Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[leetch99]

NHLer for NHLer. They're already playing Greig at wing. Same reason you like Edstrom is the reason they'd like him. It cannot be reiterated enough that they are tired of losing.

I just wish Edstrom played like Greig .

 

[I Eat Crow]

Time to blow it up.

All of these teams like Kreider. Should be some good offers coming.

Is it true Friedman said that Trouba said he'd kill himself if he got dealt? I thought I read that a couple of pages ago. Surely this was in jest?

 

[will1066]

It's a while ago, but Rick Nash. He signed an 8-year deal with Columbus beginning in 2010-11, which included an NMC for the first 5 years. Two years later, he waived his NMC for the Rangers.

More recently, Hertl waived his NMC in year 2 of an 8-year contract to go to Vegas.

There are probably more, but other than Nash, which I knew off the top of my head, I only looked at the last 3 years.

MAF waived his NMC to get expansion drafted by VGK.

 

[Lion Hound]

The greatest impact this team can have for the least amount of expenditure, at this exact moment, is jettisoning a couple of our big-minute D that don't have trade protection (lindgren, KAM) packaged with some net-positive assets we can live without in exchange for other defensemen that can maybe touch the puck sometimes without shitting their britches

I'm not too attached to most of our forwards (or kids), but I'd like to see us tweak/modernize our backend by giving up some picks and see if that doesn't help with what I think is our biggest personnel problem—transporting the puck up the ice and through the neutral zone.

The oddman rushes, blown coverage and the like are definitely a major concern, but one I largely think is a matter of the players that can and should stay removing their heads from their asses (which could be helped along by removing some stale faces that are among the worst perpetrators)

Im in agreement that D is of top priority, but before moving out players i think they need to hold staff accountable. Zero confidence in Housley right now. They dont even need to fire him. Just change his role. Hire someone that can make this group accountable on the blueline. Then tweak the players.

 

[Machinehead]

You are coming from the right place, and others who are like "cup or bust" maybe right too. It's a good debate. Not sure which one is right. This was never a cup team, though VERY close. I don't know where I would stand overall but I know I liked the hope this era. But the era is over and that is not negotiable

It's not necessarily Cup or bust.

If they have a solid run and don't win the Cup because they just didn't, but they might have, that's fun. I look back pretty fondly on the 2014 and 2015 teams.

If not winning the Cup is an unavoidable natural conclusion to what we were putting on the ice, then you wasted my time.

 

[bernmeister]

Maybe Mika would welcome a move back to Ottawa?

Ideally do not want this to drag out and get more toxic
On paper I only see him being open to VAN b'c his pal EPetterssen is there.
I am seeing if we can send him somehow w/out getting JTM back

The other possibility may be LA
LA is the NY of the WC, music scene, top dog Kopitar close to hanging up the skates, and Byfield is likely to dominate as replacement, but there is a niche for him to establish himself if he wants to bust out

 

[DialUp]

It's not necessarily Cup or bust.

If they have a solid run and don't win the Cup because they just didn't, but they might have, that's fun. I look back pretty fondly on the 2014 and 2015 teams.

If not winning the Cup is an unavoidable natural conclusion to what we were putting on the ice, then you wasted my time.

I liked the 14-15 teams more, for sure. But those teams weren't closer even if they made the finals. It's ok to like one group over the other, but this group, when they were good, were exceptionally talented. Just not "together"

 

[Machinehead]

I liked the 14-15 teams more, for sure. But those teams weren't closer even if they made the finals. It's ok to like one group over the other, but this group, when they were good, were exceptionally talented. Just not "together"

They were definitely closer.

If Chicago wins game 7 instead of Martinez scoring on an octuple deflection, the 2014 Rangers win the Stanley Cup.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[DialUp]

They were definitely closer.

If Chicago wins game 7 instead of Martinez scoring on an octuple deflection, the 2014 Rangers win the Stanley Cup.

We do not know that

*Edit* agreed we all wanted that Chicago matchup though

 

[Machinehead]

We do not know that

*Edit* agreed we all wanted that Chicago matchup though

Maybe we don't know that for sure, but I knew for sure that the 2022 and 2024 teams were losing in the exact round they did!

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Maybe we don't know that for sure, but I knew for sure that the 2022 and 2024 teams were losing in the exact round they did!

There is no way you had the 2022 team getting that far.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'll take the mystery box if I feel that the roster we've been locked into has a 0% chance of winning the Cup.

I'd much rather 100% of good hockey with no cup than the 50% garbage, 45% good with less achieved, and 5% cup. I'm a Giants fan, f*** endless rebuilds.

 

[rangers1314]

Chicago fired Richardson

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Chicago fired Richardson

 

[SnowblindNYR]

They were definitely closer.

If Chicago wins game 7 instead of Martinez scoring on an octuple deflection, the 2014 Rangers win the Stanley Cup.

And if Price doesn't get hurt it's possible our last cup final would have been in 1994. In fact it's more likely that a healthy Price beats the Rangers than the Rangers beat the lowly *checks notes* dynasty Chicago Blackhawks.

 

[DialUp]

It's also entirely possible if the Rangers forced game 5 we beat the Kings in 7. They were banged up too. But those teams had no punch.

 

[DialUp]

I'd much rather 100% of good hockey with no cup than the 50% garbage, 45% good with less achieved, and 5% cup. I'm a Giants fan, f*** endless rebuilds.

Thing is 100% good hockey cannot completely eliminate cup prospects.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The only issue with this logic (which I agree with ) is that they scrapped the plan 18 months later after they drafted Lafreniere and decided they wanted to rebuild again.

They did both well until Drury and Dolan put the rush on it. We wasted a lot of picks over the last few years when the team wasn't a serious contender. Imagine if we had those picks, and some more players in the minor system now. Imo Gorton was taking the right approach, doubtful we would have seen Goodrow or Reaves or traded Buchnevich.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And if Price doesn't get hurt it's possible our last cup final would have been in 1994. In fact it's more likely that a healthy Price beats the Rangers than the Rangers beat the lowly *checks notes* dynasty Chicago Blackhawks.

If price doesn’t get hurt they probably sweep that series.

The fallacy of price in 2014 needs to die a fiery death. He had the luckiest series I’ve seen in my life the round prior.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Thing is 100% good hockey cannot completely eliminate cup prospects.

I'm not machinehead, I don't think these teams had no shot. Maybe not against who they played but they could have gotten lucky with the draw, injuries, whatever. Is that a great strategy? No. Is it better than almost certainly every other scenario where we don't cut our rebuild short? Yes. Would I take the Baltimore Ravens in the NFL that haven't won shit with Lamar and frankly I think Lamar has a ceiling or the Giants or Jets? I know who I'd pick.

 

[Levitate]

And if Price doesn't get hurt it's possible our last cup final would have been in 1994. In fact it's more likely that a healthy Price beats the Rangers than the Rangers beat the lowly *checks notes* dynasty Chicago Blackhawks.

The rangers were whaling on the Habs in that game before Price got iirc.
sure maybe Price keeps the habs in that but the Rangers kinda dispelled the "they can't beat Price" narrative right before Emelin tripped Kreider

 

[n8]

Ideally do not want this to drag out and get more toxic
On paper I only see him being open to VAN b'c his pal EPetterssen is there.
I am seeing if we can send him somehow w/out getting JTM back

The other possibility may be LA
LA is the NY of the WC, music scene, top dog Kopitar close to hanging up the skates, and Byfield is likely to dominate as replacement, but there is a niche for him to establish himself if he wants to bust out

What about Detroit? 40% of their roster is Swedish.

 

[SA16]

All of the anger about cutting the rebuild short and people still to this day think that every rebuild is destined for greatness. There is a chance we'd still be looking for our first playoff season or at the very least wouldn't experience 2 out of 3 ECFs and a Presidents' trophy. Rebuilds can be great but rarely actually work. More commonly teams are closer to Buffalo than Chicago. I'll take a winning team for 3 straight years over the mystery box which is almost surely not any better. We got our top picks and they ended up being not the best top picks and not guys that you can win with alone. And yet people STILL bitch about cutting short the rebuild. We only got to witness a guy that's better than 90% of 1st overall picks come here in his 20s. But maybe we could have gotten another Kakko or two.

Take a look at how most rebuilds go too. Even the "successful" ones take 10+ years before they win and at that point was the rebuild even a success? Who is to say some other method also wouldn't have yielded success over that massive time frame.

 

[AirGut]

What would you guys seek out of a team like Dallas if Jim Nill wants to do business with Drury for Kreids?