Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[McRanger92]

I think this is an actual framework with the Rangers adding. Edstrom could be an interesting piece for them.

I wouldnt even need a warm body back if Ottawa has interest in taking Lindgren off our hands. Addition by subtraction

 

[Raspewtin]

I think this is an actual framework with the Rangers adding. Edstrom could be an interesting piece for them.

nooo i like eddy

but for real, while Edstrom is very polished and toolsy and I personally think he has way more to give, he still has 3p in 24gp. Can't imagine he's that valuable.....

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers are off today? I thought this week was for valuable practice time. 2 days is enough for them I guess.

 

[effen]

nooo i like eddy

but for real, while Edstrom is very polished and toolsy and I personally think he has way more to give, he still has 3p in 24gp. Can't imagine he's that valuable.....

NHLer for NHLer. They're already playing Greig at wing. Same reason you like Edstrom is the reason they'd like him. It cannot be reiterated enough that they are tired of losing.

 

[TominNC]

Can someone give examples of players with full NMCs. Ones they signed recently not ones on their last year, who waived them to be traded.

Yes NTCs get waived but those are players inclined to move to certain places.

But I’d like to know who in Mika’s situation waived to go somewhere else

 

[effen]

Looking at Ottawa's roster, they're actually ok but paper thin at LD so no Lindgren. Their RD is an horrifying apocalypse.

I think if you're looking to make a big hockey trade with them, it's KAM/Kakko going their way for Batherson/Pinto or something along those lines. And you'd have to figure out how to make the D whole in another trade. Not easy.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Hard to believe a GM has ever inherited a better situation than Drury

 

[zlev]

i'd really like to get Bernard-Docker from Ottawa

Ridly Greig sucks

 

[McRanger92]

Hard to believe a GM has ever inherited a better situation than Drury

Brisebois and Zito come to mind. That wasnt very hard.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Add whatever you have to to Kakko to get Batherson lol.

 

[Raspewtin]

Ridly Greig sucks

he's just a guy who's also an asshole. that's probably why people want him.

Hard to believe a GM has ever inherited a better situation than Drury

this is just patently false lol

 

[GAGLine]

I know this board is kinda divided on him but i'd really rather keep Othmann unless a great deal for a LHD shows up.

Othmann had 5 points in 3 games before getting hurt. If he were healthy and playing at or above a point a game, the narrative on him would be very different right now.

Well he is their 3C. And they arent making the playoffs. And i would bet he doesnt want to be there long term. It would probably cost Kakko and Othmann though.

What has Pinto done to warrant that kind of return?

 

[bernmeister]

I’m afraid you’re going to have to count on God to solve that problem.

Seriously, I don’t think Dolan has enough hockey expertise to be the thug in the room. Yes, I am sure he pushes in certain directions (e.g. toughness, accelerating the rebuild) but it was getting to a point where he couldn’t sell regular season tickets, no less playoff. Tickets. There are owners with a lot less patience.

while a more informed owner who actually knew hockey better would be a +, let's remember Jimmy D cuts the checks, incl for $ ramifications of stupid moves, and we would NOT be better off under a tightwad.

I think this is an actual framework with the Rangers adding. Edstrom could be an interesting piece for them.

Lindgren MAYBE only of interest to Ott as a stopgap, they will not offer any useful player for him and big NO on moving Edstrom

everybody stop turning us into smurfs, looking to lose Edstrom, Rempe etc
we are soft enuf as it is

Add whatever you have to to Kakko to get Batherson lol.

no

 

[DanielBrassard]

Othmann had 5 points in 3 games before getting hurt. If he were healthy and playing at or above a point a game, the narrative on him would be very different right now.

What has Pinto done to warrant that kind of return?

He’s done nothing, he’s become so overrated it’s not even funny.

 

[McRanger92]

Othmann had 5 points in 3 games before getting hurt. If he were healthy and playing at or above a point a game, the narrative on him would be very different right now.

What has Pinto done to warrant that kind of return?

Idk, thats what theyd ask for presumably. I wouldnt make the trade.

Im going to disappointed if we end up with Josh Norris and his albatross contract.

 

[bernmeister]

The poster who keeps saying Zib is unmovable is like 95% correct.
but there are plausible scenarios where he may go 1-2 places
so far I'm seeing
1. VAN
2. LA

if anything else, pls make note of it


we should focus on scenarios that enable us to flip zib, even if overpayment

 

[effen]

this is just patently false lol

Drury walked into an embarrassment of riches and could have done anything with them.

Adam Fox was a 22 y/o Norris winner on an ELC.
26 y/o Shesty.
Laf and Kakko on ELCs. Chytil is 20.
KAM just had 20 points in 50 games as a rookie.
Bevy of kiddos under 25 who haven't busted yet (Howden, Kravtsov, ADA, Schneider)
Panarin
Mika's not dead yet.
Buchnevich still exists.

 

[Raspewtin]

Drury walked into an embarrassment of riches and could have done anything with them.

Adam Fox was a 22 y/o Norris winner on an ELC.
26 y/o Shesty.
Laf and Kakko on ELCs.
Bevy of kiddos under 25.
Panarin
Mika's not dead yet.

counterpoint: they were still in the "dreaded middle" even with all of this but realistically had no choice but to push a largely incomplete group forward due to signings that were already made. no GM was trading Zib (which in hindsight is probably what should've happened) with the aforementioned riches there.

 

[McRanger92]

Drury walked into an embarrassment of riches and could have done anything with them.

Adam Fox was a 22 y/o Norris winner on an ELC.
26 y/o Shesty.
Laf and Kakko on ELCs.
KAM just had 20 points in 50 games as a rookie.
Bevy of kiddos under 25 who haven't busted yet (Howden, Kravtsov, ADA, Schneider)
Panarin
Mika's not dead yet.
Buchnevich still exists.

He hasnt exactly screwed it up though either. 2 ECFs and a President's Trophy. Now people want him fired after a bad 2 months, all because he traded Buchnevich. He absolutely deserves a chance to get it right. The meter is running though.

counterpoint: they were still in the "dreaded middle" even with all of this but realistically had no choice but to push a largely incomplete group forward due to signings that were already made. no GM was trading Zib (which in hindsight is probably what should've happened) with the aforementioned riches there.

Ive seen people say theyve won with Gorton's team. Gorton shouldve tried winning with his own team in the 5 years he was GM if it was so easy.

 

[effen]

counterpoint: they were still in the "dreaded middle" even with all of this but realistically had no choice but to push a largely incomplete group forward due to signings that were already made. no GM was trading Zib (which in hindsight is probably what should've happened) with the aforementioned riches there.

What he needed to do was blow Phillip Danault out of the water on a contract and I think in a non-Tom Wilson world they would have done that since he was everything they didn't have.

They needed to work out who they wanted skill guy wise and package the rest for unsexy structure pieces like a mean forward and a defensive D who could actually play, even if they overpaid to get them.

Instead, Tom Wilson exists and we tried to cater to Nils Lunkqvist and ended up with Ryan Reaves and Patrik Nemeth.

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

nooo i like eddy

but for real, while Edstrom is very polished and toolsy and I personally think he has way more to give, he still has 3p in 24gp. Can't imagine he's that valuable.....

Obviously wouldn't let Edstrom be the holdup in a deal to bring back someone good, but developing useful players like him is huge. For one, to avoid paying players like Goodrow 3.6 mil, secondly, to avoid deploying completely useless players like Pitlick and McKegg, and lastly to avoid trading picks for guys like Motte.

 

[Raspewtin]

What he needed to do was blow Phillip Danault out of the water on a contract and I think in a non-Tom Wilson world they would have done that since he was everything they didn't have.

They needed to work out who they wanted skill guy wise and package the rest for unsexy structure pieces like a mean forward and a defensive D who could actually play, even if they overpaid to get them.

I don't necessarily disagree but would that have made them good enough either? I don't think so. They were missing 1-2 more elite pieces.

 

[eco's bones]

I still think Othmann has top 6 winger upside. Maybe Dustin Brown with a little higher goal scoring touch. Is he tradable? Yes.

That said going back to that draft the Rangers could have taken Jesper Walstedt (instead of Othmann) who was shortly thereafter taken by the Wild. The question is top notch NHL starter upside vs. second line winger upside. Another point to be made is all the debate and fury over Igor's next contract. The 'never take a goalie until it's the 4th round' and the 'Igor's going to be our goalie for the next 15 years so we'll never need to worry about goaltending ever again' people are no doubt some of the same today who are 'no way am I going to pay this guy $12.5 mil worth of Jimmy Dolan's dollars'. If we had drafted Wallstedt we'd at least have something of a heading into the future backup plan. Sure there's the possibility that we'll find another Lundqvist/Shesterkin in a 6th round of some future draft but that's not something you can bank on or that some undrafted European wunderkind will favor us signing as a free agent....again something you can't count on or you could end up with another Georgiev.

 

[effen]

I don't necessarily disagree but would that have made them good enough either? I don't think so. They were missing 1-2 more elite pieces.

I think that keeps them on a more even trajectory where there's still year-over-year progress. I think they tried to have their cake and eat it too with all the skill kiddos and seeing who panned out, and none of them panned out.

Needed to monetize them because in the end they're all off the roster 3 years later anyway.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

Last season, long stretches without the Rangers playing made me a bit stir-crazy.

Now?

I thank God on bended knee I don't have to suffer!

I’ve discovered that wearing blue boxers on game day was not what was warding off losing streaks. I was convinced last season but not this one.