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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLVI

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Riche16 said:
Only one of them is anything more than a question mark (this is not me saying sign Duchene etc. just need to keep in mind that Howden of the ??? Looks to be a C but bottom 6... meaning we have a gaping hole... for now)
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no concern with those guys in the bottom 6 spots...those guys are part of the future and need to play and gain experience.
 
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True Blue said:
No. At least not in my view of the timeline. They should be competing for an in the playoffs at that time. Obviously anything can happen, but via organic growth and even smart UFA imports, I cannot see such a quick turnaround.
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I was so happy to read Davidson's comments in the Post today. He gets it. You need a nice blend of veterans to go with the kids. They will be active this summer in FA but smart. he is basically saying what I have been preaching. We should play the kids but we need some good established players as well. Every draft choice we make is not going to pan out. A lot of people on this board play roulette with the roster. Trade everyone established for picks. It does not work that way. You build a foundation with the right blend. Someone needs to teach the players how to win.
 
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Bruner4329 said:
I was so happy to read Davidson's comments in the Post today. He gets it. You need a nice blend of veterans to go with the kids. They will be active this summer in FA but smart. he is basically saying what I have been preaching. We should play the kids but we need some good established players as well. Every draft choice we make is not going to pan out. A lot of people on this board play roulette with the roster. Trade everyone established for picks. It does not work that way. You build a foundation with the right blend. Someone needs to teach the players how to win.
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As long as they're cheap veterans thats fine.

But again, most of that article was focused on the AHL level.
 
Strome was an underrated move from last year as a younger vet who is a bit of a Swiss Army knife. It would be nice if Gorton could trade Namestnikov and bring in a guy like Boyle to be another in that similar style of versatile forward. It would also insulate guys like Howden, Andersson and Chytil in case they need to shift to wing for less responsibility at certain times.

Trade Kreider.

Trade Namestnikov.

Sign Boyle.

Buchnevich-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kravtsov-Strome-Chytil
Lemieux-Howden-Andersson
Boyle-Nieves-Fast

If they can add Callahan and get a piece from TB to take him I’d probably trade Fast.
 
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NYR Viper said:
Strome was an underrated move from last year as a younger vet who is a bit of a Swiss Army knife. It would be nice if Gorton could trade Namestnikov and bring in a guy like Boyle to be another in that similar style of versatile forward. It would also insulate guys like Howden, Andersson and Chytil in case they need to shift to wing for less responsibility at certain times.

Trade Kreider.

Trade Namestnikov.

Sign Boyle.

Buchnevich-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kravtsov-Strome-Chytil
Lemieux-Howden-Andersson
Boyle-Nieves-Fast

If they can add Callahan and get a piece from TB to take him I’d probably trade Fast.
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I’m confused. Where is Crouse?
 
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NYR Viper said:
Strome was an underrated move from last year as a younger vet who is a bit of a Swiss Army knife. It would be nice if Gorton could trade Namestnikov and bring in a guy like Boyle to be another in that similar style of versatile forward. It would also insulate guys like Howden, Andersson and Chytil in case they need to shift to wing for less responsibility at certain times.

Trade Kreider.

Trade Namestnikov.

Sign Boyle.

Buchnevich-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kravtsov-Strome-Chytil
Lemieux-Howden-Andersson
Boyle-Nieves-Fast

If they can add Callahan and get a piece from TB to take him I’d probably trade Fast.
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I definitely agree, must have the right vets.
 
Duhatschek made an excellent point in his Athletic article recently. Money is going to go quickly between this unprecedented RFA class and some high end UFAs entering the market.

He said smart agents should recommend that their clients take deals early, even if it means that deal isn't market value. If money dries up, there simply won't be the cap space available to get even a decent contract.

I really want to be the last man alive on earth with lots of partners looking to dance. Beggars can't be choosers scenario. Don't go out and bribe players to come here, just save the cap space and find great value. Whether it is free agents or teams trading away good players pennies on the dollar. Patience.
 
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I saw on the main thread that Columbus is shopping Ryan Murray. Don’t hear about this guy much but he’s a 2nd overall pick. I’m intrigued about this guy.
 
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ZuccsFluffierFluffer said:
As long as they're cheap veterans thats fine.

But again, most of that article was focused on the AHL level.
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The headline was about the AHL level. In the interview, JD addressed the need to build a competitive environment through the entire franchise (and he had lengthy quotes addressing how they were going to do that with unsigned prospects, the AHL, and the need to keep players from losing hope at the NHL level).

I'm not opposed to bringing in cheap veterans to do that, but they HAVE to be the right ones. It takes a special kind of personality to sign on to a team knowing that there is no chance to lift the Cup until long after you depart the roster. The vast majority of vets in that situation fall into one of two categories:

1- They aren't good enough to really help a team all that much to begin with.

2- They ARE good enough, but they are willing to sign here because they want a pay-day (see 90s/00s Rangers).

Neither of the above are what we need. I keep thinking back to Wade Redden, who was an AWFUL signing, but did so much unheralded work developing our defensive prospects. I would rather see the team sign someone like Panarin who will still be here when the team is competitive again, but if they don't go that way, I want them to find a couple of guys with Redden's attitude but a bit more gas left in the tank. That's a tough combination to find. Legit question: Who is available that fits that description?
 
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A question: Which players in this year’s draft would you trade Chytil and 20 for?
 
Ola said:
A question: Which players in this year’s draft would you trade Chytil and 20 for?
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Probably any of the big C prospects or Byram. Not a knock on Chytil per se (I think he'll score 30 several times) but I don't see Chytil as a C skillset wise.
 
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Charlie Conway said:
Let's change one beaten horse for another.

Who are the vets you target? I want one or two insurance options so no one is forced into something they're not ready for. That's one of the fastest ways to bungle the rebuild.

Williams would definitely be one of my picks. If we can get him on a one-year deal, he's the type of vet who has been through it all.

Is Brett Connolly getting paid big money? If we can get him for a modest contract, he'd be a solid pickup.

Tanev? Dzingel?
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Boyle, Hathaway, martinook, lazar, a Vet LD. Value plays
 
NYR Viper said:
Strome was an underrated move from last year as a younger vet who is a bit of a Swiss Army knife. It would be nice if Gorton could trade Namestnikov and bring in a guy like Boyle to be another in that similar style of versatile forward. It would also insulate guys like Howden, Andersson and Chytil in case they need to shift to wing for less responsibility at certain times.

Trade Kreider.

Trade Namestnikov.

Sign Boyle.

Buchnevich-Zibanejad-Kakko
Kravtsov-Strome-Chytil
Lemieux-Howden-Andersson
Boyle-Nieves-Fast

If they can add Callahan and get a piece from TB to take him I’d probably trade Fast.
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Genuine question. Why would you want to add Callahan at the expense of fast? Similar player, fast is younger, fast is better and fast is cheaper. The small add we would get from the tbl isn’t worth it.
 
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Riche16 said:
This. Let the kids we have here marinate and the bad contracts expire organically. There’s no rush.

Signing anyone to help this year doesn’t help anything. We won’t be a playoff team.

Buying anyone out this offseason doesn’t make sense. Wait a yr and if u wanna then? Go right ahead because at least at that point there’d (hopefully) be a good reason.
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The only guy it would make any sense to buyout is shattenkirk (if moving him isn’t possible or doesn’t make $en$e) and even that is only truly necessary if the rangers indeed trade for a trouba or similar RD and need the lineup spot.

Trouba (for listing purposes)
ada/pionk
Pionk/fox

Know what I mean.
 
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NernieBichols said:
Definitely a candidate to emerge into a rock 1RD if he gets over the injuries. He looked like a difference maker and he’s a big dude. Wonder what JD thinks of him
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He knows better than anyone and also would know what it would take to get him I would assume.
 
jaywills1020 said:
Genuine question. Why would you want to add Callahan at the expense of fast? Similar player, fast is younger, fast is better and fast is cheaper. The small add we would get from the tbl isn’t worth it.
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So let go through the hypothetical:

Say the TB deal is Callahan + 2020 2nd for Ryan Gropp

Then the Rangers trade Fast to a team like Toronto, say for the TOR 3rd ‘19 + 3rd ‘20.

The Rangers then trade Callahan at the deadline for a 3rd ‘20.

I do believe Callahan is a downgrade from Fast at this point in their careers but that’s okay, the team isn’t competing. It’s about accumulating those assets and to me, the additional 3 3rd’s + 2nd is well worth the small downgrade for this season.

Either way, I wouldn’t be re-signing Fast as a UFA.
 
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