Machinehead
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If we ran this team like we did in the 90's, we'd bring Keith in.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)
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McRanger92
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Machinehead
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I am confused by this as Tampa had Hedman afterwards and Pitt had Crosby and Malkin. Not sure why top 5 picks matter before those guys.
SA16
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Because we are measuring when a team first starts a rebuild and bottoms out? Yes, Pittsburgh won quickly after getting Crosby. How do you know the year you start a rebuild you will get a player of that level? How do you know you will even get the top pick with a lottery? Of course, you cannot start the timeline from when they first got their franchise player.
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Seems like the type of guy who would add more of what we both want to the team, no? Drury has struck out on Eichel and Matthew playing diamond hands.
Jeff Marek had a great line today. "I'd rather have to tame a tiger, than paint stripes on a kitty cat." Makes me think of the Rangers.
Machinehead
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I just pick on Brady because his leadership is a meme and he brings out the worst takes.
We'll be beating Ottawa 5-1 and Brady goes out of position to facewash Trocheck. "That's what we need on this team!"
As a player, he would add a ton of what I want.
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What needs to be added to Igor+ to get Brady+Ullmark? Assuming Igor is willing to sign in Ottawa.
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God i hate this generation.
Chain of command and Union seniority mean nothing unless its to expoloit a crappy selfish pissing contest.
Seriously. Between Bettmans NHL and the new breed of millionaire IDGAF brats who shrivel under any kind of managerial pressure then use their clauses to power pout their bosses out of higher structure. Its no wonder this team is a mess every few years.
Same reason i gave up on baseball, football, and basketball...
At least the NCAA kids tow the line, for now, until the "we desreve a paycheck, our free education isnt enough." bleeds down from the basketball programs.
Rome wasnt built in a day, but it was ruined by democracy awful quickly.
I think people need to step back from the ledge a bit. As long as they can get out of their own way, this isn't a team that's in a dire situation going forward. This is exactly where a lot of people predicted they would end up when they decided to put their foot on the gas and "accelerate the rebuild" or whatever the hell that was. A core group that is lacking and a supporting cast whose development hasn't aligned with the timing of that core groups prime years. Largely due to some asinine draft choices, but it is what it is as this point.
The Rangers don't need to nuke everything. They just need to be patient in moving out this group of aging veterans that's sulking around. Kreider will have value. Trouba will have some value. Panarin will have value as a rental a year from now. Mika is the only piece that's an anchor but even then he can be pushed down the lineup into a role as a 3C / PP specialist. Smith and Lindgren should be guys that get some draft capital as rentals.
However, the hard truth is most of those pieces aren't the type to get you major hauls that will impact the top end of your roster the day after. Even if the team sells on Igor he's probably not returning a ransom because the market for goalies is always soft. So they're going to have to get creative in finding ways to add talent. That might mean taking a chance on some guys who need a change of scenery or are struggling for other reasons.
There are question marks in what they have but it would behoove the team to spend the next year figuring out what they have in guys like Miller, Schneider, Jones, Kakko, Cuylle, Othmann, and Chytil before they start making trades with the intention of targeting certain positions or filling those holes on the open market.
The Rangers don't need to nuke everything. They just need to be patient in moving out this group of aging veterans that's sulking around. Kreider will have value. Trouba will have some value. Panarin will have value as a rental a year from now. Mika is the only piece that's an anchor but even then he can be pushed down the lineup into a role as a 3C / PP specialist. Smith and Lindgren should be guys that get some draft capital as rentals.
However, the hard truth is most of those pieces aren't the type to get you major hauls that will impact the top end of your roster the day after. Even if the team sells on Igor he's probably not returning a ransom because the market for goalies is always soft. So they're going to have to get creative in finding ways to add talent. That might mean taking a chance on some guys who need a change of scenery or are struggling for other reasons.
There are question marks in what they have but it would behoove the team to spend the next year figuring out what they have in guys like Miller, Schneider, Jones, Kakko, Cuylle, Othmann, and Chytil before they start making trades with the intention of targeting certain positions or filling those holes on the open market.
I’m hopeful. At the end of last season I watched Othmann drive to the net three times, which was three times more than he had previously.
He’s young and his comments about his willingness to grow as a player are encouraging.
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He seems like he wants to get paid, does it really matter to him where? If he wanted to be here he wouldnt be holding firm on $12-13mil when he knows the team isnt good enough in fornt of him.
Ill suggest another one. How about Colorado? They will never get back to the finals with Fourgiev. Rantanen is unsigned. He also wants to get paid. I read that he wants to lead his own team, and Colorado doesnt want to pay him 14+ AAv. I sure as shit would if i was the Rangers, and didnt have to pay a goalie 13 mil, just to cap our ceiling at the ECF (6 games, to be specific). The team needs another superstar forward who is an alpha in the room.
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I want a Tkachuk as much as the next guy, but how the f*** does 95 Offense and 31 Defense lead to 92 Overall? Does defense just not matter?
If Shesty doesn't sign by the deadline you have to trade him or you end up like the Isles and Tavares.
I would try San Jose for Askarov and Smith. I would include Chytil if I had to
I would try San Jose for Askarov and Smith. I would include Chytil if I had to
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Rantanen is good but he's not $14m good. The Avs are doing a smart thing there.
An Igor trade is tough to put together. Like four teams need a goalie and I can't think of a realistic return I'd be happy with from any of them.
Except, like you said, Ottawa, but nobody is signing in Ottawa.
Short answer: no.
When you score 15 standard deviations above the mean, defense doesn't matter.
CK does bring back the most in a trade of the core not counting Panarin. Kreider is also one of the few that gets him game suited to playoff style in the playoffs and scores goals. Tough decisions but Kreider would be the last player traded from the core and or if a team overpays for him
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Rantanen is definitely worth 14+ with the cap rising. Maybe he takes less on the AAV iif you give him an 8th year.
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Yeah, that's not happening. Adding Chytil doesn't help due to his injury history.
SJ just traded for Askarov. He is their goalie of the future and will be a hell of a lot cheaper. Smith is starting to put up points for them. There's no chance they are trading either one for Igor.
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You gotta admit it is funny that Tkachuks chart is everything you praise but you still hate him cause "vibes".
Machinehead
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I've never said he's not a good player.
It's easy to say when he's been the third best player on his team their entire window.
He might think he's the guy but I'm not betting a $14m AAV on it.
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Yes, Hertl had a full NMC at the time.
Just because something hasn't happened before, or hasn't happened frequently, doesn't mean it can't happen. All Mika has to do is express a desire to play elsewhere and the NMC becomes less of an issue.
Hertl's decision to waive his NMC, or Sundin's decision not to when the Leafs tried to trade him, have absolutely nothing to do with Mika's decision. The purpose of the NMC is to give the player full control of where he plays. If he wants to leave, he will. It's really that simple.
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