Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[McRanger92]

how was it determined that it is below market? By us Ranger fans?


yeah but the message by our GM was sent earlier…

All the top "insiders" were saying teams were very ready to give Igor 13-14 million. Friedman and Brooks specifically. Lafreniere left money on the table to sign now, instead of betting on himself. he was playing as well as he was in the playoffs until the locker room turmoil started. Im not going to blame him alone for his poor play since. And your point was "no one wants to come here" which is completely negated by 2 homegrown guys signing on for 7 & 8 more years respectively. Not exactly dying to leave town.

And isnt that the whole complaint among the veterans who are upset? They don't want to leave NY because their cushy lives will be upended? Among the issues with the team, the thought of players not wanting to come here is at the bottom.

 

[Vitto79]

Kings make sense on paper for Kreider

1st and a few young pieces like Turcotte and Thomas ?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I haven’t liked his lack of aggressiveness. Unless there’s a ready made replacement, firing him doesn’t make much sense to me

If you keep down this road with Drury we'll be selling all our assets for what so far has been pennies on the dollar. The problem is Drury is feeling the heat and you can't have a GM feeling the heat trying to make jobs to save his job because they are gambles or short term fixes. He should be gone, he should have been gone before the Kakko trade. His biggest blunder was not having Igor signed before he started with the goodrow and trouna stuff, now we have a full nmc and a young goalie in the AHL that can probably do the job in a couple years for league minimum.

 

[Crease]

Everyone shares the blame and I wouldn’t be opposed to an entirely new regime. Players are rotted. Coach is meek. And GM is replacing one set of problems for another.

 

[Raspewtin]

Fox had 17 goals last season, 12 goals the year prior, and 11 goals the year before that.

This year, he has scored 1, had 1 goal called back, and he's shooting 1.8%.

Fox could be traded in the right deal, but come on, he's still every bit the offensive player he has been since coming into the league. Defensively he hasn't been as good, but no one on the team has. It's hard to judge any individual player when no one appears to be playing with any sort of cohesive structure.

Fox's size isn't an issue if we surround him with bigger players who can actually defend. If we could employ an actual defensive system, everyone might perform better.

why you're even entertaining the absolute nonsense he's spewing is beyond me

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I like the idea of Kreider and Borgen to Dallas. To get the most bang for their buck, Rangers should retain on Kreider's contract. If they retain 50%, the combined cap hit for both Kreider and Borgen would be $6M the rest of this season compared to almost $8M if 50% was retained on Borgen.

Likely could get Stank, Beischel, 2025 #1 and a 2027 #2 that becomes a #1 if the Stars make the cup finals in either 2025, 2026 or 2027.

 

[Profet]

@Leonardo87

This thread title annoys me.

It's not even a question anymore.

When can we start a new roster thread?

 

[CLW]

The team has lost faith in itself and these things can snowball. We don't need to move everyone but we should move some of them with an idea of rebounding at least to some degree next year. Igor, Lafreniere, Cuylle, Fox, Schneider are all staying. I suspect Trocheck and Miller are staying. Jones might stay just because we won't get enough back for him. Chytil? could stay or go. I expect Smith, Lindgren and Borgen to be moved before or at the deadline. I expect Kreider will move too. The Rangers will make a decision then on Vaakanainen. The tough one to move will be Zibanejad but the Rangers are going to really try. Edstrom stays. Rempe stays. Carrick, Brodzinski or Vesey? Don't know. Depends.

Get ready for the Rangers to go big game hunting when free agency opens in July. If guys like Rantanen, Marner, Bennett, Ehlers, Bowser, Provorov, Chychrun hit the market the Rangers are going to be after some and probably some lesser players too. For instance Mathieu Olivier might be a nice pickup.

It is absolutely certain that the Rangers will go the UFA route to reload/retool.

The Rangers *should* nuke it all from space and start baby angel fresh, but winning the cup is immaterial to Dolan/MSG's business model.

It's obvious the Rangers will go for the next set of heroes to market asap. Singing Igor was a step in that direction. UFA hunting comes next after the necessary purges (guess Panarin will go for a younger model). The King is dead, long live the (to be determined) King. Nothing will change.

 

[NYR Viper]

A good way to rebuild quickly is sell off most everyone who isn’t in the long term plans for futures and then look to make good signings in UFA. By this, as an example, I mean:

Trade Panarin for assets
Sign Rantanen as a UFA

Bet change is all of the assets they acquired for Panarin and Rantanen

You could make a similar swap of Kreider out and sign Bennett.

I’m not saying to sign Rantanen or Bennett but as an example, a team moving into next year with, say:

Mavrik Bourque + (2) 1sts for Panarin and a good defensive prospect + 1st for Kreider and then use that collective $18m in cap space properly it could really propel this team forward quickly.

Fox had 17 goals last season, 12 goals the year prior, and 11 goals the year before that.

This year, he has scored 1, had 1 goal called back, and he's shooting 1.8%.

Fox could be traded in the right deal, but come on, he's still every bit the offensive player he has been since coming into the league. Defensively he hasn't been as good, but no one on the team has. It's hard to judge any individual player when no one appears to be playing with any sort of cohesive structure.

Fox's size isn't an issue if we surround him with bigger players who can actually defend. If we could employ an actual defensive system, everyone might perform better.

He’s also coming back from a short offseason and a knee injury that kept him from training for a while

 

[McRanger92]

If you keep down this road with Drury we'll be selling all our assets for what so far has been pennies on the dollar. The problem is Drury is feeling the heat and you can't have a GM feeling the heat trying to make jobs to save his job because they are gambles or short term fixes. He should be gone, he should have been gone before the Kakko trade. His biggest blunder was not having Igor signed before he started with the goodrow and trouna stuff, now we have a full nmc and a young goalie in the AHL that can probably do the job in a couple years for league minimum.

Drury got assets back for Trouba's entire 2 year cap hit. Deleted Goodrow for nothing. Why am I supposed to believe that's a bad thing or he is inept? You wanted more for Kakko? Keep dreaming. If he had value he wouldve been traded sooner, but instead Drury gave him countless chances in the 4 years he's been GM. The reason the Rangers might not get as much as you think for their players is because other GMs now see them as we do. Overpaid and soft. What new President of Hockey Ops is going to fleece the league for our unwanted players? Yzerman? Messier? Brian Burke? Ken Holland? Open question to the people who want to fire Drury and blame him for the players lack of heart.

 

[GAGLine]

why you're even entertaining the absolute nonsense he's spewing is beyond me

He isn't the only one suggesting it. People still respond to Bern, so the bar for "absolute nonsense" is pretty low.

RangerBoy often takes a hardline approach, but his takes are more often than not well-reasoned. This take isn't one of them, so I responded.

 

[NYR Viper]

He isn't the only one suggesting it. People still respond to Bern, so the bar for "absolute nonsense" is pretty low.

RangerBoy often takes a hardline approach, but his takes are more often than not well-reasoned. This take isn't one of them, so I responded.

One of the beautiful things of this site, and it’s been this way for years, is we all get to discuss and vet ideas rattling around in our heads. Sometimes they’re good ideas. Sometimes they’re not. Either way we’re all in the same boat as long as it’s a good faith discussion. Like you said, this is one of those ideas that I can see the thought and reasoning, but I disagree with the assessment.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Drury got assets back for Trouba's entire 2 year cap hit. Deleted Goodrow for nothing. Why am I supposed to believe that's a bad thing or he is inept? You wanted more for Kakko? Keep dreaming. If he had value he wouldve been traded sooner, but instead Drury gave him countless chances in the 4 years he's been GM. The reason the Rangers might not get as much as you think for their players is because other GMs now see them as we do. Overpaid and soft. What new President of Hockey Ops is going to fleece the league for our unwanted players? Yzerman? Messier? Brian Burke? Ken Holland? Open question to the people who want to fire Drury and blame him for the players lack of heart.

I happen to agree with you but feel that you should get a free white garlic pizza and mozzarella sticks down at the Colony Grill for your support.

 

[McRanger92]

I happen to agree with you but feel that you should get a free white garlic pizza and mozzarella sticks down at the Colony Grill for your support.

Bacon and Hot oil, please and thanks.

In all seriousness, there are many things to get on Drury for. My biggest complaint is him being too patient with this roster. They shouldve gone bigger at the deadline last year instead of settling for Wennberg and spare parts. That team was close. He also shouldn't have allowed the Trouba issue from the summer to simmer. Fire him after the season if you want to make wholesale changes, but again, he's not the issue. The players are.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

If things go our way for 2025

Pan Miller Laf
Cuylle Chytil Perrault
Berard Trocheck Othmann
Sykora Carrick Edstrom

Gavrivkov Fox
Miller Schnieder
Bischel Jones/Mancini

 

[McRanger92]

If things go our way for 2025

Pan Miller Laf
Cuylle Chytil Perrault
Berard Trocheck Othmann
Sykora Carrick Edstrom

Gavrivkov Fox
Miller Schnieder
Bischel Jones/Mancini

Swap out Chytil for Bennett and I like it.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

We’ll see what happens after the roster freeze but I don’t trust Drury to make the correct moves. I don’t believe he’ll target the right returns in these trades.

I believe what will happen is he’ll move out a few core guys and target middling returns in an effort to continue competing. And then inevitably when that shit doesn’t work, they’ll be behind the 8 ball again, but 1-2 years later

Someone said Drury is going to trade all these guys a year early, which is false. If he had any sort of foresight and ability to plan, he would have done some of this shit this past summer.

 

[deathb4disco]

not sure if somebody brought it up already, but does any sane player even want to go NYR knowing what the current GM is capable of…

Vegas and other teams use loop holes, trades and waivers to move players why not us? Play close to the value of your contract and you won't have an issue.

 

[McRanger92]

We’ll see what happens after the roster freeze but I don’t trust Drury to make the correct moves. I don’t believe he’ll target the right returns in these trades.

I believe what will happen is he’ll move out a few core guys and target middling returns in an effort to continue competing. And then inevitably when that shit doesn’t work, they’ll be behind the 8 ball again, but 1-2 years later

Someone said Drury is going to trade all these guys a year early, which is false. If he had any sort of foresight and ability to plan, he would have done some of this shit this past summer.

Finally someone with some common sense. he let the innmates run the asylum 6 months too long. He couldve easily did what he did to Trouba in July and avoided the mutiny.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Finally someone with some common sense. he let the innmates run the asylum 6 months too long. He couldve easily did what he did to Trouba in July and avoided the mutiny.

Well Trouba is one example but it could be any of these guys. Like if he truly believed this group wasn’t going to get it done, why did he need 30 games of garbage this season to start moving some of them?

Instead he sat around did nothing.

 

[McRanger92]

Well Trouba is one example but it could be any of these guys. Like if he truly believed this group wasn’t going to get it done, why did he need 30 games of garbage this season to move some of them?

Instead he sat around did nothing.

If I had to guess, he lost the power struggle with the players in the summer. It's how it looks to me at least. They were mad about Goodrow, mad about Trouba and instead of telling them to suck it up he gave them another chance to get it right. And they didnt. Even when they were 12-4-1 they werent playing well and the goalies were keeping them in games.

A lot of us said after the loss to Florida that they needed major changes. game 6 of the ECF was this team's ceiling. Why that wasnt clear to the players is beyond me but it at least appears it was obvious to Drury. Better late than never.