Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[bhamill]

Rantanen, for my money, is twice the player Panarin is, but nonetheless he’s a UFA who needs a massive extension - possibly the richest for any winger ever. Watch this return for a rental and tell me we shouldn’t retain 50% on Panarin and trade him while he still has a year left. They’re 3 years apart, Bread has an extra year on his deal - which at 50% is an absurd bargain - and while not, IMO nearly as good, has produced just as well the last few years. We should move him. We won’t because we are stupid and for zero other reason.

Pan’s NMC just might be another reason…

 

[Fitzy]

Rantanen is going to be 29 to start next season (pretty much, birthday in October). His next deal, especially if he stays with the Hurricanes, is going to be 8 years. That deal will take him to 36. Miller is 31 and has 5 years left on his deal after this one in which he turns 32. That deal will take him to 37. There’s an argument to be made that Miller at $8m for 5 more years may be a more prudent acquisition as compared to Rantanen for 8 more years at $14m.

It all comes down to the cost to acquire.

I'm not necessarily for getting Miller, but he also plays a more important position, and partners well with what we have at center already.

Trocheck is out there doing all the dirty work and PKing, so as long as he sticks here, the two balance each other out well.

 

[bhamill]

Pottery class? Dude, you're kiln me.

Perfect!

 

[noncents]

What's the Rangers' motivation to get the miller deal done this year in-season? Van ostensibly wants to move him asap to clear the air, but why are we chomping at the bit to get him here? For a run this year? Because we currently have cap space that gets eaten up next year? garden-variety impatience in the age of convenience?

If we're acquiring him, it's a longer term thing, and Id rather not put pressure on our capsheet. Also i think we could add Crosby and still lose with Lindgren as our 1LD.


what does this defense look like? we have 2 guys signed for next year at 10.7 combined in Fox and Schneider.

this board wants to trade miller, wants to move schneider to LD, wants to sign Borgen even though our only young D prospect is also RH in Mancini. We'd like to acquire Pettersson, Gavrikov, Provorov, or Walman, all of whom would require serious assets be moved and potentially prevent further acquisitions up front.

What's the long term plan with this defense? It's been f***ing bungled horribly. Lindgren should have been moved 2 summers ago when most of us saw the writing on the wall. Trouba obviously was kept past due date and it might've tanked this season.

Miller will not cost less than 5. Borgen won't cost less than 4. Jones and Lindgren are out. It's going to be extremely expensive unless we can leverage our older veteran wings to get a Bichsel or something. Frankly, that's highly unlikely. Miko Rantanen couldn't even get Nikishin or Morrow.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Crosby available?

What do I personally have to do to send Mika and Kreider to Pitt for Crosby and Petterson?

They still owe us for the Kovalev/Zubov gift.

You dont want to know

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Do you? I don’t think the reaction would be positive if the Rangers trade 2 young centers under team control for 2 UFA wingers. Just going off past experience

He wishes the Rangers could make it from Colorado’s perspective

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Nuts on the table trade for Carolina. They win the cup and/or Rantanen resigns, they win the trade. No cup and he walks, massive L. Maybe they think he'll take a discount to play with Aho. Their cap is good so they could give him the 14 he wants. Time will tell but I like it for both teams. Colorado just got a huge return for a guy they couldnt resign. Carolina finally went all in and got a premiere scorer which has been their Achilles heal in the playoffs.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Nuts on the table trade for Carolina. They win the cup and/or Rantanen resigns, they win the trade. No cup and he walks, massive L. Maybe they think he'll take a discount to play with Aho. Their cap is good so they could give him the 14 he wants. Time will tell but I like it for both teams. Colorado just got a huge return for a guy they could resign. Carolina finally went all in and got a premiere scorer which has been their Achilles heal in the playoffs.

The X-factor is their cheapskate owner. Can't see him ponying up $14M annually for 8 seasons.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I have no interest in Rantanen , and Panarin is better

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

The X-factor is their cheapskate owner. Can't see him ponying up $14M annually for 8 seasons.

Yeah that makes the trade more interesting. It would seem futile for them if they can't resign him, especially if they can't win it all this year. I don't see Rantanen taking a discount.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Nuts on the table trade for Carolina. They win the cup and/or Rantanen resigns, they win the trade. No cup and he walks, massive L. Maybe they think he'll take a discount to play with Aho. Their cap is good so they could give him the 14 he wants. Time will tell but I like it for both teams. Colorado just got a huge return for a guy they could resign. Carolina finally went all in and got a premiere scorer which has been their Achilles heal in the playoffs.

Idk, 14 million a year for Rantanen without Nate Dog carrying him is sus. Avs fans hsve been ragging on him for a while despite multiple 50/100 seasons

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Kinda hope Drury stands pat to see how things shake out closer to the deadline. Not big on acquiring Miller and if the arms race in the East heats up after the Rantanen deal, even less interested.

 

[noncents]

Idk, 14 million a year for Rantanen without Nate Dog carrying him is sus. Avs fans hsve been ragging on him for a while despite multiple 50/100 seasons

lotta guys said Guentzel would go quiet without Crosby.

Kinda hope Drury stands pat to see how things shake out closer to the deadline. Not big on acquiring Miller and if the arms race in the East heats up after the Rantanen deal, even less interested.

i still hope he sells.

 

[duhmetreE]

Rantanen is going to be 29 to start next season (pretty much, birthday in October). His next deal, especially if he stays with the Hurricanes, is going to be 8 years. That deal will take him to 36. Miller is 31 and has 5 years left on his deal after this one in which he turns 32. That deal will take him to 37. There’s an argument to be made that Miller at $8m for 5 more years may be a more prudent acquisition as compared to Rantanen for 8 more years at $14m.

It all comes down to the cost to acquire.

Chytil is a wild card. If he's healthy, he can be a difference maker. I'd hope there's a way to get a deal done without involving him but they would more than likely want a Center back.... Mika swap would be perfect but there's too many barriers there. Is Raty ready to step up for them as a middle6c?

Ideally we add JTM and keep Chytil. Maybe get a 3rd team involved which could provide that Center to Vancouver and we could just use futures/prospects.

 

[17futurecap]

The big one

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

lotta guys said Guentzel would go quiet without Crosby.


i still hope he sells.

That's my preference. Sell the movable pieces in Lindgren, Kreider, Smith, maybe Borgen if you can get a good return. Address Mika in the offseason, see if you can get KAM at a reasonable number and trade him if not.

 

[RangerBoy]

Do you? I don’t think the reaction would be positive if the Rangers trade 2 young centers under team control for 2 UFA wingers. Just going off past experience

I like the deal from the Avs end. Rantanen wanted too much money. I like Necas very much. Colorado can extend Necas at number less than $14M. The Rangers will be in the Avs position soon. Panarin has one more season remaining on his contract. What is the plan here? Re-sign him. Keep and allow him to leave next summer. Trade. Those are the options. I would trade one year remaining on Panarin's contract for a player with more term or someone we can re-sign at a lower number. I have zero interest in extending Panarin and would rather trade him. That is my point. Whenever someone discusses trading a player, you always write the Rangers aren’t rebuilding. The Avs aren't rebuilding by trading Rantanen. I don't want the Rangers to become the Bruins who need a major rebuild. They tried the free agent route with Lindholm and Zadorov to keep the team competitive. Both of them have sucked.

 

[rangers1314]

The big one

Big action

 

[haohmaru]

And turns 32 in less than 2 months. He's actually a month older than Mika.

Which means he's 31, not 32, like I said.

 

[duhmetreE]

To NYR
JTM
Walman

To VAN
Granlund
Mancini
2026 NYR 1st
Jones/Lindgren

To SJS
2025 NYR 1st
Lindgren/Jones
Sykora
Othmann

that's going for broke.... rough estimate 3 way... more might need to be added

 

[McRanger92]

I like the deal from the Avs end. Rantanen wanted too much money. I like Necas very much. Colorado can extend Necas at number less than $14M. The Rangers will be in the Avs position soon. Panarin has one more season remaining on his contract. What is the plan here? Re-sign him. Keep and allow him to leave next summer. Trade. Those are the options. I would trade one year remaining on Panarin's contract for a player with more term or someone we can re-sign at a lower number. I have zero interest in extending Panarin and would rather trade him. That is my point. Whenever someone discusses trading a player, you always write the Rangers aren’t rebuilding. The Avs aren't rebuilding by trading Rantanen. I don't want the Rangers to become the Bruins who need a major rebuild. They tried the free agent route with Lindholm and Zadorov to keep the team competitive. Both of them have sucked.

Panarin with 1.5 a years ;eft and an NMC is a harder to trade to make than Rantanen, who every team wouldve been in one. I think they explore a Panarin trade this summer and next season depending on how the year goes. I think moving on from Panarin is best from the Rangers perspective.

 

[RangerBoy]

I'm reasonably certain he was looking at those deals in the opposite direction, suggesting we should trade a guy like Panarin for younger NHL players.

Thank you. Some people are playing chess while other people are still playing checkers. Colorado got Necas who should be dynamite with Colorado and away from Carolina's shooting the puck from every direction. They will allow him to carry the puck and make plays. Buy Necas futures. I like Drury too. The Avs got a 2nd and 4th in the deal. The Avs will move those picks for an NHL player.

Rantanen is a clown. He was upset at the trade. What did he expect? The Avs didn't want to pay him $14M. They need to run their team.

 

[Bruner4329]

Carolina finally went all in and got a premiere scorer which has been their Achilles heal in the playoffs.

Funny, to me the achillies heel has been the goal tending. We have beaten them because Igor is better than any goalie they have had.

 

[RangerBoy]

Panarin with 1.5 a years ;eft and an NMC is a harder to trade to make than Rantanen, who every team wouldve been in one. I think they explore a Panarin trade this summer and next season depending on how the year goes. I think moving on from Panarin is best from the Rangers perspective.

Panarin needs to go. The Rangers would be fools to extend him. Kreider needs to go.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I like the deal from the Avs end. Rantanen wanted too much money. I like Necas very much. Colorado can extend Necas at number less than $14M. The Rangers will be in the Avs position soon. Panarin has one more season remaining on his contract. What is the plan here? Re-sign him. Keep and allow him to leave next summer. Trade. Those are the options. I would trade one year remaining on Panarin's contract for a player with more term or someone we can re-sign at a lower number. I have zero interest in extending Panarin and would rather trade him. That is my point. Whenever someone discusses trading a player, you always write the Rangers aren’t rebuilding. The Avs aren't rebuilding by trading Rantanen. I don't want the Rangers to become the Bruins who need a major rebuild. They tried the free agent route with Lindholm and Zadorov to keep the team competitive. Both of them have sucked.

Couldn’t agree more. That’s why the rangers would still be prudent to look to sell off their rentals and even their guys with term regardless of whether they are in a playoff race. They won’t but they should.