Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[bernmeister]

What about LaF, Fox + Jones
to Ott
for
Sanderson, Pinto, Grieg, Kleven + Batherson

for Sens this adds overall extra D, a stud W who is 1OA cache/home favorite

for Rs it is getting younger + tougher and improving where needed

still wanna move out vets zib, bread, lindy trouba, Vesey

but
Sanderson - Schneider
KAM - Kleven
stopgap Robertson/Scanlin etc - Mancini

helps as we build

ditto Fs
Kreider Pinto Batherson
Othmann - Tro - Berard
Cuylle - Chytil/Brodz - KK
Edstrom - Grieg - Rempe

holds the fort until we do something around KAM + Shesty + for Byfield +

 

[NYR Viper]

You know who would fit really well with a young kid like Perrault who plays RW? A kid with a nose for the net and who LOVES shooting the puck in Othmann.

Cuylle-_____-Kakko
Othmann-_______-Perrault

That leaves Panarin-______-Lafreniere

Berard, Edstrom and Rempe on the 4th line, unless Kakko can slide over to center. Then Berard fits like a glove on that line

Needless to say, I'm not trading Othmann

 

[Shesterkybomb]

You know who would fit really well with a young kid like Perrault who plays RW? A kid with a nose for the net and who LOVES shooting the puck in Othmann.

Cuylle-_____-Kakko
Othmann-_______-Perrault

That leaves Panarin-______-Lafreniere

Berard, Edstrom and Rempe on the 4th line, unless Kakko can slide over to center. Then Berard fits like a glove on that line

Needless to say, I'm not trading Othmann

I agree with this, I'm unsure why everyone is trying to move Othmann, I have no idea. If anyone followed his career before he landed in the barrons of Ranger land they'd know that this guy has JT Miller lite written all over him. He's got the same nose for the net, great shot, physical but still learning to be on the edge without costing penalties. I swear if he was in someone else's system people here would be clamoring to trade for him. Is it because he played in Canada and nyr fans are mostly following us hockey, i dunno but he's behind only perrault of prospects i would not trade.

If you want my opinion on a trade that includes players that have been discussed. I'd aquire Batherson, I'm not sure what it would cost but if it could be done for say Kreider, a pick and a b prospect I'd do it. I'm not sure what the return would be but he would be a perfect fit for this team imo

 

[Synergy27]

I agree with this, I'm unsure why everyone is trying to move Othmann, I have no idea. If anyone followed his career before he landed in the barrons of Ranger land they'd know that this guy has JT Miller lite written all over him. He's got the same nose for the net, great shot, physical but still learning to be on the edge without costing penalties. I swear if he was in someone else's system people here would be clamoring to trade for him. Is it because he played in Canada and nyr fans are mostly following us hockey, i dunno but he's behind only perrault of prospects i would not trade.

If you want my opinion on a trade that includes players that have been discussed. I'd aquire Batherson, I'm not sure what it would cost but if it could be done for say Kreider, a pick and a b prospect I'd do it. I'm not sure what the return would be but he would be a perfect fit for this team imo

It’s because wing is an organizational strength, and he’s a prospect with some value that can likely help address areas of organizational weakness. You have to give to get.

 

[Lua]

The greatest impact this team can have for the least amount of expenditure, at this exact moment, is jettisoning a couple of our big-minute D that don't have trade protection (lindgren, KAM) packaged with some net-positive assets we can live without in exchange for other defensemen that can maybe touch the puck sometimes without shitting their britches

I'm not too attached to most of our forwards (or kids), but I'd like to see us tweak/modernize our backend by giving up some picks and see if that doesn't help with what I think is our biggest personnel problem—transporting the puck up the ice and through the neutral zone.

The oddman rushes, blown coverage and the like are definitely a major concern, but one I largely think is a matter of the players that can and should stay removing their heads from their asses (which could be helped along by removing some stale faces that are among the worst perpetrators)

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It’s because wing is an organizational strength, and he’s a prospect with some value that can likely help address areas of organizational weakness. You have to give to get.

Yes but we're always wanting a physical winger with scoring ability, why are we trading the first one we have in the system since Miller/Dubinsky/Callahan .

 

[McRanger92]

Yes but we're always wanting a physical winger with scoring ability, why are we trading the first one we have in the system since Miller/Dubinsky/Callahan .

No one said anything about trading Cuylle

 

[Shesterkybomb]

No one said anything about trading Cuylle

Touche...nothing wrong with having 2. A Future line up with cuylle on one line and Othmann on the other is a nice luxury to have and then finally we may be able to go back to the days this team wasn't soft as butter, aka the Callahan, dubinsky, Miller, Boyle era

 

[mxyxptlk]

Gorton's track record with Montreal (still trading vets for picks, not wading too deep into FA) as well as the way his departure from NY went down (if you believe Larry quoted below) lead me to believe that the "acceleration of the rebuild" was heavily influenced if not demanded by Dolan.

Exactly....the Panarin signing and the Kane "acquisition" were vintage Dolan moves.

 

[Kords]

Can someone give examples of players with full NMCs. Ones they signed recently not ones on their last year, who waived them to be traded.

Yes NTCs get waived but those are players inclined to move to certain places.

But I’d like to know who in Mika’s situation waived to go somewhere else

Pretty sure PLD last summer, no? He was somehow a worse contract than Mika, but now Mika has the crown.

It’s doable if things come to a head, but I for one am not counting on it mid season.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I agree with this, I'm unsure why everyone is trying to move Othmann, I have no idea. If anyone followed his career before he landed in the barrons of Ranger land they'd know that this guy has JT Miller lite written all over him. He's got the same nose for the net, great shot, physical but still learning to be on the edge without costing penalties. I swear if he was in someone else's system people here would be clamoring to trade for him. Is it because he played in Canada and nyr fans are mostly following us hockey, i dunno but he's behind only perrault of prospects i would not trade.

If you want my opinion on a trade that includes players that have been discussed. I'd aquire Batherson, I'm not sure what it would cost but if it could be done for say Kreider, a pick and a b prospect I'd do it. I'm not sure what the return would be but he would be a perfect fit for this team imo

Would you clarify “nose for the net”?

 

[Raspewtin]

I agree with this, I'm unsure why everyone is trying to move Othmann, I have no idea. If anyone followed his career before he landed in the barrons of Ranger land they'd know that this guy has JT Miller lite written all over him. He's got the same nose for the net, great shot, physical but still learning to be on the edge without costing penalties. I swear if he was in someone else's system people here would be clamoring to trade for him. Is it because he played in Canada and nyr fans are mostly following us hockey, i dunno but he's behind only perrault of prospects i would not trade.

If you want my opinion on a trade that includes players that have been discussed. I'd aquire Batherson, I'm not sure what it would cost but if it could be done for say Kreider, a pick and a b prospect I'd do it. I'm not sure what the return would be but he would be a perfect fit for this team imo

He definitely does not have this....it's actually one of his bigger weaknesses. He's definitely improving at it but he's not a bulldrive the net type. He's a shoot from anywhere and cause chaos type.

 

[LOFIN]

Pretty sure PLD last summer, no? He was somehow a worse contract than Mika, but now Mika has the crown.

They traded him 11 days before his NMC kicked in

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The only reason why JG hasn’t done anything big in Montreal is because they have no cap space.

If they had the room, they would have splooged or attempted to splooge. It’s his MO.

Their downfall will be the lack of
Movement to actually improve beyond just accumulating a ton of assets. That looks like a future Buffalo situation.

Exactly....the Panarin signing and the Kane "acquisition" were vintage Dolan moves.

There’s no way that Dolan knew who Panarin was before he signed here. Kane I’ll grant you.

Panarin was 10000% JD and Gorton.

 

[mxyxptlk]

I’m afraid you’re going to have to count on God to solve that problem.

Seriously, I don’t think Dolan has enough hockey expertise to be the thug in the room. Yes, I am sure he pushes in certain directions (e.g. toughness, accelerating the rebuild) but it was getting to a point where he couldn’t sell regular season tickets, no less playoff. Tickets. There are owners with a lot less patience.

It was my understanding that he doesn't need to sell regular season tickets.......the corporate suits will more than make up for the "missing fans". And despite their recent downturn, I doubt they will be missing the playoffs either.

 

[McRanger92]

The only reason why JG hasn’t done anything big in Montreal is because they have no cap space.

If they had the room, they would have splooged or attempted to splooge. It’s his MO.

Their downfall will be the lack of
Movement to actually improve beyond just accumulating a ton of assets. That looks like a future Buffalo situation.




There’s no way that Dolan knew who Panarin was before he signed here. Kane I’ll grant you.

Panarin was 10000% JD and Gorton.

I'll never understand Gorton & JD getting the big boss to sign off on a full rebuild, only to lock up 20 million in cap space for (at the time) the next 7 years on 2 guys approaching 30 from outside the organization. What were they thinking?

 

[will1066]

I'll never understand Gorton & JD getting the big boss to sign off on a full rebuild, only to lock up 20 million in cap space for (at the time) the next 7 years on 2 guys approaching 30 from outside the organization. What were they thinking?

Panarin was BPA FA and there was a bidding war. And when he said he wanted to come here, that was it. Lust. I can have what everyone else wants?? And to quote Tony Schiavone, Rangers/MSG always wants someone who can put butts in seats.

 

[effen]

I'll never understand Gorton & JD getting the big boss to sign off on a full rebuild, only to lock up 20 million in cap space for (at the time) the next 7 years on 2 guys approaching 30 from outside the organization. What were they thinking?

Org had a hard on for Trouba for years before.
Logic for Panarin was "it's not a mistake to get a top 10 player for just money" which honestly seems fine.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[McRanger92]

Org had a hard on for Trouba for years before.
Logic for Panarin was "it's not a mistake to get a top 10 player for just money" which honestly seems fine.

Panarin was BPA FA and there was a bidding war. And when he said he wanted to come here, that was it. Lust. I can have what everyone else wants?? And to quote Tony Schiavone, Rangers/MSG always wants someone who can put butts in seats.

Both moves I was honestly fine with because they were building toward something that could work. The team was definitely on the upswing when the world shut down for covid. They extended Kreider and self rented Fast. Seems like their entire gameplan changed when they lucked into Lafreniere. They purged the veterans they still could after the bubble playoffs and left Quinn with a powder keg locker room full of veterans expecting to be competitive and young players expecting to be gifted ice time. Such a mess and we're still paying for it.

 

[effen]

Both moves I was honestly fine with because they were building toward something that could work. The team was definitely on the upswing when the world shut down for covid. They extended Kreider and self rented Fast. Seems like their entire gameplan changed when they lucked into Lafreniere. They purged the veterans they still could after the bubble playoffs and left Quinn with a powder keg locker room full of veterans expecting to be competitive and young players expecting to be gifted ice time. Such a mess and we're still paying for it.

Ehhh Quinn got f***ed because he catered to Panarin which was great for a while because Panarin was great. Carte blanche to break structure and freelance? Fine if you're a top 10 player...

Once the top six realized Panarin's personal center could play any way he wanted too and mouth off to him in the room and in the press, it was over. They didn't have to listen to him anymore.

Getting styled on by mid-ass Ryan Strome is a death knell. I wouldn't respect him either.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Org had a hard on for Trouba for years before.
Logic for Panarin was "it's not a mistake to get a top 10 player for just money" which honestly seems fine.

The logic works if the timing is right.

The timing wasn’t right.

 

[McRanger92]

Ehhh Quinn got f***ed because he catered to Panarin which was great for a while because Panarin was great. Carte blanche to break structure and freelance? Fine if you're a top 10 player...

Once the top six realized Panarin's personal center could play any way he wanted too and mouth off to him in the room and in the press, it was over. They didn't have to listen to him anymore.

Strome was another terrible Ranger. Couldnt keep his mouth shut and only succeed with panarin because Fast was doing superhuman defensive work on his other wing. Agreed on Quinn though. Him letting them get the fancy hockey habits into their DNA really effected guys like Mika and Kreider 5v5.

 

[will1066]

Strome was another terrible Ranger. Couldnt keep his mouth shut and only succeed with panarin because Fast was doing superhuman defensive work on his other wing. Agreed on Quinn though. Him letting them get the fancy hockey habits into their DNA really effected guys like Mika and Kreider 5v5.

Panarin infected Strome too. Strome wasn't a terrible Ranger. He worked well with Panarin and was always a stand-up guy sticking up for teammates on the ice.

Panarin infects everyone into thinking they're superhuman in hockey.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah I'll argue that Strome was actually beyond useful. They traded Ryan Spooner for him and he turned into a serviceable top-6 center. That's a win