at, is telltale signs that are a must have, and not to look past them when a kid is touted as a high character guy. If I recall, teams were enamored with Jost as a future captain. To me, with the way the game is now, you need to draft guys that have the following.

Skating Ability
Hockey IQ
Athleticism
Skill

There are various degrees of the above four criteria that a guy will fall under, but if you have a lesser skilled guy who can wheel it, and is a great athlete who can process the game.... that's potentially a very good bottom unit player.

If you have a monster athlete who hasn't put it together at 18... well the upside may be down the line... but those guys might be better pros than junior players.

Is character important, absolutely.

But like with any other professions, management can get enamored by a great interview, and how a candidate comes across with a lower tier job.... but if they don't have the skills or abilities for the next level, are they a good hire? In other words, does the impression outweigh a set of criteria for a better yield?
 
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GAGLine said:
Spooner made 2.85 mil the year before, so it was only a 1.15 mil raise. Names made 1.975 mil the year before, a 2.075 mil raise.

If ADA gets 3.5, that's a 2.5 mil raise. Yeah, you can say we low balled him last year, but he was coming off a year in which he was a healthy scratch several times. He's showing this year that he can be more consistent and do the things the coach has asked him to do. That will result in a better contract, but maybe not a 5 mil per year contract.
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ADA being a 60-point RD gets a much more lucrative contract than your comparables. On a long term deal that include arbitration and beyond RFA years $5m would be a bargain for the Rangers.
 
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Mikos87 said:
What I'm getting at, is telltale signs that are a must have, and not to look past them when a kid is touted as a high character guy. If I recall, teams were enamored with Jost as a future captain. To me, with the way the game is now, you need to draft guys that have the following.

Skating Ability
Hockey IQ
Athleticism
Skill

There are various degrees of the above four criteria that a guy will fall under, but if you have a lesser skilled guy who can wheel it, and is a great athlete who can process the game.... that's potentially a very good bottom unit player.

If you have a monster athlete who hasn't put it together at 18... well the upside may be down the line... but those guys might be better pros than junior players.

Is character important, absolutely.

But like with any other professions, management can get enamored by a great interview, and how a candidate comes across with a lower tier job.... but if they don't have the skills or abilities for the next level, are they a good hire? In other words, does the impression outweigh a set of criteria for a better yield?
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To that last question, I harken back to a conversation from last year. There was a discussion about interviews and their impact. I don’t know if anyone has ever played themselves into a draft slot with their interview, but I think guys have played themselves out of draft slots.

But I think the Rangers have a mix. Yes they took Andersson, but they also took Chytil. They took Robertson, but they also took Jones. They took Kravtsov, Miller and Lundkvist, all of whom are demonstrating the sometimes high anxiety that goes with guys who are skilled but raw.

I think there’s this mindset that we’re passing on skill to get character, and I don’t know if that’s the case. I think we tend to selectively remember the skill guys who pan out, and forget the ones we wanted, but bombed.

Overall, despite the concerns about character, we actually gambled on raw skill far more often than “safe” character over the last 7 or so years - Duclair, Buchnevich, Chytil, Miller, Day, etc. But I think we have the mindset that somehow all we’ve been targeting is character guys.
 
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Edge said:
Sorry was referring to a different Bob report then.

He talked about Kreider recently, tied him to Pittsburgh again. Custance had some add on comments. I think some writes ups are floating around online, though they seem to have taken excerpts.
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Pittsburgh really does not interest me.
 
Edge said:
Sorry was referring to a different Bob report then.

He talked about Kreider recently, tied him to Pittsburgh again. Custance had some add on comments. I think some writes ups are floating around online, though they seem to have taken excerpts.
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He linked them to Kreider again in that clip as well, but moreso in passing.

I'm with you though. Pittsburgh isn't particularly high on my list.
 
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They took Kravtsov, Miller and Lundkvist, all of whom are demonstrating the sometimes high anxiety that goes with guys who are skilled but raw.
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With all due respect, Lundkvist might be the most poised prospect in the world right now. I see no anxiety in his game. Calm, cool, and collected every time I’ve watched him.
 
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QJL said:
With all due respect, Lundkvist might be the most poised prospect in the world right now. I see no anxiety in his game. Calm, cool, and collected every time I’ve watched him.
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Now, yes.

Last year? People are worried that he’s not getting ice time, he’s playing as a forward, he needs time to get stronger, he’s getting overpowered, etc. etc.

But that highlights another point. When a player works out, people almost forget what it was they were stressing about it.

At least until that player has a hiccup or hits a wall. Then there’s a whole new round...
 
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SA16 said:
They’re winning 5-3 why do they need to add sandpaper?
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Leading 5-3 against the Devils is not a barometer for success or that you dont still have holes. Sandpaper may be too strong of a word for what this team needs but I think @bobbop has the right thinking. They need some more grit, work horses, etc in that depth. While still being competent hockey players.
 
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haohmaru said:
NEED TO TRADE ADA ****TONIGHT****

Value never higher!!!

You crazy HF'ers. ;)
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his value keeps rising and it may make more sense to extend him. Mentioned it before (might be crazy) but maybe move Trouba before his full NTC kicks in (big maybe)
 
QJL said:
With all due respect, Lundkvist might be the most poised prospect in the world right now. I see no anxiety in his game. Calm, cool, and collected every time I’ve watched him.
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he looked similar to Fox in the prospect camp. A bit thinner though
 
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