Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[McRanger92]

Panarin infected Strome too. Strome wasn't a terrible Ranger. He worked well with Panarin and was always a stand-up guy sticking up for teammates on the ice.

Panarin infects everyone into thinking they're superhuman in hockey.

Meh. He was an Islander who never showed up for a big game with us. Rangers couldve traded his ass instead of homegrown Buchnevich and avoided a lot angst.

 

[Kords]

They traded him 11 days before his NMC kicked in

Ahh right, now I remember that whole ordeal

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Would you clarify “nose for the net”?

What's to clarify?

 

[will1066]

Lord give me the strength to get through this shitty work day, hold it together while reading HFNYR threads, and see Drury make a move before AMC shows National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation again.

 

[GAGLine]

Can someone give examples of players with full NMCs. Ones they signed recently not ones on their last year, who waived them to be traded.

Yes NTCs get waived but those are players inclined to move to certain places.

But I’d like to know who in Mika’s situation waived to go somewhere else

It's a while ago, but Rick Nash. He signed an 8-year deal with Columbus beginning in 2010-11, which included an NMC for the first 5 years. Two years later, he waived his NMC for the Rangers.

More recently, Hertl waived his NMC in year 2 of an 8-year contract to go to Vegas.

There are probably more, but other than Nash, which I knew off the top of my head, I only looked at the last 3 years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I'll never understand Gorton & JD getting the big boss to sign off on a full rebuild, only to lock up 20 million in cap space for (at the time) the next 7 years on 2 guys approaching 30 from outside the organization. What were they thinking?

They were thinking they didn't wanna be Buffalo and let the team go to the bottom and get used to being there. Being on a losing team year after year is a drain on confidence and does nothing for keeping players around. Panarin was a smart add they didnt have to use assets for, and Trouba was good too but the stagnant cap made his contract worse than it was. He was brought in to take the pressure off of young d and be a leader, he did all that but now his value to the team is not there and Gorton had the wherewithal to not give him a full move contract, something Drury has handed out too much.

 

[LOFIN]

Ahh right, now I remember that whole ordeal

No-one actually expected a trade, the whole talking point was that will they buy him out before a certain date (which was in June) because before it the buyout would cost 1/3 and not 2/3 of the remaining contract.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The greatest impact this team can have for the least amount of expenditure, at this exact moment, is jettisoning a couple of our big-minute D that don't have trade protection (lindgren, KAM) packaged with some net-positive assets we can live without in exchange for other defensemen that can maybe touch the puck sometimes without shitting their britches

I'm not too attached to most of our forwards (or kids), but I'd like to see us tweak/modernize our backend by giving up some picks and see if that doesn't help with what I think is our biggest personnel problem—transporting the puck up the ice and through the neutral zone.

The oddman rushes, blown coverage and the like are definitely a major concern, but one I largely think is a matter of the players that can and should stay removing their heads from their asses (which could be helped along by removing some stale faces that are among the worst perpetrators)

well said

 

[McRanger92]

They were thinking they didn't wanna be Buffalo and let the team go to the bottom and get used to being there. Being on a losing team year after year is a drain on confidence and does nothing for keeping players around. Panarin was a smart add they didnt have to use assets for, and Trouba was good too but the stagnant cap made his contract worse than it was. He was brought in to take the pressure off of young d and be a leader, he did all that but now his value to the team is not there and Gorton had the wherewithal to not give him a full move contract, something Drury has handed out too much.

The only issue with this logic (which I agree with ) is that they scrapped the plan 18 months later after they drafted Lafreniere and decided they wanted to rebuild again.

 

[Guyute]

Maybe Mika would welcome a move back to Ottawa?

 

[SA16]

It's a while ago, but Rick Nash. He signed an 8-year deal with Columbus beginning in 2010-11, which included an NMC for the first 5 years. Two years later, he waived his NMC for the Rangers.

More recently, Hertl waived his NMC in year 2 of an 8-year contract to go to Vegas.

There are probably more, but other than Nash, which I knew off the top of my head, I only looked at the last 3 years.

While, true, I would not count Rick Nash as it's a completely different situation given he requested a trade out of Columbus.

 

[LOFIN]

Maybe Mika would welcome a move back to Ottawa?

Maybe he and his wife have fond memories of being there, sure. But that team and environment is not really any better than the Rangers at this point. The teams are in a very similar spot mentally, and the fanbases and media are not having it anymore. Sure, New York is New York but Ottawa is also a Canadian market. It's not really any easier.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

What's to clarify?

If you’re stating he drives the net, then no. Othmann is the opposite of that.
If you’re stating that his shot from outside the dots finds the net area, then yes.

 

[bl02]

Maybe Mika would welcome a move back to Ottawa?

these guys don't want out of NY they have it too good here and are treated like kings.
Even Anson Carter said it last night the Rangers organization treats its players like royalty and then he made a chefs kiss. Tells you all you need to know.

 

[effen]

If you’re stating he drives the net, then no. Othmann is the opposite of that.
If you’re stating that his shot from outside the dots finds the net area, then yes.

Othmann is currently a chippier, younger Oliver Wahlstrom.

 

[eco's bones]

If you’re stating he drives the net, then no. Othmann is the opposite of that.
If you’re stating that his shot from outside the dots finds the net area, then yes.

That's kind of my read---Othmann has a great release and can shoot off the pass. He tends to score from the 20'-30' range not the 5' to 10'. The shorter distance is more the smaller Berard. The thing is the very short range is more workable as far as the NHL goes.

My guess is that with time and development....getting bigger and stronger Brennan is going to score goals from both areas. It's hard to say where he is now on any of that as he hasn't played since game 3.

 

[RangerBoy]

Time to blow it up.

All of these teams like Kreider. Should be some good offers coming.

 

[DialUp]

I am drunk at YUL right now about to get on my flight home. So hockey is in the air. At first i was nicely surprised with this team, then reality set in and this bad streak makes all the sense in the world. But ever since Scotch, i now feel they will pull off a nice run, actually make the playoffs and get f***ing wrecked by NJD in round one. Anyway, God bless everyone!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I am drunk at YUL right now about to get on my flight home. So hockey is in the air. At first i was nicely surprised with this team, then reality set in and this bad streak makes all the sense in the world. But ever since Scotch, i now feel they will pull off a nice run, actually make the playoffs and get f***ing wrecked by NJD in round one. Anyway, God bless everyone!

Bottom's up!!!

 

[leetch99]

In todays 32T blog, EF says Rangers and Ottawa have spoken.

Yeah.....they likely have a few times long before the last 3 weeks . He would be a piss poor GM if he had not reached out once the playoffs were over about some guys .

 

[SnowblindNYR]

All of the anger about cutting the rebuild short and people still to this day think that every rebuild is destined for greatness. There is a chance we'd still be looking for our first playoff season or at the very least wouldn't experience 2 out of 3 ECFs and a Presidents' trophy. Rebuilds can be great but rarely actually work. More commonly teams are closer to Buffalo than Chicago. I'll take a winning team for 3 straight years over the mystery box which is almost surely not any better. We got our top picks and they ended up being not the best top picks and not guys that you can win with alone. And yet people STILL bitch about cutting short the rebuild. We only got to witness a guy that's better than 90% of 1st overall picks come here in his 20s. But maybe we could have gotten another Kakko or two.

 

[B17 Apricots]

It's a while ago, but Rick Nash. He signed an 8-year deal with Columbus beginning in 2010-11, which included an NMC for the first 5 years. Two years later, he waived his NMC for the Rangers.

More recently, Hertl waived his NMC in year 2 of an 8-year contract to go to Vegas.

There are probably more, but other than Nash, which I knew off the top of my head, I only looked at the last 3 years.

Was just about to mention Hertl. Like you said, that's off the top of the head. I'm at work so I don't have time right now to do any sort of deep dive. Its rare but it certainly does happen. I also feel it's really unlikely Mika waives, but I have no issue with anyone speculating some sort of trade scenario. That's kinda the point of this thread

 

[Machinehead]

All of the anger about cutting the rebuild short and people still to this day think that every rebuild is destined for greatness. There is a chance we'd still be looking for our first playoff season or at the very least wouldn't experience 2 out of 3 ECFs and a Presidents' trophy. Rebuilds can be great but rarely actually work. More commonly teams are closer to Buffalo than Chicago. I'll take a winning team for 3 straight years over the mystery box which is almost surely not any better. We got our top picks and they ended up being not the best top picks and not guys that you can win with alone. And yet people STILL bitch about cutting short the rebuild. We only got to witness a guy that's better than 90% of 1st overall picks come here in his 20s. But maybe we could have gotten another Kakko or two.

I'll take the mystery box if I feel that the roster we've been locked into has a 0% chance of winning the Cup.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I'll take the mystery box if I feel that the roster we've been locked into has a 0% chance of winning the Cup.

That's exactly it...

 

[DialUp]

All of the anger about cutting the rebuild short and people still to this day think that every rebuild is destined for greatness. There is a chance we'd still be looking for our first playoff season or at the very least wouldn't experience 2 out of 3 ECFs and a Presidents' trophy. Rebuilds can be great but rarely actually work. More commonly teams are closer to Buffalo than Chicago. I'll take a winning team for 3 straight years over the mystery box which is almost surely not any better. We got our top picks and they ended up being not the best top picks and not guys that you can win with alone. And yet people STILL bitch about cutting short the rebuild. We only got to witness a guy that's better than 90% of 1st overall picks come here in his 20s. But maybe we could have gotten another Kakko or two.

You are coming from the right place, and others who are like "cup or bust" maybe right too. It's a good debate. Not sure which one is right. This was never a cup team, though VERY close. I don't know where I would stand overall but I know I liked the hope this era. But the era is over and that is not negotiable