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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXI - Let's make a deal

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NYSPORTS said:
his value keeps rising and it may make more sense to extend him. Mentioned it before (might be crazy) but maybe move Trouba before his full NTC kicks in (big maybe)
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A big reason for why TDA is performing so well is because he does not have to play those tough shut-down minutes.

TDA is a lost cause after we bridged him, its too bad that Gorton is so incompetent with these things. In 4-5 years, maybe the media in NY will wake up and start to question Gorton's obsession with bridge-deals.
 
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Sorry, but bridge deals with young players who haven't proven anything is the only smart thing to. For every DeAngelo you can get 5 players who get big deals early and aren't worth it. Skjei being one.
 
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usekakkorightquinn said:
Sorry, but bridge deals with young players who haven't proven anything is the only smart thing to. For every DeAngelo you can get 5 players who get big deals early and aren't worth it. Skjei being one.
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Would say, even if Skjei is a bit of a disapointment, his contract is fair for a middle pairing d-man.
 
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usekakkorightquinn said:
Sorry, but bridge deals with young players who haven't proven anything is the only smart thing to. For every DeAngelo you can get 5 players who get big deals early and aren't worth it. Skjei being one.
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The GM must be able to make that call. You say that Skjei isn't worth his deal, but I am sure we easily could trade him with that contract whenever we wanted. If we didn't pay him when we did Skjei is a UFA in 2 years, and would definitely get paid more. We would have saved a tiny sum last and this year, and then been forced (i) to pay him a lot more, at the worst time since it would have been a contract that went long into his 30s, (ii) deal him for cents on the dollar as a rental or (iii) let him walk for nothing. Instead we signed him to a fair deal form age 24-30.

The young kids with the worst contracts can always be traded. Look at Nikita Zaitsev. Look at Nick Bjugstad.

I am just a fan and TDA's performance is hardly a surprise for me. Imagine if he was on a 6 year 4m contract. Two more years without NMC/NTCs. We could have traded him to anyone, even the least attractive teams could have obtained a player that was under control for 5 more years. Really, there is no limit to how valuable he would have been had Gorton made the right call. He had zero leverage last summer, a so-so reputation. And while he didn't get credit for it, he played a lot of really good hockey.

And we could easily have afforded it had we bought out Smith.
 
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I think we're seeing who the team clearly needs to keep.
ADA is a no-brainer.
Strome, IMO, if he takes around $5m per season, is a no-brainer.

That leaves Kreider, possibly Buch, and Skjei as most likely on the outside looking in and potential pieces they can use to fill other holes or back-fill with younger, cheaper alternatives.
 
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Count me as someone that has no problem trading Strome if it means giving DeAngelo a long term deal

Although I’m not entirely convinced that’s what DeAngelo wants
TheBloodyNine said:
Rangers beat Devils 6-3, have a D-man with a hat trick

Larry Brooks Article: LOL RANGERS CAP ****ED LOLLLL
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Well he only thinks the cap is going to be an issue because he wants to keep everyone

Including Kreider

Once you get past the fact that Kreider will not be on this team in the next 5-6 weeks, things are a little easier to navigate
 
There is no reason to roll the dice on a young player becoming a very good to great player unless you are talking about players who are considered franchise types. Rangers gave Zibanejad his contract after he had proven some things. Gorton rushed it on Skjei and it was stupid. Though, Skjei plays a lot better than most here give him credit for. DeAngelo very well might move to the left side. One of the few things Brooks got right the past 10 years. However, the Rangers will have no cap issues. I would suspect if they move Georgiev they will insist on a team taking either Staal or Smith in the deal. If Staal has any clue he should know he's not going to play here over Lindgren, Skjei and Hajek. I would be stunned if Buchnevich is still here after the deadline. Either way, via trade or buyout, no way Smith and Staal are on this team next year. Hank is off the books after next season. I said all along DeAngelo was going to be dealt. He's doing his best to not make that happen. In order to have 3, 5'11 defenseman on the team in DeAngelo, Fox and Lundkvist, the team would have to be big, tough, defensively skilled on the 3rd and 4th lines with some offense. Right now our 4th line freaking sucks.

Hearing one of the teams interested in Georgiev was Calgary. First I thought about Dube. Then I thought make them take Smith, Georgiev for Jankowski, Bennett and a 1st. Jankowski has 1 point this year and Bennett has 6. I have no idea what happened to either guy. Both were good role players before this season. Bennett hits a ton. He's tough. Jankowski with his size can be a plus faceoff guy. IMO, our lack of lower line scoring has cost this team at least 7 to 12 games. While those 2 guys haven't scored for crap this season, their previous two years said they should be good for 25 to 30 points depending if they can get 12 minutes of icetime. A 4th line of Howden-Jankowski-Bennett is light years better than the crap we use now. I also see no problem getting a first for Georgiev. This is not Raanta or Talbot. This kid is 23 and from all reports there is a bidding war for him.
 
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Oscar Lindberg said:
Count me as someone that has no problem trading Strome if it means giving DeAngelo a long term deal

Although I’m not entirely convinced that’s what DeAngelo wants
Well he only thinks the cap is going to be an issue because he wants to keep everyone

Including Kreider

Once you get past the fact that Kreider will not be on this team in the next 5-6 weeks, things are a little easier to navigate
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My point was more about how any chance he gets to cut down the Rangers for anything he'll take it. Guy is a Devil's fan through and through.
 
NYR Viper said:
I think we're seeing who the team clearly needs to keep.
ADA is a no-brainer.
Strome, IMO, if he takes around $5m per season, is a no-brainer.

That leaves Kreider, possibly Buch, and Skjei as most likely on the outside looking in and potential pieces they can use to fill other holes or back-fill with younger, cheaper alternatives.
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I know folks have mentioned Strome in the Dupuis/Kunitz arena. At $5 mil for the rest of his 'prime' you have to consider that. As the kids grow you bump him down and the cap goes up, or you trade him where he likely fails miserably wherever he goes as Bread is the air he breathes.
 
Fitzy said:
My major concern is that Adas point production will mask just how awful he is defensively in contract negotiations.
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It is true that his defensive play is still wanting, but that can be mitigated with the proper partner. I would honestly have no problem with Trouba, DeAgelo, Fox and 3 Lindgrens.

Point being is that when it comes to what he is doing offensively, you learn to live with the defensive warts.
 
Ola said:
Good article by Brooks. But he forgot one task for Gorton/Davidson -- is Chris Drury a guy capable of being GM of HFD? I very much question that. It also seems like there are some real filters in place between what goes on down there and what reaches Gorton's ears. That is typically incompetent management. If I don't pass on info to my boss it has never happened.
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I hope you’re wrong. I appreciate the “tough love” approach but this is not 1980. We’re seeing that sometimes something different is needed.
 
RGY said:
Sandpaper may be too strong of a word for what this team needs but I think @bobbop has the right thinking. They need some more grit, work horses, etc in that depth. While still being competent hockey players.
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It is not that strong a word. The team does need to change the make up of the team. There does need to be a good mix of size, speed,sandpaper & grit.

The TDL & off-season are very big for the management of this team. Then need to start to get a much better idea of who is in the family photo for the foreseeable future and who is not. And how to begin to construct the longer term roster, knowing what is needed to augment it
 
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Ola said:
A big reason for why TDA is performing so well is because he does not have to play those tough shut-down minutes.

TDA is a lost cause after we bridged him, its too bad that Gorton is so incompetent with these things. In 4-5 years, maybe the media in NY will wake up and start to question Gorton's obsession with bridge-deals.
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Well, that Staal and Hank contract keep lingering along with these buyout dollars. That hurts. As far as Tony D, we all have read about these maturity issues. Quinn mentioned they were in a bad place a short two months ago. So has Tony D matured or on his best behavior? Maybe not fair to put him in the same sentence as an Odell Beckham yet you never know if good behavior is a bridge between immaturity.

A few of us said it a year ago, this cap could get tricky. Oddly, so many attacked the idea. Well, here we are.

as far as “tough shut down minutes”, well, looking at these shots against it doesn’t appear anybody is shutting down anybody. That’s alarming across the board. Meanwhile, once teams start playing playoff hockey (defense) we’ll likely see these crazy cross ice passes shut down.

should be another wild trade deadline.
 
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Trxjw said:
If ADA is really completely comfortable on the left, that's a potential game-changer for this team. I do recall him playing on the left with Sarnia but didn't realize it was exclusively that side.
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IF (BIG IF), that is the case. I am a bit leery that this idea is from a Brooks article which is based on what DeAngelo did in one year of juniors. That is quite a bit of time ago. He has been playing on the right side for quite a while. I do not think they can move forward with that as a pocket ace. Something tells me that will not be as easy as it is to write words and if we think that his play on the right side is defensively deficient, wait until he has to play on his off side.
 
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