Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)
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Boris Zubov
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All Drury needs to do is look in the mirror. He kept Trouba here past his expiration date in the summer & it tanked the 1st half of the season.
Oscar Lindberg
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Carolina is cheap as shit I have my doubts their owner is gonna pay Rantanen 14 million a year
Rantanen will be just fine and Carolina’s cap sheet is immaculate. They’re going to have a shit load of cap space next year. Scary for the Rangers.
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He navigated the Trouba situation better than a majority of GMs would have. Knock him for other stuff all you want
JimmyG89
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Necas is a direct Rantanen replacement. I think Colorado made out great in this deal. I think getting him away from the Canes system will do him wonders.
Necas isn't going to get more than 9M on any deal going forward. They can afford him.
I think this also means Crosby is their target. They've been looking to get a 2C behind Mackinnon since Kadri. This would be their best chance at a cup for the next 3 seasons.
Ball is back in the Rangers court. There is only one suitor for Miller. They do not need to give up anything significant. Yes Miller is a very good player, but he's hellbent on one destination.
Necas isn't going to get more than 9M on any deal going forward. They can afford him.
I think this also means Crosby is their target. They've been looking to get a 2C behind Mackinnon since Kadri. This would be their best chance at a cup for the next 3 seasons.
Ball is back in the Rangers court. There is only one suitor for Miller. They do not need to give up anything significant. Yes Miller is a very good player, but he's hellbent on one destination.
I wouldn't be too sure.
They've been hanging around as a fringe contender to a legitimate one for a while now. These runs don't last forever and the defense is getting pretty old. Their owner notoriously doesn't like to spend big money and Rantanen is about to cash in big time and he's going to have a massive market of interested parties.
I actually respect the swing even if they don't sign him - It's a very bold move and you're replacing a guy who has had trouble producing when it matters with a guy who has done nothing but produce when it matters. They should have been taking these types of swings 3 years ago.
agreed - I think theyre going to make a massive push for Crosby. On a separate note, NHL needs more of these blockbusters
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A knife cuts both ways on that - it makes the selling team petty as f***. We saw it with Nash over the course of multiple years in Columus. I think we very well may see it here again in Vancouver. Tell tale signs of reports that the Vancouver owner stepped in to be directly involved with calling off the first trade talks that got close.
Carolina is one of a handful of places in the NHL where I'd say there is a only a 50/50 shot Rantenan is re-signed there. Most teams make this trade and I'd say it is a 95% chance that team commits and re-signs him.
HockeyBasedNYC
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It’s weird picturing Crosby in any other jersey but the Avs is just… odd. Like when Bourque went there
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Are we talking about the same Necas and Rantanen? Necas is having a career best half of a season so far but he can't hold Rantanen's jock strap. He's never had a full point per game season. Rantanen has 8 straight. Multiple 100 point seasons. 50+ goals.
It's not a bad return for a guy unwilling to sign long term but there's no way someone can sit here and say he's a direct replacement.
Rantanen is a lefty and was deadly on the right circle on the PP with MacKinnon and Makar in their umbrella. Now Necas is yet another righty in that trio. It's going to be a big tactical adjustment from what they're used to playing with Rantanen.
Boris Zubov
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I wasn't knocking him, all I was saying is that Drury didn't need to look outside when he had his own learning experience much closer to home.
Yes I would agree he handled the final act of the Trouba saga really well. To his credit he must've realized he screwed up & went about fixing his own mistake sooner than later. However, whether you like it or not, keeping him around to start the season was a big reason the first half of the season went into the crapper. Not only was there bad vibes from the trade rumors, but the real issue is that Tuba sucks at hockey.
KirkAlbuquerque
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I’d trade him for Drew Miller at this point
Boris Zubov
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He does go to a lot of raves. Have someone pass him a red solo cup.
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Apparently the canes had 2 offers on the table with Vancouver before deciding to go with the Rantanen deal.
Canucks are going to end up sending Miller along with a 1st.
Canucks are going to end up sending Miller along with a 1st.
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Chytil, KAM, Chmelar for JT + 1st top 5 protected
Marcus Pettersson for Garand + 4th
Zib gone in offseason in Trouba like deal
Sam Bennett signed as 3C
I see the vision
Necas wanted out of Carolina. He was two years away from group III. Necas signed a two year contract taking him up to free agency. Carolina knew that the player was not staying there. I read Drury also had requested a trade. See we are not the only team in the league with unhappy players.
Colorado realized Rantanen was serious about $14M or nothing. I read Rantanen is repped by the same agency as Draisaitl. Colorado traded him. I read some teams were shocked. I guess Avs didn't shop the player. They knew what they wanted. Both teams had discussions about this deal in the summer but the Avs wanted to take a wait and see approach. The Avs could probably look at extending Necas this summer. They did not trade Rantanen for a package of futures.
I wish the Rangers could make these trades. Not the usual we will wait until the player declines or is a few months away from walking out of the door and we will keep him as our rental.
I despise the idea of Miller because it's another 32 year old player on a team full of 30 plus year old forwards. It's not like the Rangers are a young team and they need another veteran player in their mix. Drury would be doubling down on this core group committing to the same sensitive dickheads who take everything so personally. It's a business guys and that's what the money is for.
Colorado realized Rantanen was serious about $14M or nothing. I read Rantanen is repped by the same agency as Draisaitl. Colorado traded him. I read some teams were shocked. I guess Avs didn't shop the player. They knew what they wanted. Both teams had discussions about this deal in the summer but the Avs wanted to take a wait and see approach. The Avs could probably look at extending Necas this summer. They did not trade Rantanen for a package of futures.
I wish the Rangers could make these trades. Not the usual we will wait until the player declines or is a few months away from walking out of the door and we will keep him as our rental.
I despise the idea of Miller because it's another 32 year old player on a team full of 30 plus year old forwards. It's not like the Rangers are a young team and they need another veteran player in their mix. Drury would be doubling down on this core group committing to the same sensitive dickheads who take everything so personally. It's a business guys and that's what the money is for.
I may be missing something as I have a lot going on, but my focus imo is more fundamental than Mika is sq 1.
Rs either are or are not trying to deal him, yes?
If no which is inexplicable, that is something else.
If yes, then ONLY way he does not go to VAN is either
- Van wants but he refuses to waive
OR
- Van does not want period, so him waiving is moot
OR
- Van conditionally wants, just not 1:1 for Zib, perhaps like 2 separate trades in the same package
That would be this earth where
-- they keep Kreider at least for now b'c moving now = selling short on top of otherwise being stupid
AND
-- they recognize a good profit on bread opens the window and slightly reverses some of the abject stupidity of dealing youth for vets-> rentals
one could argue adding jtm for cheap spare parts = more not less basis to move bread
I have thought of this
It could make sense if EP + were immediately flipped for Dobson +
We should have zero love for Mika pulling the shit he pulled, selfishly, and w'o good cause, and I would be happy enuf to eat half and get bupkis in return just to be rid of his sorry ass and eliminate mathematical possibility of repeat performance or similar issues from him in the future
forget the pot
get me some primo vintage Demi Moore!
2 out of 3 ain't bad
sorry no
- too much paid unnecessarily for jtm
- moving Garand before he establishes high value playing in NHL is foolish
- zib move asap so now if possible
Bennett we can discuss post season
egelband
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I was as tired of Mika’s ineffectiveness as anyone but I don’t believe he was pulling any shit. Loss of focus and confidence for sure - and it goes back into last season. But he seems to have gotten at least part of hits mojo back and I’m happy for him.
Would love if he stopped treating his stick like a weapon of mass destruction, though.
Would love if he stopped treating his stick like a weapon of mass destruction, though.
McRanger92
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Do you? I don’t think the reaction would be positive if the Rangers trade 2 young centers under team control for 2 UFA wingers. Just going off past experience
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It’s a 32 year old with time on the contract at $8MM. I don’t see how it’s even a conversation.
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